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NHL · resolved market

Oilers vs. Maple Leafs

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Oilersof Oilers, Maple Leafs
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NHLevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$386,843
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$395,445

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $386,843 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 249 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NHL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NHL
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xef54…d1eebacked Maple Leafs46c84,273$38,671 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$38,671.0617749.2%87 W · 90 L+6.4wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+5.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x9165…5b98backed Oilers55c67,019$37,073 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29,946.4511955.5%66 W · 53 L+3.6wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+6.8%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xc350…3669backed Oilers63c54,546$34,498 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20,047.8830944.7%138 W · 171 L-1.6wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-8.5%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x92e1…2ec3backed Maple Leafs0c50,000$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5020%0 W · 2 L0.0wins0.00per pick0cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6a72…33eebacked Maple Leafs45c36,278$16,237 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$16,237.011,34554.8%737 W · 608 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick53cpaid-1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xed2c…9597backed Oilers53c20,144$10,677 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9,467.8533345.6%152 W · 181 L+0.7wins0.00per pick45cpaid-2.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc3c3…eec8backed Oilers55c15,000$8,250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,75042552.2%222 W · 203 L+25.0wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+9%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x1117…3532backed Maple Leafs44c11,749$5,220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,220.4556649.5%280 W · 286 L-7.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe60a…6a47backed Oilers55c11,460$6,303 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,156.741,94849.4%962 W · 986 L+24.9wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+2.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Oilers54c11,200$6,049 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,151.61,67954.4%914 W · 765 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Oilers56c10,237$5,683 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,554.281,19050.7%603 W · 587 L+13.3wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xead0…f3babacked Maple Leafs44c10,000$4,400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,40032946.8%154 W · 175 L-2.5wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-1.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9fad…5a9fbacked Oilers55c10,000$5,450 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,55089547%421 W · 474 L-18.0wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3e04…564dbacked Maple Leafs45c8,100$3,645 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,6451,89152.4%991 W · 900 L+36.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb7f5…c669backed Maple Leafs46c8,029$3,716 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,715.6651045.5%232 W · 278 L-9.3wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0eb3…f766backed Maple Leafs46c6,429$2,984 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,983.6754047.6%257 W · 283 L-15.9wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-5.6%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x0a77…9d74backed Maple Leafs44c5,820$2,561 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,560.852050%260 W · 260 L+6.8wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0a7e…fce4backed Maple Leafs44c5,600$2,483 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,482.9951044.5%227 W · 283 L+7.0wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x70cf…f6cebacked Maple Leafs45c5,540$2,497 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,496.893636.1%13 W · 23 L-0.7wins-0.02per pick38cpaid-12.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5116…58c4backed Oilers56c4,863$2,738 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,125.675251.7%389 W · 363 L-2.1wins0.00per pick52cpaid-1.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3a7a…15a4backed Maple Leafs47c4,255$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,00023047.4%109 W · 121 L-7.5wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed Oilers53c4,235$2,246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,988.613,70450.5%1,871 W · 1,833 L+105.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xad18…0b4fbacked Maple Leafs1c3,800$38 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3841340%165 W · 248 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick38cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1455…e5cdbacked Oilers55c3,799$2,089 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,709.5579350.1%397 W · 396 L-11.5wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-3.2%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xf5f2…0234backed Maple Leafs60c3,703$2,234 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,234.2210554.3%57 W · 48 L+8.7wins+0.08per pick46cpaid+15.7%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0xfb68…a240backed Oilers55c3,636$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,636.3650049.6%248 W · 252 L+16.4wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4fe7…2f3cbacked Maple Leafs45c3,500$1,575 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,5755446.3%25 W · 29 L-1.3wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-1.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xff7d…8848backed Maple Leafs48c3,463$1,662 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,66210%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb5e4…796ebacked Oilers52c3,450$1,794 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,656.071100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.48per pick52cpaid+92.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x371a…34b0backed Maple Leafs1c3,185$21 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20.757450.7%5 W · 740 L-13.2wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-94.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x182d…73e9backed Maple Leafs46c3,096$1,422 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,422.222946.3%106 W · 123 L-5.7wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-5.