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NBA · resolved market

Grizzlies vs. Timberwolves

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Grizzliesof Grizzlies, Timberwolves
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$463,639
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$488,020

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $463,639 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 589 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x0269…cb2dbacked Timberwolves36c33,709$12,129 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,129.265642.5%279 W · 377 L-2.9wins0.00per pick43cpaid-15%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9483…39b2backed Timberwolves57c28,645$16,249 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$16,249.026863.2%43 W · 25 L+2.8wins+0.04per pick59cpaid+5.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0137…bf9ebacked Timberwolves53c18,000$9,540 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9,540757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.1wins+0.02per pick55cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5e14…f4dabacked Grizzlies47c18,000$8,460 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9,540742.9%3 W · 4 L-0.1wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-12.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6410…1ff4backed Grizzlies54c13,879$7,481 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,397.3211164%71 W · 40 L+13.0wins+0.12per pick52cpaid+1.7%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0xa6a8…5009backed Grizzlies42c11,375$4,807 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,567.333,99548.9%1,952 W · 2,043 L+101.9wins+0.03per pick46cpaid-1.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xdc08…0577backed Grizzlies48c10,041$4,819 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,221.091100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.52per pick48cpaid+108.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x13f9…29babacked Timberwolves52c10,039$5,220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,220.420%0 W · 2 L-0.7wins-0.34per pick34cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa535…6bf5backed Grizzlies46c10,000$4,600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,4009557.9%55 W · 40 L+0.9wins+0.01per pick57cpaid-0.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xee00…cea1backed Grizzlies40c8,285$3,339 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,946.2970147.8%335 W · 366 L+15.4wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-8.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2509…e4dbbacked Grizzlies47c7,948$3,752 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,196.0366744.5%297 W · 370 L-6.5wins-0.01per pick46cpaid-2.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa84b…5055backed Timberwolves63c7,777$4,922 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,921.736361.9%39 W · 24 L-6.3wins-0.10per pick72cpaid-13.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xc725…34e7backed Grizzlies47c7,239$3,402 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,836.55366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.14per pick53cpaid+23%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xc2a3…1698backed Grizzlies47c6,978$3,290 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,687.999250%46 W · 46 L+10.2wins+0.11per pick39cpaid+30.5%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x542e…e88ebacked Timberwolves57c6,892$3,943 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,943.3814941.6%62 W · 87 L-2.7wins-0.02per pick43cpaid-14.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1b5e…83f8backed Timberwolves53c6,568$3,481 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,481.0711656.9%66 W · 50 L+10.6wins+0.09per pick48cpaid+17%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0x7bbf…2760backed Grizzlies34c5,524$1,884 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,639.831935.1%112 W · 207 L-7.8wins-0.02per pick38cpaid-18.7%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x9a8c…ba13backed Grizzlies46c5,150$2,369 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,781.255151%26 W · 25 L-2.5wins-0.05per pick56cpaid-15.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x4a64…4430backed Grizzlies31c4,301$1,331 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,969.9661532.2%198 W · 417 L-21.1wins-0.03per pick36cpaid-32.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xb786…b18dbacked Timberwolves55c3,889$2,133 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,132.671,31650.5%664 W · 652 L+42.4wins+0.03per pick47cpaid-0.7%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x236a…9a00backed Grizzlies49c3,776$1,850 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,925.512437.5%9 W · 15 L-0.5wins-0.02per pick40cpaid+1.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x28c1…a4ccbacked Grizzlies53c3,566$1,901 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,665.195561.8%34 W · 21 L-0.2wins0.00per pick62cpaid-7.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1e3e…b656backed Timberwolves52c3,471$1,805 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,8055269.2%36 W · 16 L+6.3wins+0.12per pick57cpaid+30.3%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x480d…f219backed Grizzlies47c3,000$1,408 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,592.311,29044%567 W · 723 L+35.0wins+0.03per pick41cpaid+7.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3c82…e0cbbacked Timberwolves60c2,852$1,720 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,72027041.5%112 W · 158 L+10.7wins+0.04per pick38cpaid+2.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xeb7f…1f1ebacked Timberwolves49c2,547$1,238 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,2381850%9 W · 9 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid+16.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x35aa…94bcbacked Timberwolves70c2,531$1,783 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,782.943860.5%23 W · 15 L+3.4wins+0.09per pick52cpaid+13.3%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x4673…d99bbacked Timberwolves51c2,500$1,275 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,27537954.1%205 W · 174 L-5.7wins-0.01per pick56cpaid0%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd2bd…dce0backed Timberwolves52c2,446$1,276 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,275.8177745%350 W · 427 L+6.6wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x31b7…bde1backed Grizzlies48c2,248$1,071 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,176.89739.2%38 W · 59 L-7.5wins-0.08per pick47cpaid-18%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x1642…5988backed Timberwolves54c2,222$1,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,199.8436843.8%161 W · 207 L-17.8wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-12.2%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xe83c…5e8fbacked Grizzlies46c2,158$993 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,165.341,45149.7%721 W · 730 L+18.0wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1250…8f99backed Grizzlies47c2,127$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,127.3621455.1%118 W · 96 L-1.0wins0.00per pick56cpaid-3.