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Dota2 · resolved market

Game Handicap: VSN (-1.5) vs Team Yandex (+1.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Yandexof TEAM VISION, Team Yandex
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$137,190
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$165,626

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $137,190 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 164 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x07b1…6dfcbacked Team Yandex52c30,000$15,600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$14,399.993148.4%15 W · 16 L+2.0wins+0.06per pick42cpaid+9.7%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x99e4…e4c4backed TEAM VISION48c28,280$13,573 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13,573.3411547%54 W · 61 L-4.2wins-0.04per pick51cpaid-9.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4049…aeaabacked TEAM VISION47c21,467$10,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,0001631.3%5 W · 11 L-0.3wins-0.02per pick33cpaid-33.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa103…1c14backed Team Yandex58c14,979$8,678 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,300.917548%36 W · 39 L+3.0wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8c0b…7aa5backed Team Yandex55c10,300$5,697 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,60345139.2%177 W · 274 L+0.9wins0.00per pick39cpaid-7.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3170…c6a0backed Team Yandex54c10,000$5,400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,599.992045%9 W · 11 L+0.6wins+0.03per pick42cpaid-15.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6304…e570backed Team Yandex59c5,925$3,492 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,432.9327645.3%125 W · 151 L-8.2wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-10.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Team Yandex54c4,775$2,578 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,196.3760542.6%258 W · 347 L-14.6wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-7.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xc69b…2076backed TEAM VISION43c4,656$1,986 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,986.0718844.7%84 W · 104 L-5.2wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-21.4%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x6b55…39aabacked TEAM VISION46c4,330$1,992 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,991.6410%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf2a5…55d6backed Team Yandex52c3,140$1,633 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,507.062045%9 W · 11 L-1.5wins-0.07per pick52cpaid-12.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xe16d…5e30backed TEAM VISION40c2,500$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,0001,21057.1%691 W · 519 L+44.5wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+4.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe46d…7e4dbacked TEAM VISION46c2,433$1,119 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,119.167055.7%39 W · 31 L+3.8wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+8.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x7ede…8d79backed TEAM VISION42c2,400$1,008 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,00820%0 W · 2 L-0.9wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x076d…8d4cbacked Team Yandex57c2,397$1,367 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,030.8832548.9%159 W · 166 L-7.5wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc8d1…9160backed TEAM VISION42c2,312$971 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$970.9210%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.42per pick42cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x64f4…b38ebacked TEAM VISION42c1,905$800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8009340.9%38 W · 55 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick40cpaid+3.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa557…6e77backed TEAM VISION46c1,880$865 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$864.89850%49 W · 49 L-0.9wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-7.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed Team Yandex62c1,705$1,055 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$649.3371143%306 W · 405 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-14.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x363c…9b0ebacked TEAM VISION48c1,412$672 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$671.9712148.8%59 W · 62 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick47cpaid+2.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x37e9…eedebacked TEAM VISION42c1,200$504 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50410045%45 W · 55 L+0.2wins0.00per pick45cpaid-2.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3fad…ccb4backed TEAM VISION42c1,177$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50020%0 W · 2 L-1.1wins-0.55per pick55cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x6c64…89babacked TEAM VISION36c1,111$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$399.8118745.5%85 W · 102 L-4.3wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-14.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3ba0…e623backed TEAM VISION46c1,090$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50010%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf07b…def2backed TEAM VISION44c1,011$445 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$444.828247.6%39 W · 43 L+0.1wins0.00per pick47cpaid+5.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x40db…ca8cbacked Team Yandex56c1,005$563 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$442.3854058.9%318 W · 222 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick56cpaid+0.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe2cd…3897backed Team Yandex54c944.09$508 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$436.491442.9%6 W · 8 L-0.6wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-6.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8935…7daabacked Team Yandex63c942$589 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$353.171,15447.7%550 W · 604 L-12.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-12.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa048…f2b5backed TEAM VISION46c907.67$417 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$416.931752.9%9 W · 8 L-0.8wins-0.05per pick58cpaid-16.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1c81…5518backed TEAM VISION32c848.26$270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$270.365437%20 W · 34 L-7.1wins-0.13per pick50cpaid-29.1%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x3b5f…7b99backed TEAM VISION45c829.93$373 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$373.475630.4%17 W · 39 L-6.6wins-0.12per pick42cpaid-30.4%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x9048…d351backed TEAM VISION46c760.87$350 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3509640.6%39 W · 57 L-7.5wins-0.08per pick48cpaid-20.