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8e68…d99bbacked Oilers54c2,777$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,277.4228652.4%150 W · 136 L+6.1wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x977a…f2cabacked Maple Leafs1c2,000$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$201,1632.3%27 W · 1,136 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick3cpaid-87.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Maple Leafs45c1,914$854 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$854.32,89451.3%1,484 W · 1,410 L+58.0wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+4.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x08a4…5c3fbacked Maple Leafs47c1,887$887 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$886.8430551.5%157 W · 148 L+10.1wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+4.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xba26…23c9backed Maple Leafs45c1,879$846 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$845.71,14350.8%581 W · 562 L+11.8wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd04d…d0e5backed Maple Leafs47c1,811$851 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$851.3297651.6%504 W · 472 L-3.9wins0.00per pick52cpaid+0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2586…c893backed Oilers52c1,800$936 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$86483652.8%441 W · 395 L+28.9wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+7.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2838…fdd3backed Oilers56c1,770$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$769.984425%11 W · 33 L-0.7wins-0.02per pick27cpaid-29.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd092…342abacked Oilers57c1,579$900 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$678.9547256.8%268 W · 204 L-5.5wins-0.01per pick58cpaid-2.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1b8b…15babacked Maple Leafs46c1,545$711 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$710.595549.1%27 W · 28 L-1.6wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-5.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5c57…5b16backed Maple Leafs47c1,376$647 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$646.761,47548.3%712 W · 763 L+2.7wins0.00per pick48cpaid+1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xce99…637ebacked Oilers55c1,291$710 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$580.9126946.1%124 W · 145 L+3.1wins+0.01per pick45cpaid+1.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x16b2…a881backed Oilers55c1,277$703 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$574.8188151.2%451 W · 430 L+10.4wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+1.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Maple Leafs28c1,273$361 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$361.222,11242.9%907 W · 1,205 L-10.1wins0.00per pick43cpaid-9.5%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xd6f4…0566backed Maple Leafs47c1,144$542 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$541.9295049.1%466 W · 484 L+12.6wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-10.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3158…d469backed Maple Leafs46c1,049$483 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$482.733060%18 W · 12 L+2.1wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+11.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x5adf…a5e7backed Maple Leafs47c1,000$470 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47063249.5%313 W · 319 L+2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid+1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5143…bee0backed Oilers55c1,000$550 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4501241.7%5 W · 7 L-1.4wins-0.12per pick53cpaid-23.2%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9437…14d2backed Maple Leafs45c1,000$450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4501070%7 W · 3 L+2.1wins+0.21per pick49cpaid+39.1%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0d9d…992bbacked Oilers38c985.19$372 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$613.191250%6 W · 6 L+1.5wins+0.13per pick37cpaid+25.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Maple Leafs53c960.29$512 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$512.081,30152.6%684 W · 617 L+23.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid-6.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5529…86d2backed Maple Leafs53c952.32$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5006547.7%31 W · 34 L-1.9wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-10.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0cf9…14e6backed Maple Leafs48c937$450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$449.7610%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xad01…7720backed Maple Leafs48c925$444 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$44410%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9807…157bbacked Maple Leafs44c909.04$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$399.9820144.8%90 W · 111 L+7.8wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+8.6%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x7da6…4ff3backed Maple Leafs44c800$352 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35216241.4%67 W · 95 L-6.4wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-10%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x5bc4…f44fbacked Maple Leafs45c800$360 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$36068449.9%341 W · 343 L-3.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3679…2bacbacked Oilers73c776.24$570 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$206.628952.8%47 W · 42 L+7.6wins+0.09per pick44cpaid+4.1%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x0ad0…12e9backed Oilers56c730.36$409 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$321.36650%3 W · 3 L-0.2wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-14.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3f08…ed44backed Oilers54c717$385 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$332.315752.6%30 W · 27 L+3.9wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+16.4%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x9dd9…08bdbacked Maple Leafs3c712$18 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18.291,05442.5%448 W · 606 L-25.3wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-17.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3b5c…126ebacked Maple Leafs44c711.36$313 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31324349.8%121 W · 122 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xee7e…61bbbacked Oilers54c703.7$380 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$323.741248.3%199 W · 213 L-5.0wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-2.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6239…c24fbacked Maple Leafs47c659.11$310 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$309.7869550.1%348 W · 347 L-4.2wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4602…3315backed Maple Leafs47c638.22$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$299.968956.2%50 W · 39 L+5.4wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+13.