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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Tundra Esports - Game 1 Winner

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Tundra Esportsof Team Liquid, Tundra Esports
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$209,397
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$235,949

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $209,397 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 161 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xf9b5…09eebacked Team Liquid51c38,892$19,849 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$19,84955157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3833…33d1backed Tundra Esports49c34,984$17,112 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17,871.5742650%213 W · 213 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x87da…53d1backed Team Liquid56c11,172$6,205 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,20596357.3%552 W · 411 L+48.2wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+6.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x4572…83ffbacked Tundra Esports51c9,984$5,065 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,918.6453451.7%276 W · 258 L+2.3wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6b91…06c4backed Tundra Esports55c8,149$4,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,648.912828.6%8 W · 20 L-4.3wins-0.15per pick44cpaid-44.9%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xd161…4cc1backed Team Liquid27c7,210$1,977 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,977.2880443.9%353 W · 451 L-1.7wins0.00per pick44cpaid-11%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8523…1c9fbacked Team Liquid43c7,058$3,012 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,011.6310236.3%37 W · 65 L-10.7wins-0.10per pick47cpaid-36.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Team Liquid27c5,936$1,624 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,624.132,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x66fb…9f72backed Team Liquid58c5,697$3,300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,30054556.5%308 W · 237 L+10.4wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb517…434bbacked Tundra Esports51c5,637$2,873 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,763.9122842.1%96 W · 132 L-25.3wins-0.11per pick53cpaid-23.3%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0xdcfe…44b5backed Tundra Esports44c5,127$2,257 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,869.4332854.9%180 W · 148 L+11.8wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+2.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Tundra Esports52c4,731$2,438 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,292.8186949%426 W · 443 L-3.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-15%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x084b…3de6backed Tundra Esports45c4,164$1,875 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,289.3710741.1%44 W · 63 L-2.1wins-0.02per pick43cpaid-18.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd06c…cdafbacked Tundra Esports46c3,875$1,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,074.671,17943.1%508 W · 671 L+41.0wins+0.03per pick40cpaid+1.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0738…6392backed Team Liquid53c3,747$1,990 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,990.221264.2%136 W · 76 L+2.4wins+0.01per pick63cpaid+0.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Team Liquid33c2,747$910 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$910.181,52137.9%576 W · 945 L-57.8wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-26.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xb04b…e2d4backed Team Liquid5c2,698$123 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$123.3716142.9%69 W · 92 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+0.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed Team Liquid34c2,184$749 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$748.632,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd537…0f7cbacked Tundra Esports51c2,089$1,060 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,029.220452.9%108 W · 96 L-10.7wins-0.05per pick58cpaid-12.2%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xb5b7…7ffabacked Tundra Esports42c2,060$865 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,195.065642.9%24 W · 32 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-3.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf679…16acbacked Tundra Esports41c1,997$819 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,178.4522954.1%124 W · 105 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x1a12…d212backed Team Liquid46c1,918$880 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8808957.3%51 W · 38 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1fe6…5d3fbacked Team Liquid18c1,695$304 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$304.149430.9%29 W · 65 L-6.0wins-0.06per pick37cpaid-25.9%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x953f…15e6backed Team Liquid51c1,561$796 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$79615064.7%97 W · 53 L+4.5wins+0.03per pick62cpaid+3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8e3a…780cbacked Team Liquid57c1,500$855 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8555839.7%23 W · 35 L+2.7wins+0.05per pick35cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0b99…8bddbacked Team Liquid6c1,312$78 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$77.8177258.5%452 W · 320 L+74.8wins+0.10per pick49cpaid+12.5%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x38f8…f27bbacked Team Liquid3c1,298$36 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35.72425%1 W · 3 L-0.1wins-0.03per pick28cpaid-44.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xcb5b…f243backed Team Liquid45c1,222$549 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$548.551,27245%572 W · 700 L-40.5wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-17.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x25e6…afaabacked Team Liquid1c1,203$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1130%0 W · 3 L-0.5wins-0.17per pick17cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa97f…a818backed Tundra Esports46c1,177$541 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$636.2858744%258 W · 329 L+13.3wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+5.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfbc2…514cbacked Team Liquid27c1,162$317 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31733645.5%153 W · 183 L+6.5wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xcd43…88d7backed Tundra Esports44c1,120$498 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$621.910334%35 W · 68 L-5.0wins-0.05per pick39cpaid-14.