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x4f87…f04ebacked TEAM VISION68c749.38$510 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$509.5811250.9%57 W · 55 L-3.2wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-13%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7f4d…1d66backed TEAM VISION40c716.76$290 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$289.7410%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.40per pick40cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x130f…bfa0backed TEAM VISION46c708.93$326 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$326.111241.7%5 W · 7 L-0.4wins-0.03per pick45cpaid-20.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9c2b…9b9ebacked Team Yandex56c700$392 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3083100%3 W · 0 L+1.1wins+0.37per pick63cpaid+60.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x39c9…7debbacked TEAM VISION48c628.92$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3004434.1%15 W · 29 L-4.8wins-0.11per pick45cpaid-25.7%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xca67…c864backed Team Yandex53c600$315 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2856240.3%25 W · 37 L+4.0wins+0.06per pick34cpaid+33.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x99e6…59dbbacked TEAM VISION38c579.61$220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$220.151926.3%5 W · 14 L-3.5wins-0.18per pick45cpaid-45.3%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xb39b…9826backed TEAM VISION48c564.58$271 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$271825%2 W · 6 L-2.6wins-0.32per pick57cpaid-59.2%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x4363…6380backed TEAM VISION47c531.91$250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2501533.3%5 W · 10 L-1.1wins-0.08per pick41cpaid-22.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x26d6…56efbacked Team Yandex51c509.48$260 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$249.6556542.8%242 W · 323 L+5.1wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x86ee…ef1fbacked TEAM VISION60c500$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3006870.6%48 W · 20 L+9.3wins+0.14per pick57cpaid+19.3%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0xa949…7f5bbacked TEAM VISION40c500$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20019849%97 W · 101 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-8.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xfd9e…8f17backed TEAM VISION46c463.89$213 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$213.3910%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x41a5…75bbbacked Team Yandex56c446.43$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$196.4361449.5%304 W · 310 L+9.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+4.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa72a…5685backed TEAM VISION41c444.99$182 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$182.4513645.6%62 W · 74 L-7.9wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.8%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xbc92…4593backed TEAM VISION46c434.78$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20010%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6ee1…6eb9backed TEAM VISION46c410$188 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$187.610%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x66b1…340fbacked TEAM VISION40c401.88$161 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$160.752846.4%13 W · 15 L-1.4wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-17.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x66da…53b0backed TEAM VISION46c384.5$177 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$176.8710%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7820…0b73backed TEAM VISION46c376.7$173 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$173.288957.3%51 W · 38 L0.0wins0.00per pick57cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3d40…5739backed Team Yandex54c371$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$170.661100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.46per pick54cpaid+85.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd7c8…2313backed Team Yandex54c369.68$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$169.685851.7%30 W · 28 L+2.1wins+0.04per pick48cpaid-0.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xaaf5…e71cbacked Team Yandex55c363.64$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$163.64366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.24per pick43cpaid+33.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x08a2…1abdbacked TEAM VISION44c352.99$155 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155.3214639.7%58 W · 88 L-8.4wins-0.06per pick46cpaid-12.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x5556…2759backed Team Yandex53c301.51$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$141.7129243.2%126 W · 166 L-14.4wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-19.8%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xf20b…e27dbacked TEAM VISION46c300$138 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13811746.2%54 W · 63 L-0.3wins0.00per pick46cpaid-11.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2f62…dd4dbacked TEAM VISION63c292.93$185 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$184.551560%9 W · 6 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick59cpaid-1.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6983…88c3backed TEAM VISION45c285.02$128 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$128.264746.8%22 W · 25 L+2.9wins+0.06per pick41cpaid+11.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x4298…e257backed TEAM VISION43c282.95$121 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$121.343562.9%22 W · 13 L+4.1wins+0.12per pick51cpaid+22.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xf6ee…0e41backed TEAM VISION44c264.66$116 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$116.4520448%98 W · 106 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+2.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xab05…52e9backed TEAM VISION40c262.5$105 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10517448.9%85 W · 89 L-2.9wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x1bac…d241backed TEAM VISION40c261.9$106 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.0610138.6%39 W · 62 L-5.1wins-0.05per pick44cpaid-10.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xf7f0…912cbacked Team Yandex54c256$138 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$117.7612155.4%67 W · 54 L+7.9wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+134.