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x94e5…6cfebacked Timberwolves75c2,062$1,546 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,546.374456.8%25 W · 19 L+2.0wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfc25…1f7fbacked Grizzlies45c2,055$926 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,128.496447.8%461 W · 503 L+35.5wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+17.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x71c3…61ebbacked Timberwolves70c2,000$1,400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,4002060%12 W · 8 L-0.5wins-0.02per pick62cpaid-12.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbd88…1ca6backed Timberwolves66c1,950$1,294 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,294.3119451.5%100 W · 94 L-17.8wins-0.09per pick61cpaid-17.4%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x824c…d2bbbacked Timberwolves52c1,922$1,001 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,000.744238.1%16 W · 26 L-0.1wins0.00per pick38cpaid-8.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd727…eccebacked Timberwolves57c1,900$1,083 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,082.991,19846.8%561 W · 637 L-7.0wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-3.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x520a…ab8abacked Grizzlies46c1,799$828 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$971.5951037.5%191 W · 319 L+1.3wins0.00per pick37cpaid-2.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x93bc…8ca3backed Grizzlies45c1,715$771 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$943.331,75240.6%712 W · 1,040 L-3.3wins0.00per pick41cpaid-5.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf4cd…0516backed Timberwolves60c1,639$979 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$979.1739843.5%173 W · 225 L-1.0wins0.00per pick44cpaid-16.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x80eb…5bfcbacked Timberwolves69c1,448$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,0005267.3%35 W · 17 L+0.7wins+0.01per pick66cpaid-0.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6a07…4769backed Grizzlies44c1,413$620 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$792.574862.5%30 W · 18 L+0.8wins+0.02per pick61cpaid-3.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x791e…17ddbacked Timberwolves49c1,368$670 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$670.397248.6%35 W · 37 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-7.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x08a8…adcebacked Grizzlies45c1,351$610 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$740.3116341.1%67 W · 96 L-3.3wins-0.02per pick43cpaid-3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8ed5…a76ebacked Timberwolves55c1,273$700 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$70015558.7%91 W · 64 L-6.9wins-0.04per pick63cpaid-8.7%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xd9dd…b525backed Grizzlies29c1,257$359 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$898.4844337.9%168 W · 275 L-0.7wins0.00per pick38cpaid-9.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x90f6…b703backed Timberwolves2c1,182$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$23.64616.6%4 W · 57 L-1.6wins-0.03per pick9cpaid-80.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8420…8bb6backed Timberwolves54c1,163$628 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$628.21850%4 W · 4 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0c27…c8b4backed Timberwolves55c1,128$618 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$618.1917141.5%71 W · 100 L-0.7wins0.00per pick42cpaid-20.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7990…c870backed Timberwolves55c1,070$590 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5904847.9%23 W · 25 L-3.4wins-0.07per pick55cpaid-14.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x1396…b149backed Grizzlies48c1,051$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$550.944254.8%23 W · 19 L-0.1wins0.00per pick55cpaid-4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed Grizzlies44c1,035$454 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$581.65,84446.7%2,728 W · 3,116 L+32.7wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-3.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5d5e…5d34backed Timberwolves69c1,022$705 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$704.654949%24 W · 25 L+0.2wins0.00per pick49cpaid+3.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x977a…f2cabacked Timberwolves1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101,2772.3%29 W · 1,248 L-11.7wins-0.01per pick3cpaid-84%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9353…cdbebacked Grizzlies46c1,000$460 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$54068642.1%289 W · 397 L+9.9wins+0.01per pick41cpaid+8.6%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x58b5…7340backed Timberwolves1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101348.2%11 W · 123 L-0.9wins-0.01per pick9cpaid-81.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xad3f…857ebacked Timberwolves56c1,000$560 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5603333.3%11 W · 22 L-3.0wins-0.09per pick42cpaid-38.7%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x55ea…2ba7backed Grizzlies72c1,000$720 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2806563.1%41 W · 24 L-1.6wins-0.02per pick66cpaid-7.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x574e…3ef1backed Grizzlies45c1,000$448 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$55230443.1%131 W · 173 L-4.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x41e9…7003backed Timberwolves1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1060%0 W · 6 L-0.3wins-0.05per pick5cpaid-100%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcbed…aa02backed Grizzlies44c1,000$440 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56022721.6%49 W · 178 L-8.9wins-0.04per pick25cpaid-21.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x0be7…88a1backed Grizzlies41c999.99$410 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5903467.6%23 W · 11 L+4.3wins+0.13per pick55cpaid+22.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xd9c0…4583backed Timberwolves54c999.9$540 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$539.9413857.2%79 W · 59 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+4.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf0b0…8cabbacked Timberwolves56c987.02$553 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$552.971,55437.3%579 W · 975 L-48.1wins-0.03per pick40cpaid-18.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xac43…4925backed Timberwolves66c976.69$644 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$644.3712657.1%72 W · 54 L+2.5wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x665e…0c34backed Grizzlies54c925.93$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$425.93633.3%2 W · 4 L-2.3wins-0.38per pick71cpaid-48%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x2fe6…ab9dbacked Timberwolves52c918.95$480 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$479.6749849.4%246 W · 252 L-3.4wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-4.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xba68…ce61backed Grizzlies36c886$320 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$566.449330.1%28 W · 65 L-15.2wins-0.16per pick46cpaid-39.4%equal weight36-0.13 edge/pick