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x75b3…be68backed Tundra Esports44c1,111$489 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$622.223250%16 W · 16 L+1.6wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+25.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x1709…c148backed Team Liquid30c1,080$326 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$325.5648352.4%253 W · 230 L-2.2wins0.00per pick53cpaid-5.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc75a…1ab2backed Team Liquid2c1,067$21 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$21.3340014.8%59 W · 341 L+11.2wins+0.03per pick12cpaid-1.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc192…086cbacked Team Liquid49c1,020$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50014538.6%56 W · 89 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick38cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf7c7…620cbacked Tundra Esports49c1,009$498 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$510.778544.7%38 W · 47 L-3.8wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-10.4%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x7a65…ffcdbacked Team Liquid54c999.99$540 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$539.999051.1%46 W · 44 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-4.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x00a1…5062backed Tundra Esports50c803.25$400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$403.2521346.5%99 W · 114 L-8.1wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-10.4%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xf588…2b81backed Tundra Esports48c768.06$367 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$401.3715047.3%71 W · 79 L+7.0wins+0.05per pick43cpaid-6.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf82b…5211backed Team Liquid5c701.74$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.22917.2%5 W · 24 L-2.5wins-0.09per pick26cpaid-46.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x1f2d…2b35backed Tundra Esports44c678.66$299 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$380.0553652.6%282 W · 254 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-1.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd055…28d0backed Team Liquid4c617.98$25 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$24.7226351%134 W · 129 L+13.4wins+0.05per pick46cpaid+7%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x4c52…e75fbacked Team Liquid6c611.93$38 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$37.9113732.8%45 W · 92 L+8.0wins+0.06per pick27cpaid-15.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x77f2…eec6backed Team Liquid51c587.02$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30055457.8%320 W · 234 L+12.3wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+0.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x42b7…77dcbacked Team Liquid2c586.83$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.5999844.4%443 W · 555 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-0.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa27c…ab67backed Team Liquid56c571.35$318 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$318.4679559.4%472 W · 323 L+3.7wins0.00per pick59cpaid-2.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x86e0…c394backed Team Liquid55c552.22$304 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$303.7280742.6%344 W · 463 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb91e…b045backed Team Liquid3c500$14 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13.520%0 W · 2 L0.0wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8de7…f96dbacked Team Liquid3c500$13 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13.520%0 W · 2 L0.0wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2160…bcb3backed Team Liquid57c500$285 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$28543647.5%207 W · 229 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x77a0…4bfdbacked Team Liquid52c491.17$257 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$257.381546.7%7 W · 8 L-2.2wins-0.15per pick62cpaid-27.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xb759…ed73backed Team Liquid54c481.37$261 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26110049%49 W · 51 L-5.1wins-0.05per pick54cpaid-5.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x3a97…66f5backed Tundra Esports47c467.67$219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$248.699959.6%59 W · 40 L+6.7wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+12.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6d96…d524backed Team Liquid58c431.03$250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25026957.6%155 W · 114 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5799…db25backed Tundra Esports49c408.16$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$208.1646049.8%229 W · 231 L+2.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.9%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xbec5…8f77backed Tundra Esports51c407.72$208 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$199.787835.9%28 W · 50 L-1.6wins-0.02per pick38cpaid-13.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4588…d206backed Tundra Esports47c400$188 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2122171.4%15 W · 6 L+3.9wins+0.18per pick53cpaid+33.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xc49b…70c0backed Team Liquid5c361.86$19 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18.9163032.5%205 W · 425 L+1.4wins0.00per pick32cpaid-22.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xeaae…ec88backed Team Liquid30c361.15$110 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11017146.8%80 W · 91 L+8.2wins+0.05per pick42cpaid+7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x0c67…d062backed Team Liquid58c347.5$201 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$200.551,13742.3%481 W · 656 L-27.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7181…1b0abacked Team Liquid58c344.83$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20014965.8%98 W · 51 L+8.8wins+0.06per pick60cpaid+12.1%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x1b12…5f8fbacked Tundra Esports48c340.57$163 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$177.129548.5%143 W · 152 L+0.5wins0.00per pick48cpaid+1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3abf…b143backed Tundra Esports50c302.82$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$152.8333645.5%153 W · 183 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x368d…d853backed Team Liquid48c300$144 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14461548.8%300 W · 315 L+8.2wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xdc33…aa3ebacked Team Liquid53c290$154 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$153.87560%45 W · 30 L+9.1wins+0.12per pick48cpaid+18.4%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x93f8…22babacked Team Liquid52c288.46$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1501631.3%5 W · 11 L-2.8wins-0.18per pick49cpaid-45%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x02a4…6854backed Team Liquid47c280$131 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$130.71,79755.8%1,003 W · 794 L+37.