NHL · resolved market
Jets vs. Stars: O/U 5.5
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Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Overof Over, Under
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- NHLevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $45,234
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $45,454
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $45,234 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 82 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NHL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in NHL | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x1d1a…0df6backed Under | 51c | 10,000$5,100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$5,099.99 | 32 | 62.5%20 W · 12 L | +3.4wins | +0.11per pick | 52cpaid | +23.9%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xd7a5…7c26backed Over | 49c | 9,850$4,827 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5,023.5 | 43 | 65.1%28 W · 15 L | +3.9wins | +0.09per pick | 56cpaid | +17.9%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x4488…e319backed Under | 49c | 5,000$2,450 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,449.99 | 272 | 43.4%118 W · 154 L | -16.8wins | -0.06per pick | 50cpaid | -11.2%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xee61…debfbacked Under | 52c | 4,676$2,428 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,428.37 | 2,894 | 51.3%1,484 W · 1,410 L | +58.0wins | +0.02per pick | 49cpaid | +4.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x01c7…e995backed Over | 50c | 4,026$2,023 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2,003.17 | 1,092 | 50.4%550 W · 542 L | +12.7wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | +1.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbfdf…8e02backed Over | 48c | 4,000$1,920 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2,080 | 348 | 45.4%158 W · 190 L | -3.9wins | -0.01per pick | 47cpaid | +1.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1455…e5cdbacked Under | 51c | 3,952$2,016 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,016.2 | 793 | 50.1%397 W · 396 L | -11.5wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -3.2%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x33dd…ef8abacked Under | 49c | 3,409$1,670 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,670.35 | 48 | 41.7%20 W · 28 L | -3.3wins | -0.07per pick | 49cpaid | -22.7%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x3fcd…355abacked Over | 48c | 2,970$1,426 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,544.4 | 2 | 100%2 W · 0 L | +1.0wins | +0.49per pick | 51cpaid | +96.8%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xaa07…2125backed Under | 50c | 2,821$1,410 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,410.35 | 1,070 | 49.9%534 W · 536 L | +22.6wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb552…94a8backed Under | 50c | 2,817$1,417 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,416.67 | 619 | 53.8%333 W · 286 L | +13.2wins | +0.02per pick | 52cpaid | +4.7%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xc94a…9401backed Over | 50c | 2,592$1,296 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,295.89 | 145 | 53.1%77 W · 68 L | +1.0wins | +0.01per pick | 52cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xecfc…cd05backed Over | 51c | 2,346$1,196 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,149.54 | 868 | 52.4%455 W · 413 L | +7.0wins | +0.01per pick | 52cpaid | +2.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xef23…5b60backed Over | 51c | 2,183$1,114 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,069.85 | 642 | 42.2%271 W · 371 L | -6.1wins | -0.01per pick | 43cpaid | -4.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x360b…982fbacked Under | 52c | 1,531$796 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$795.98 | 21 | 47.6%10 W · 11 L | -1.4wins | -0.07per pick | 55cpaid | -17.3%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x2005…75eabacked Over | 47c | 1,517$713 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$803.98 | 2,112 | 42.9%907 W · 1,205 L | -10.1wins | 0.00per pick | 43cpaid | -9.5%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0xa965…3565backed Over | 48c | 1,500$725 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$775 | 326 | 50%163 W · 163 L | +0.4wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | -1.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5375…aeeabacked Over | 68c | 1,471$1,005 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$466.14 | 588 | 41.8%246 W · 342 L | -20.6wins | -0.04per pick | 45cpaid | -16.3%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe60a…6a47backed Over | 50c | 1,063$527 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$535.99 | 1,948 | 49.4%962 W · 986 L | +24.9wins | +0.01per pick | 48cpaid | +2.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdaef…54e9backed Under | 50c | 1,000$500 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$500 | 111 | 53.2%59 W · 52 L | +3.0wins | +0.03per pick | 50cpaid | +5.1%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe401…7b88backed Under | 45c | 918.76$411 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$411.47 | 3,704 | 50.5%1,871 W · 1,833 L | +105.5wins | +0.03per pick | 48cpaid | -4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5487…a014backed Over | 49c | 777$381 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$396.27 | 849 | 53.8%457 W · 392 L | +20.9wins | +0.02per pick | 51cpaid | +5%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xdbb9…ed8dbacked Over | 48c | 688.28$332 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$356.65 | 1,230 | 53.7%661 W · 569 L | -9.1wins | -0.01per pick | 54cpaid | -2.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6036…d2ccbacked Under | 50c | 600$300 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$300 | 470 | 51.5%242 W · 228 L | +12.7wins | +0.03per pick | 49cpaid | +6.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa632…4c96backed Over | 51c | 490.2$250 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$240.2 | 29 | 44.8%13 W · 16 L | -1.6wins | -0.05per pick | 50cpaid | -8.