Lol · resolved market
LoL: Hanwha Life Esports vs DN SOOPers - Game 1 Winner
https://tailmypicks.com/m/0x83f8b543bdc0f678705fc742c46c05d9a0e0ec6c9162b64b6cc47afb0094a22f
Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Hanwha Life Esportsof Hanwha Life Esports, DN SOOPers
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Lolevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $316,783
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $377,089
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $316,783 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 76 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Lol is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Lol | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x32cc…68b3backed DN SOOPers | 15c | 103,630$15,706 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15,705.64 | 184 | 47.8%88 W · 96 L | +7.4wins | +0.04per pick | 44cpaid | +15.3%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xea2b…1fc6backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 13,485$2,158 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,157.63 | 142 | 47.2%67 W · 75 L | -0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -0.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xcd5a…63f9backed DN SOOPers | 15c | 11,721$1,775 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,775.3 | 39 | 35.9%14 W · 25 L | -1.3wins | -0.03per pick | 39cpaid | -9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9770…0ff5backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 11,000$1,760 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,760 | 594 | 50.2%298 W · 296 L | +6.9wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | +3.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9a4c…1f30backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 10,330$1,653 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,652.8 | 163 | 56.4%92 W · 71 L | +10.6wins | +0.07per pick | 50cpaid | +10.4%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xb4c8…cf96backed DN SOOPers | 2c | 9,710$198 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$198.34 | 73 | 41.1%30 W · 43 L | +6.7wins | +0.09per pick | 32cpaid | -15.7%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x52ec…a6f3backed DN SOOPers | 9c | 9,545$829 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$829.26 | 811 | 43.5%353 W · 458 L | +30.0wins | +0.04per pick | 40cpaid | -7%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xafe8…5f44backed DN SOOPers | 0c | 8,313$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.44 | 53 | 5.7%3 W · 50 L | -0.8wins | -0.01per pick | 7cpaid | -82.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3445…d229backed DN SOOPers | 2c | 4,400$72 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$72 | 583 | 3.6%21 W · 562 L | +4.2wins | +0.01per pick | 3cpaid | +178.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2586…f071backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 3,921$407 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$407.32 | 259 | 52.9%137 W · 122 L | +10.2wins | +0.04per pick | 49cpaid | -15.4%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xee7c…70f2backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 2,000$219 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$218.82 | 485 | 33.6%163 W · 322 L | +23.8wins | +0.05per pick | 29cpaid | +4.4%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x000e…f7e9backed DN SOOPers | 8c | 2,000$160 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$160 | 899 | 43.4%390 W · 509 L | +22.3wins | +0.02per pick | 41cpaid | +6.6%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x1341…0853backed DN SOOPers | 15c | 1,868$273 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$272.66 | 1,827 | 45.6%834 W · 993 L | +26.1wins | +0.01per pick | 44cpaid | +3.3%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2a8c…fd3dbacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 1,719$275 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$275 | 756 | 30%227 W · 529 L | -21.4wins | -0.03per pick | 33cpaid | -15.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x52b7…0aa1backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 1,500$245 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$244.99 | 1,468 | 28.9%424 W · 1,044 L | +23.5wins | +0.02per pick | 27cpaid | +3.9%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe361…ae44backed DN SOOPers | 6c | 1,490$89 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$89.39 | 893 | 47%420 W · 473 L | +44.2wins | +0.05per pick | 42cpaid | -7.5%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x82dc…5700backed DN SOOPers | 9c | 1,256$113 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$113.04 | 761 | 42%320 W · 441 L | -23.5wins | -0.03per pick | 45cpaid | -22.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xfd14…2267backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 1,250$125 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$125 | 2,362 | 32%755 W · 1,607 L | +42.0wins | +0.02per pick | 30cpaid | +3.6%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x16ce…eba1backed DN SOOPers | 4c | 1,050$47 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$46.7 | 1,517 | 3.3%50 W · 1,467 L | -53.9wins | -0.04per pick | 7cpaid | -74.7%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xdbdd…a5debacked DN SOOPers | 11c | 1,015$110 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$109.92 | 2,825 | 41.4%1,169 W · 1,656 L | -14.1wins | 0.00per pick | 42cpaid | -4.1%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x568b…5573backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 999.99$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 39 | 25.6%10 W · 29 L | -2.1wins | -0.05per pick | 31cpaid | -18.5%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8725…eb10backed DN SOOPers | 5c | 863.97$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40.2 | 2,226 | 37.5%834 W · 1,392 L | -29.3wins | -0.01per pick | 39cpaid | -9.