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbda6…6ae0backed Team Liquid13c266$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.5436051.9%187 W · 173 L+6.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xca1f…ed28backed Team Liquid54c263.27$142 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$142.1760552.6%318 W · 287 L+15.0wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-0.3%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x01d4…33d8backed Team Liquid57c263.16$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15011757.3%67 W · 50 L+4.0wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x1f07…c74fbacked Team Liquid36c259.99$92 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$92.54037.5%15 W · 25 L+0.8wins+0.02per pick35cpaid-19.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8e19…d2b0backed Team Liquid52c244$127 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$126.8312547.2%59 W · 66 L-2.8wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa3a6…78f7backed Team Liquid47c235.19$110 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1101225%3 W · 9 L-2.3wins-0.19per pick44cpaid-24.5%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x860e…a06dbacked Tundra Esports44c228.45$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$128.4516440.2%66 W · 98 L+2.1wins+0.01per pick39cpaid-9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x755a…6da6backed Team Liquid48c218.31$105 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$105.0918444.6%82 W · 102 L+12.2wins+0.07per pick38cpaid+25.6%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xe76d…5a75backed Team Liquid51c216$110 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$110.161,24744.4%554 W · 693 L+17.4wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+2.7%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xb9fb…95fbbacked Team Liquid52c213.14$111 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$110.838854.5%48 W · 40 L+2.4wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8fc2…64d1backed Team Liquid51c209.8$107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10711043.6%48 W · 62 L+3.5wins+0.03per pick40cpaid+14.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbe5a…13f5backed Tundra Esports51c201.96$103 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$98.9645046.7%210 W · 240 L-11.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xa76e…dcb6backed Team Liquid56c201.74$113 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$112.5434154.5%186 W · 155 L+15.8wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+12.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xc4b2…4ab2backed Team Liquid49c200$98 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9828244%124 W · 158 L-5.1wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xebf5…b1d0backed Team Liquid48c200$96 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9627950.2%140 W · 139 L-1.2wins0.00per pick51cpaid-3.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8c76…477abacked Team Liquid48c200$96 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$969651%49 W · 47 L+3.6wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0d7c…b7dbbacked Tundra Esports44c196.51$86 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$110.5817946.9%84 W · 95 L-4.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-5.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5c2c…0d72backed Team Liquid10c194.48$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$19.75250%1 W · 1 L+0.3wins+0.14per pick36cpaid-19.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x077c…98abbacked Tundra Esports52c192.31$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.3115546.5%72 W · 83 L-2.7wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-8.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xb4cb…63bebacked Team Liquid53c188.68$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10012455.6%69 W · 55 L+5.0wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+4.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x78db…4d37backed Tundra Esports44c183.07$81 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$102.526944.9%31 W · 38 L-2.2wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-13.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x022d…d8cebacked Tundra Esports50c180$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9012454%67 W · 57 L+3.0wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+6.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa528…2499backed Team Liquid52c179.57$93 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$93.093655.6%20 W · 16 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+2.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xed10…15edbacked Team Liquid51c158.88$81 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81.0388166.7%588 W · 293 L+76.3wins+0.09per pick58cpaid+12.5%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x2aa7…003fbacked Tundra Esports48c150$72 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$78.345052.4%236 W · 214 L+13.8wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+0.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x76ff…a353backed Team Liquid52c150$78 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$783043.3%13 W · 17 L-6.4wins-0.21per pick65cpaid-33.1%equal weight37-0.12 edge/pick
0xbc76…3af1backed Team Liquid53c128.28$68 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67.991442.9%6 W · 8 L-0.9wins-0.06per pick49cpaid-13.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc209…7924backed Tundra Esports48c120$58 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$62.250757.4%291 W · 216 L+3.3wins+0.01per pick57cpaid-2.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x40ba…7ea5backed Team Liquid52c120$62 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$62.453757.7%310 W · 227 L+11.8wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xad69…7397backed Team Liquid55c116.53$64 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$64.0951140.3%206 W · 305 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcea2…8ea7backed Team Liquid52c109.56$57 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$57.142352.2%12 W · 11 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick52cpaid+2.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x51fc…5922backed Tundra Esports48c104.86$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$54.867050%35 W · 35 L+2.2wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+12%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.