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xc5b5…7e80backed Over | 52c | 431.21$226 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$205.26 | 1,107 | 52%576 W · 531 L | +63.9wins | +0.06per pick | 46cpaid | +7.4%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xdfc1…818dbacked Over | 51c | 311$159 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$152.39 | 303 | 49.5%150 W · 153 L | -13.2wins | -0.04per pick | 54cpaid | -9.3%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xa924…b1b9backed Under | 58c | 294.49$170 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$170 | 337 | 35%118 W · 219 L | +10.5wins | +0.03per pick | 32cpaid | +6.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5b20…99e9backed Over | 51c | 294.12$150 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$144.12 | 1,093 | 51.8%566 W · 527 L | +14.2wins | +0.01per pick | 50cpaid | +3.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x849f…0665backed Under | 52c | 249.99$130 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$129.99 | 196 | 51.5%101 W · 95 L | -0.6wins | 0.00per pick | 52cpaid | -0.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6008…a80bbacked Over | 51c | 235.29$120 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$115.29 | 786 | 51.8%407 W · 379 L | -16.6wins | -0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -4.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb6ae…4df8backed Under | 51c | 221$113 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$112.71 | 367 | 48%176 W · 191 L | -12.6wins | -0.03per pick | 51cpaid | -6.9%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8c58…e330backed Over | 59c | 220$130 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$90.2 | 422 | 54.3%229 W · 193 L | +18.3wins | +0.04per pick | 50cpaid | +5.4%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe88b…fa5abacked Under | 41c | 220$90 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$90.2 | 93 | 50.5%47 W · 46 L | +0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | +2.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x44f0…432cbacked Over | 49c | 218.29$107 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$111.33 | 125 | 48.8%61 W · 64 L | -2.5wins | -0.02per pick | 51cpaid | -7.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6814…a9e7backed Over | 52c | 200.8$105 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$96.06 | 2,754 | 47.9%1,318 W · 1,436 L | +11.9wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x34fa…f491backed Over | 51c | 200$102 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$98 | 599 | 50.4%302 W · 297 L | +20.0wins | +0.03per pick | 47cpaid | +7.6%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8c16…4b37backed Under | 64c | 181.92$116 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$116.43 | 218 | 56.4%123 W · 95 L | +10.1wins | +0.05per pick | 52cpaid | +9.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xed5e…8da1backed Over | 51c | 156.86$80 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$76.86 | 7 | 57.1%4 W · 3 L | 0.0wins | +0.01per pick | 57cpaid | +4.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x7d59…e0edbacked Over | 65c | 154$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$54 | 39 | 61.5%24 W · 15 L | +3.8wins | +0.10per pick | 52cpaid | +15.3%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x0f8e…3082backed Over | 49c | 124$61 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$63.24 | 1,140 | 51.5%587 W · 553 L | +40.1wins | +0.04per pick | 48cpaid | +4.4%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x94d8…8835backed Over | 60c | 103.83$62 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$41.83 | 34 | 67.6%23 W · 11 L | +3.4wins | +0.10per pick | 58cpaid | +12%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x3fbc…9cf6backed Over | 49c | 100$49 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$51 | 304 | 47.4%144 W · 160 L | -6.6wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -3.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x507e…beaebacked Under | 48c | 92.26$44 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.86 | 2,664 | 51.6%1,375 W · 1,289 L | +58.0wins | +0.02per pick | 49cpaid | +2.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb38c…b2c9backed Over | 51c | 92$47 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$45.08 | 108 | 58.3%63 W · 45 L | +6.3wins | +0.06per pick | 53cpaid | +12.6%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xfa49…949ebacked Under | 49c | 89$44 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.61 | 24 | 66.7%16 W · 8 L | +2.8wins | +0.12per pick | 55cpaid | +26%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x3ed4…620ebacked Under | 51c | 84.5$43 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.34 | 91 | 49.5%45 W · 46 L | -3.5wins | -0.04per pick | 53cpaid | -6.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9dd9…08bdbacked Under | 74c | 81$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$60 | 1,054 | 42.5%448 W · 606 L | -25.3wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -17.3%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb0fd…e1f5backed Under | 51c | 70$36 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35.7 | 50 | 52%26 W · 24 L | +0.3wins | +0.01per pick | 51cpaid | +5.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x4a86…d3e0backed Over | 48c | 69.41$33 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.09 | 916 | 53.9%494 W · 422 L | +39.6wins | +0.04per pick | 50cpaid | +8.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xd6a3…9489backed Under | 37c | 69.37$26 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$25.7 | 629 | 51.2%322 W · 307 L | +18.5wins | +0.03per pick | 48cpaid | +1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1c83…6f40backed Over | 74c | 68$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.68 | 191 | 41.9%80 W · 111 L | -9.7wins | -0.05per pick | 47cpaid | -13.5%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x216b…fe46backed Over | 26c | 66$17 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$48.9 | 111 | 53.2%59 W · 52 L | +5.7wins | +0.05per pick | 48cpaid | +6.6%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x785f…e3d9backed Under | 52c | 64.36$33 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33.47 | 262 | 43.5%114 W · 148 L | -9.2wins | -0.04per pick | 47cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xde04…fa37backed Under | 42c | 63$26 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26.46 | 2,314 | 46.5%1,075 W · 1,239 L | -7.5wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -5.