0x094b…26bbbacked Timberwolves63c867.16$550 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$549.6977.8%7 W · 2 L+1.6wins+0.18per pick60cpaid+22%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xa9d7…25e9backed Timberwolves59c831.11$490 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$489.6570951.3%364 W · 345 L+6.2wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-3.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfe41…af5abacked Timberwolves60c790.28$477 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$476.63988.9%8 W · 1 L+2.3wins+0.26per pick63cpaid+41.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xbff1…3f4fbacked Timberwolves54c766.08$414 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$413.68862.5%5 W · 3 L+1.0wins+0.13per pick50cpaid+20.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x967f…3750backed Grizzlies50c750$373 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$376.83580%4 W · 1 L+1.5wins+0.29per pick51cpaid+61.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x390f…9ef2backed Timberwolves53c750$398 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$398.35520%1 W · 4 L-1.5wins-0.30per pick50cpaid-57.3%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x6e79…a15abacked Timberwolves54c721.78$390 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$390.076552.3%34 W · 31 L-6.2wins-0.09per pick62cpaid-18.9%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xd692…8b9abacked Timberwolves59c709.59$418 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$417.7526235.9%94 W · 168 L+1.1wins0.00per pick35cpaid-19.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x700a…2a7bbacked Timberwolves55c704.01$384 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$384.032343.5%10 W · 13 L+0.6wins+0.03per pick41cpaid+2.9%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xd0ad…5176backed Timberwolves51c701.92$358 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$357.9830440.5%123 W · 181 L+12.4wins+0.04per pick36cpaid+15.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf884…7a73backed Timberwolves54c700$378 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$37860%0 W · 6 L-1.9wins-0.32per pick32cpaid-100%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xc203…74f3backed Timberwolves57c692.68$397 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$396.9225957.5%149 W · 110 L0.0wins0.00per pick58cpaid-8.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4fc1…ec92backed Grizzlies46c690.63$317 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$373.9775347.5%358 W · 395 L+10.4wins+0.01per pick46cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf65e…a55abacked Timberwolves28c678.57$190 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1904344.2%19 W · 24 L-1.2wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-9.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb8df…61aabacked Grizzlies46c667.01$307 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$360.181154.5%6 W · 5 L+1.1wins+0.10per pick45cpaid+16.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xaafb…3027backed Timberwolves53c659.26$350 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3505764.9%37 W · 20 L+3.6wins+0.06per pick59cpaid+10.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xb5e7…3c1abacked Grizzlies46c654.9$301 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$353.6557760.5%349 W · 228 L-4.9wins-0.01per pick61cpaid-0.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb8b3…96bebacked Timberwolves59c638.95$380 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$379.831070%7 W · 3 L+0.9wins+0.09per pick61cpaid+9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x7387…6345backed Timberwolves62c614.75$381 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$381.142755.6%15 W · 12 L+0.7wins+0.03per pick53cpaid+4.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfd6c…42b2backed Grizzlies47c610.57$286 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$324.19154.9%50 W · 41 L+3.4wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+4.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe9ea…2f5fbacked Timberwolves53c587.1$311 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$311.172050%10 W · 10 L+0.4wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+22.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7321…451dbacked Grizzlies35c578.99$204 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$374.744247.6%20 W · 22 L+4.6wins+0.11per pick37cpaid+25%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x54e7…e35fbacked Grizzlies41c578$238 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$340.2422955.9%128 W · 101 L+4.4wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+0.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4818…bf0bbacked Timberwolves53c577.27$306 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$305.9514129.1%41 W · 100 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick30cpaid+5.7%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x54f5…e936backed Grizzlies38c563.38$214 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$348.9515947.8%76 W · 83 L+4.1wins+0.03per pick45cpaid-8.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc558…e8ccbacked Grizzlies29c562.11$161 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$401.5225651.6%132 W · 124 L+5.2wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-4.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbd45…63bfbacked Timberwolves51c550$281 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$280.54344.2%19 W · 24 L-2.2wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-12%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xec5c…ce46backed Timberwolves56c535.12$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30045135%158 W · 293 L-6.9wins-0.02per pick37cpaid-18%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xe880…de2dbacked Timberwolves55c534.68$294 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$294.0716553.9%89 W · 76 L-8.5wins-0.05per pick59cpaid-8.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x6325…6912backed Timberwolves47c527.66$248 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$248757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.3wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+10.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.