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x8717…49a8backed Maple Leafs47c635.3$299 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$298.5930152.5%158 W · 143 L+17.8wins+0.06per pick47cpaid+12.6%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xd9e0…05f2backed Maple Leafs49c617.15$301 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$301.11,35452.6%712 W · 642 L+46.2wins+0.03per pick49cpaid-8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x6b17…03b2backed Maple Leafs46c614$282 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$281.777838.5%30 W · 48 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick39cpaid-14.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x85c2…9730backed Oilers55c600$330 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27049746.5%231 W · 266 L-14.1wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xaeb5…58e2backed Oilers54c600$324 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27619548.2%94 W · 101 L+0.8wins0.00per pick48cpaid-2.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa315…cabbbacked Maple Leafs45c600$270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27032251.9%167 W · 155 L+4.4wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+4.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7634…1b96backed Maple Leafs45c594.88$268 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26820047.5%95 W · 105 L-9.1wins-0.05per pick52cpaid-5%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xbcb9…4734backed Maple Leafs7c582$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.168543.5%37 W · 48 L-0.1wins0.00per pick44cpaid-13.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa1d7…a70cbacked Maple Leafs39c512.25$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20030946.3%143 W · 166 L-7.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-8.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc4a6…6d23backed Oilers55c506.99$279 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$228.1528853.1%153 W · 135 L+14.6wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+11.2%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xc17f…50aabacked Maple Leafs45c472.5$213 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$212.6316346%75 W · 88 L-9.9wins-0.06per pick52cpaid-11.9%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x93a2…5181backed Maple Leafs47c467.83$220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$219.885052%26 W · 24 L+5.6wins+0.11per pick41cpaid+65.1%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x7bd8…aeabbacked Oilers54c448.57$244 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$204.6926955.8%150 W · 119 L+7.0wins+0.03per pick53cpaid+6.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xb9fc…da76backed Maple Leafs44c437$192 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$192.2823751.5%122 W · 115 L+2.1wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+3.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x14ac…dd9fbacked Maple Leafs35c428.95$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1507347.9%35 W · 38 L+4.0wins+0.05per pick43cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x3ae9…74acbacked Oilers53c426$225 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$201.0713448.5%65 W · 69 L+7.4wins+0.06per pick43cpaid+4.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Oilers55c406$223 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$182.71,43450.8%728 W · 706 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc89d…5909backed Maple Leafs47c400$188 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18811254.5%61 W · 51 L+5.3wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+13.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x9dd9…b1b1backed Oilers52c381.82$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$181.8226848.5%130 W · 138 L+3.0wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+2.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1d94…9100backed Maple Leafs47c367.8$173 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$172.871,53051.7%791 W · 739 L+22.5wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+3.3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xc449…2239backed Oilers57c350.87$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$150.8710255.9%57 W · 45 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+1.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb70d…5925backed Maple Leafs45c308.76$139 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$138.875952.5%31 W · 28 L+2.4wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbb07…0769backed Maple Leafs6c300$18 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18267.7%2 W · 24 L-0.8wins-0.03per pick11cpaid-51.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9c4d…168cbacked Maple Leafs46c300$138 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1381,08745.1%490 W · 597 L+6.8wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf41a…ea2bbacked Maple Leafs44c300$133 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13391945.6%419 W · 500 L-27.3wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-7.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe351…e48dbacked Oilers53c300$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$14027544%121 W · 154 L-17.2wins-0.06per pick50cpaid-11.2%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xc007…1639backed Oilers56c297.5$167 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$130.95651.8%29 W · 27 L+2.6wins+0.05per pick47cpaid+12.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x58c8…0300backed Oilers47c280.66$133 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$147.5260141.9%252 W · 349 L-8.5wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-18.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x4ef8…8712backed Oilers54c278$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1284045%18 W · 22 L-2.8wins-0.07per pick52cpaid-7.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x1244…c851backed Oilers54c277$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$127.4222248.2%107 W · 115 L-5.2wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbf26…6fe2backed Maple Leafs45c273.33$123 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12324952.2%130 W · 119 L+6.5wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xa72e…3db9backed Maple Leafs30c272.54$83 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$82.7318132%58 W · 123 L-12.0wins-0.07per pick39cpaid-26.5%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xce6d…28b5backed Oilers54c272.43$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$126.2974951.8%388 W · 361 L+18.8wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+5.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xe530…a2cabacked Maple Leafs47c255.32$120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12069142.8%296 W · 395 L-2.2wins0.00per pick43cpaid-0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NHL and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.