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa5cf…8cc5backed DN SOOPers | 9c | 850.85$79 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$78.57 | 1,180 | 44.5%525 W · 655 L | -10.4wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd4f9…f4adbacked DN SOOPers | 12c | 813.97$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 103 | 51.5%53 W · 50 L | +1.8wins | +0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -5.4%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xb6ce…7a7dbacked DN SOOPers | 9c | 748.45$67 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$67.36 | 950 | 41.6%395 W · 555 L | -32.0wins | -0.03per pick | 45cpaid | -23.1%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xbfd7…f0bfbacked DN SOOPers | 7c | 715.38$51 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$51.17 | 2,341 | 40.3%943 W · 1,398 L | -61.8wins | -0.03per pick | 43cpaid | -11.5%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe843…0699backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 548$59 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$59.17 | 156 | 32.7%51 W · 105 L | +5.4wins | +0.03per pick | 29cpaid | +19.4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8001…c76fbacked DN SOOPers | 17c | 546$93 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$92.82 | 29 | 55.2%16 W · 13 L | +3.4wins | +0.12per pick | 44cpaid | +34.9%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x59aa…3376backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 506.25$81 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$81 | 1,131 | 43.1%487 W · 644 L | +0.9wins | 0.00per pick | 43cpaid | +1.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x67be…6e09backed DN SOOPers | 13c | 500$67 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$67 | 941 | 44.6%420 W · 521 L | -2.4wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6dd9…bfe8backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 499.99$85 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$85 | 644 | 53.9%347 W · 297 L | +16.3wins | +0.03per pick | 51cpaid | +9.1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x024c…5fa1backed DN SOOPers | 14c | 499.99$70 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$70 | 1,208 | 35.8%432 W · 776 L | +6.8wins | +0.01per pick | 35cpaid | +5.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe1e7…8a71backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 494.36$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 479 | 33.6%161 W · 318 L | -10.7wins | -0.02per pick | 36cpaid | -7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf971…0a57backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 490.97$52 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$52.38 | 181 | 39.2%71 W · 110 L | +5.9wins | +0.03per pick | 36cpaid | +5.7%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1a4d…7a8fbacked DN SOOPers | 11c | 490.81$53 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$53.26 | 7 | 42.9%3 W · 4 L | +0.3wins | +0.04per pick | 39cpaid | -20.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xb8e8…ef2bbacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 482.35$75 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$75 | 645 | 56.6%365 W · 280 L | +19.3wins | +0.03per pick | 54cpaid | +2.5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xf63d…dd42backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 475$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 26 | 38.5%10 W · 16 L | +1.5wins | +0.06per pick | 33cpaid | +3.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1b50…ea47backed DN SOOPers | 15c | 470$69 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$69.2 | 1,294 | 26.6%344 W · 950 L | +65.3wins | +0.05per pick | 22cpaid | +17.6%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xca7c…e994backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 433.1$43 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.31 | 1,385 | 45.1%625 W · 760 L | -12.5wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -0.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x72be…c534backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 411.76$70 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$70 | 1,114 | 35%390 W · 724 L | +14.3wins | +0.01per pick | 34cpaid | +2.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xc177…7fbbbacked DN SOOPers | 9c | 400$34 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$34 | 164 | 29.9%49 W · 115 L | +6.8wins | +0.04per pick | 26cpaid | +16.2%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xc6fa…51e5backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 378$64 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$64.26 | 130 | 54.6%71 W · 59 L | +9.7wins | +0.07per pick | 47cpaid | +17.5%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x1a9c…535ebacked DN SOOPers | 15c | 363.92$54 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$53.67 | 35 | 14.3%5 W · 30 L | -6.7wins | -0.19per pick | 33cpaid | -63.7%equal weight | 38-0.11 edge/pick |
| 0xb8d0…f87ebacked DN SOOPers | 6c | 333.32$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 399 | 40.4%161 W · 238 L | +15.4wins | +0.04per pick | 36cpaid | +7.4%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x00f8…2c23backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 329.88$56 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$55.88 | 388 | 35.3%137 W · 251 L | -5.7wins | -0.01per pick | 37cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xf46d…04f6backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 312.5$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 154 | 43.5%67 W · 87 L | -9.4wins | -0.06per pick | 50cpaid | -20.6%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x9d29…8e90backed DN SOOPers | 15c | 299.98$45 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$45 | 195 | 59%115 W · 80 L | -3.6wins | -0.02per pick | 61cpaid | -4.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x4c22…0c2cbacked DN SOOPers | 17c | 281.32$47 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$47.2 | 47 | 55.3%26 W · 21 L | +4.9wins | +0.10per pick | 45cpaid | +14.7%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x0a9b…59eabacked DN SOOPers | 11c | 273.94$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30 | 19 | 52.6%10 W · 9 L | +1.0wins | +0.05per pick | 47cpaid | -14.6%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xfc8f…3782backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 260.9$42 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$41.63 | 1,310 | 37.3%489 W · 821 L | -86.3wins | -0.07per pick | 44cpaid | -26.4%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x7cba…3ec4backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 250$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40 | 1,545 | 43.7%675 W · 870 L | -18.6wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -3.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xf095…58c6backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 235.29$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40 | 320 | 50%160 W · 160 L | +8.6wins | +0.03per pick | 47cpaid | +1.