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6447…3f7bbacked TEAM VISION41c245.24$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1002748.1%13 W · 14 L+2.6wins+0.10per pick39cpaid+15.7%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xb7ab…16d0backed TEAM VISION66c239.76$158 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$158.1843067%288 W · 142 L+31.9wins+0.07per pick60cpaid+11.4%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x95c8…3469backed TEAM VISION44c227.27$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10021551.6%111 W · 104 L+10.9wins+0.05per pick47cpaid+8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x6523…0e83backed TEAM VISION46c222.39$102 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10210%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbb42…6e09backed TEAM VISION46c217.39$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1008251.2%42 W · 40 L+0.3wins0.00per pick51cpaid+1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf8f2…85d2backed TEAM VISION46c217.39$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10010%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.46per pick46cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x419b…6ea1backed TEAM VISION46c217.39$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10022453.1%119 W · 105 L-1.6wins-0.01per pick54cpaid-2.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf247…d8cabacked Team Yandex54c210$113 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$96.65352.8%28 W · 25 L+4.5wins+0.08per pick44cpaid+6.5%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xacab…28bcbacked Team Yandex57c204.05$116 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$87.741060%6 W · 4 L-0.2wins-0.02per pick62cpaid-11.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x90a7…5ac0backed Team Yandex55c200$110 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9014252.1%74 W · 68 L+3.1wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-0.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5519…f7e1backed Team Yandex56c200$112 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$887451.4%38 W · 36 L+1.7wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-1.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfcfe…d420backed Team Yandex57c200$114 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8619756.9%112 W · 85 L+3.1wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+0.9%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x97f2…d56fbacked Team Yandex55c200$109 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$911050%5 W · 5 L-0.3wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-18%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x09a6…73c7backed Team Yandex52c192.31$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.316654.5%36 W · 30 L+2.4wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+5.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x5848…56a1backed Team Yandex52c192.31$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.313345.5%15 W · 18 L-1.8wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-12.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x10ad…827cbacked TEAM VISION45c189.98$85 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$84.7931143.4%135 W · 176 L+7.8wins+0.03per pick41cpaid-1.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x42cd…2359backed Team Yandex54c185.19$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$85.196657.6%38 W · 28 L+4.2wins+0.06per pick51cpaid+10.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xf9a2…665cbacked Team Yandex54c185.19$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$85.191643.8%7 W · 9 L-0.9wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-19.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe809…039bbacked TEAM VISION48c179.9$87 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$86.966141%25 W · 36 L-5.9wins-0.10per pick51cpaid-26.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xb3f8…e0b1backed Team Yandex56c178.57$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$78.5726343%113 W · 150 L+13.9wins+0.05per pick38cpaid+15.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x4ec6…db1ebacked TEAM VISION43c176.74$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7610557.1%60 W · 45 L+3.1wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+2.8%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x420b…965bbacked Team Yandex55c171.14$94 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$77.0117054.7%93 W · 77 L+5.6wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+2.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf1f2…8c8dbacked TEAM VISION60c157.78$94 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$94.3842146.6%196 W · 225 L-1.2wins0.00per pick47cpaid-13.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8b9d…9b0ebacked Team Yandex42c154.55$65 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.5531126%81 W · 230 L-17.5wins-0.06per pick32cpaid-37.2%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x3214…cfcbbacked TEAM VISION44c150$66 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6616361.3%100 W · 63 L+8.3wins+0.05per pick56cpaid+11.4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x1e52…91d6backed Team Yandex54c148$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$68.088728.7%25 W · 62 L-8.5wins-0.10per pick38cpaid-38.3%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0x4a55…a82abacked Team Yandex74c135.33$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$35.331618.8%3 W · 13 L-5.4wins-0.34per pick53cpaid-71.6%equal weight35-0.13 edge/pick
0x5f50…e12bbacked TEAM VISION42c128.73$54 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$54.071656.3%9 W · 7 L+0.3wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf99c…3f0abacked Team Yandex66c119.1$79 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40.19161.5%56 W · 35 L+3.9wins+0.04per pick57cpaid+6.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x591d…f4dfbacked Team Yandex52c115.38$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$55.389942.4%42 W · 57 L-4.9wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-12%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9f90…4c92backed TEAM VISION44c113.64$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5014136.9%52 W · 89 L-5.8wins-0.04per pick41cpaid-10.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xc925…6d24backed TEAM VISION41c111.41$46 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$45.9241632.7%136 W · 280 L-37.8wins-0.09per pick42cpaid-41.8%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x75f3…0e78backed Team Yandex56c110.71$62 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48.7141248.8%201 W · 211 L+6.2wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-2.6%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xd7cc…2afabacked Team Yandex56c107.14$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$47.14771.4%5 W · 2 L+1.1wins+0.16per pick56cpaid+21%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x4b39…8b50backed Team Yandex50c105.08$53 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$52.0811751.3%60 W · 57 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-5.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 8 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.