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xba87…bc76backed Under | 50c | 60$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30 | 25 | 64%16 W · 9 L | +3.2wins | +0.13per pick | 51cpaid | +24.3%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x5f19…ec51backed Over | 60c | 60$36 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24 | 69 | 46.4%32 W · 37 L | -2.6wins | -0.04per pick | 50cpaid | -12.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1b44…d8debacked Over | 69c | 59$41 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.22 | 295 | 53.6%158 W · 137 L | +13.9wins | +0.05per pick | 49cpaid | +3%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe624…2928backed Over | 50c | 56.13$28 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$28.07 | 226 | 55.3%125 W · 101 L | +17.7wins | +0.08per pick | 47cpaid | +15.5%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xa6a8…5009backed Over | 57c | 50.69$29 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.72 | 1,406 | 47%661 W · 745 L | +58.6wins | +0.04per pick | 43cpaid | -0.8%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xd6ce…7ec8backed Under | 49c | 50$25 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$24.5 | 623 | 46.9%292 W · 331 L | -3.1wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -2.2%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x9bd4…35b5backed Under | 20c | 50$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10 | 4 | 0%0 W · 4 L | -0.5wins | -0.14per pick | 14cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x726b…c72bbacked Under | 50c | 45.14$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$22.57 | 16 | 31.3%5 W · 11 L | -2.7wins | -0.17per pick | 48cpaid | -44.6%equal weight | 43-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xb1cb…fb77backed Over | 51c | 43.52$22 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.32 | 60 | 40%24 W · 36 L | -8.6wins | -0.14per pick | 54cpaid | -27.3%equal weight | 39-0.10 edge/pick |
| 0x0c69…2b8dbacked Under | 51c | 42.39$22 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21.74 | 385 | 51.4%198 W · 187 L | -5.5wins | -0.01per pick | 53cpaid | -1.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x4c94…1b47backed Over | 51c | 41.18$21 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20.18 | 9 | 44.4%4 W · 5 L | -0.9wins | -0.10per pick | 54cpaid | -21.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9061…9510backed Under | 49c | 41$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.09 | 43 | 51.2%22 W · 21 L | -1.0wins | -0.02per pick | 53cpaid | +7.7%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xda75…bbf9backed Under | 50c | 40$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 206 | 55.3%114 W · 92 L | +1.5wins | +0.01per pick | 55cpaid | +2.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x10b9…0a9bbacked Under | 46c | 40$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$18.4 | 4 | 25%1 W · 3 L | -0.9wins | -0.21per pick | 46cpaid | -30.6%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5cfe…ed69backed Over | 50c | 40$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20 | 418 | 47.8%200 W · 218 L | +11.3wins | +0.03per pick | 45cpaid | +5.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5a14…8610backed Over | 51c | 38$19 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.62 | 25 | 72%18 W · 7 L | +4.5wins | +0.18per pick | 54cpaid | +35%equal weight | 60+0.09 edge/pick |
| 0x7b0f…e949backed Over | 49c | 34.86$17 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.93 | 41 | 58.5%24 W · 17 L | +1.5wins | +0.04per pick | 55cpaid | +3.8%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xc7f7…06c5backed Over | 54c | 32.2$17 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.81 | 68 | 42.6%29 W · 39 L | -1.2wins | -0.02per pick | 44cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9487…54bbbacked Over | 47c | 31.9$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$16.91 | 89 | 50.6%45 W · 44 L | -0.5wins | -0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -1.1%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0xa597…7e14backed Under | 67c | 30$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.1 | 12 | 58.3%7 W · 5 L | -2.1wins | -0.17per pick | 76cpaid | -22.7%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xceee…9051backed Over | 51c | 29.41$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.41 | 8 | 62.5%5 W · 3 L | +0.6wins | +0.08per pick | 55cpaid | +11.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x3494…04f4backed Under | 51c | 29.41$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 94 | 58.5%55 W · 39 L | +5.6wins | +0.06per pick | 53cpaid | +9.9%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x200f…7a96backed Over | 51c | 28$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$13.72 | 860 | 49.2%423 W · 437 L | +1.9wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +0.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x859d…3cecbacked Over | 48c | 24.28$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$12.63 | 107 | 45.8%49 W · 58 L | +0.4wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | +1.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x7219…fcf7backed Over | 51c | 23$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.27 | 24 | 58.3%14 W · 10 L | +1.4wins | +0.06per pick | 52cpaid | +18.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x3dcf…4eb4backed Over | 50c | 20.08$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.04 | 167 | 56.3%94 W · 73 L | +9.4wins | +0.06per pick | 51cpaid | +12.4%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x778e…ccd1backed Over | 50c | 20$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10 | 219 | 51.6%113 W · 106 L | -8.4wins | -0.04per pick | 55cpaid | -5.8%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NHL and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Jets vs. Stars: O/U 5.5this page
- Jets vs. StarsStars won
- Jets vs. Stars: O/U 6.5Over won
- Spread: Stars (-1.5)Jets won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.