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5124…4500backed DN SOOPers | 18c | 228.21$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40 | 127 | 27.6%35 W · 92 L | -2.4wins | -0.02per pick | 29cpaid | -7.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5668…eababacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 206.25$33 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33 | 67 | 40.3%27 W · 40 L | +0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 40cpaid | -17.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd41b…f231backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 200$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$32 | 304 | 40.1%122 W · 182 L | -8.4wins | -0.03per pick | 43cpaid | -7.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x34f2…3bc2backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 200$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$32 | 530 | 47.5%252 W · 278 L | +14.4wins | +0.03per pick | 45cpaid | +7.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xfc04…f726backed DN SOOPers | 14c | 170$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$23.2 | 757 | 38.6%292 W · 465 L | +7.9wins | +0.01per pick | 38cpaid | -3.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xcf4c…21babacked DN SOOPers | 17c | 152.94$26 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26 | 36 | 47.2%17 W · 19 L | +1.3wins | +0.04per pick | 44cpaid | +10%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x1de2…bdd7backed DN SOOPers | 10c | 150.5$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 134 | 21.6%29 W · 105 L | -10.9wins | -0.08per pick | 30cpaid | -22.7%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x94f1…b9e7backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 150$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.5 | 580 | 46.9%272 W · 308 L | -2.2wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | +2.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb27b…5d6ebacked DN SOOPers | 9c | 139.39$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12 | 390 | 48.2%188 W · 202 L | +26.2wins | +0.07per pick | 41cpaid | +16.9%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x904e…0becbacked DN SOOPers | 9c | 136.41$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.22 | 1,922 | 42.2%811 W · 1,111 L | -45.6wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -22.3%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x3a61…bbb2backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 125$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 321 | 42.1%135 W · 186 L | +9.8wins | +0.03per pick | 39cpaid | 0%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xbe45…bb3bbacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 125$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 40 | 35%14 W · 26 L | -3.1wins | -0.08per pick | 43cpaid | -29.3%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xc4db…7e0cbacked DN SOOPers | 13c | 121$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15.73 | 1,368 | 37.7%516 W · 852 L | -6.8wins | 0.00per pick | 38cpaid | -4%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x3534…a1b3backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 119$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.23 | 59 | 47.5%28 W · 31 L | +1.2wins | +0.02per pick | 45cpaid | +1%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x596a…7a0fbacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 115.23$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$18.22 | 1,241 | 34.7%431 W · 810 L | -2.0wins | 0.00per pick | 35cpaid | -5.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x1f8b…a0cabacked DN SOOPers | 15c | 100$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 398 | 32.7%130 W · 268 L | -14.0wins | -0.04per pick | 36cpaid | -11.4%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xf9ef…20ebbacked DN SOOPers | 11c | 100$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11 | 166 | 34.9%58 W · 108 L | -19.4wins | -0.12per pick | 47cpaid | -32.6%equal weight | 39-0.10 edge/pick |
| 0xce68…f6b8backed DN SOOPers | 13c | 100$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13 | 223 | 24.7%55 W · 168 L | -0.6wins | 0.00per pick | 25cpaid | -32.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xdb83…1e50backed DN SOOPers | 11c | 99.64$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.71 | 1,207 | 43.5%525 W · 682 L | -14.0wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -11%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7171…697abacked DN SOOPers | 16c | 93.75$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 165 | 47.9%79 W · 86 L | +4.4wins | +0.03per pick | 45cpaid | -1.7%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5304…4665backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 70$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.9 | 61 | 54.1%33 W · 28 L | +3.5wins | +0.06per pick | 48cpaid | +0.5%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x8487…60d6backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 68.17$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.71 | 9 | 0%0 W · 9 L | -1.4wins | -0.15per pick | 15cpaid | -100%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x5f43…3a74backed DN SOOPers | 17c | 65$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.05 | 584 | 37.2%217 W · 367 L | -7.9wins | -0.01per pick | 39cpaid | -7.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xf1ad…6979backed DN SOOPers | 16c | 64.78$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.19 | 861 | 44.1%380 W · 481 L | -10.6wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -4.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Lol and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 9 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- LoL: Hanwha Life Esports vs DN SOOPers - Game 1 Winnerthis page
- Game Handicap: HLE (-1.5) vs DN SOOPers (+1.5)Hanwha Life Esports won
- Games Total: O/U 2.5Under won
- LoL: Hanwha Life Esports vs DN SOOPers (BO3) - LCK Rounds 1-2Hanwha Life Esports won
- LoL: Hanwha Life Esports vs DN SOOPers - Game 2 WinnerHanwha Life Esports won
- Total Kills Over/Under 26.5 in Game 1?Over won
- Total Kills Over/Under 27.5 in Game 2?Over won
- Total Kills Over/Under 28.5 in Game 2?Over won
- Total Kills Over/Under 29.5 in Game 2?Over won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.