CS2 · resolved market
Counter-Strike: MANA eSports vs Bushido Wildcats (BO3)
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What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- MANA eSportsof MANA eSports, Bushido Wildcats
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- CS2every record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $46,283
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $54,374
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $46,283 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 78 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in CS2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in CS2 | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0xa61b…3984backed Bushido Wildcats | 45c | 2,800$1,260 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,260 | 86 | 57%49 W · 37 L | +5.3wins | +0.06per pick | 51cpaid | +5.2%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x07f1…9f40backed MANA eSports | 65c | 2,428$1,574 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$854.65 | 9 | 22.2%2 W · 7 L | -1.9wins | -0.21per pick | 43cpaid | -56.5%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xb0a4…c4aabacked MANA eSports | 43c | 2,414$1,037 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,377.25 | 6 | 33.3%2 W · 4 L | -0.6wins | -0.10per pick | 43cpaid | -27.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa042…62bdbacked MANA eSports | 54c | 2,300$1,231 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,068.98 | 49 | 59.2%29 W · 20 L | +5.8wins | +0.12per pick | 47cpaid | +24.1%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xbec7…5977backed MANA eSports | 58c | 1,810$1,050 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$760.36 | 576 | 47.6%274 W · 302 L | -25.7wins | -0.04per pick | 52cpaid | -12%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x4d9d…e6c3backed Bushido Wildcats | 57c | 1,767$1,000 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$999.65 | 66 | 48.5%32 W · 34 L | +1.0wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | -0.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x82bf…de71backed MANA eSports | 39c | 1,428$557 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$871.07 | 623 | 50.9%317 W · 306 L | +18.5wins | +0.03per pick | 48cpaid | -1.4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe42b…7ea9backed Bushido Wildcats | 32c | 1,319$420 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$419.72 | 508 | 33.5%170 W · 338 L | +14.2wins | +0.03per pick | 31cpaid | +2.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xba05…f8c0backed Bushido Wildcats | 42c | 1,200$504 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$504 | 972 | 30%292 W · 680 L | -23.7wins | -0.02per pick | 32cpaid | -12%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8da1…339ebacked Bushido Wildcats | 46c | 1,088$501 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$500.98 | 47 | 34%16 W · 31 L | -5.3wins | -0.11per pick | 45cpaid | -30.9%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xbc24…c8c4backed MANA eSports | 43c | 975.89$419 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$556.8 | 28 | 50%14 W · 14 L | -3.1wins | -0.11per pick | 61cpaid | -19.6%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x2f1f…aa39backed MANA eSports | 72c | 777.33$560 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$217.65 | 227 | 61.7%140 W · 87 L | +4.7wins | +0.02per pick | 60cpaid | +5.7%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6bea…5d50backed MANA eSports | 28c | 755$212 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$542.82 | 339 | 49%166 W · 173 L | +3.0wins | +0.01per pick | 48cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x34c1…7d67backed MANA eSports | 60c | 688.49$412 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$276.53 | 9 | 88.9%8 W · 1 L | +3.0wins | +0.34per pick | 55cpaid | +55.8%equal weight | 60+0.09 edge/pick |
| 0x2652…2a1dbacked Bushido Wildcats | 51c | 633.46$321 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$321.23 | 2,326 | 55.7%1,296 W · 1,030 L | +44.8wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9592…a85bbacked MANA eSports | 55c | 529$293 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$236.05 | 362 | 45.3%164 W · 198 L | +12.6wins | +0.03per pick | 42cpaid | -4.6%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x7951…bb41backed Bushido Wildcats | 42c | 500$210 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$210 | 970 | 40.7%395 W · 575 L | +12.4wins | +0.01per pick | 39cpaid | +7.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xaee7…1e5bbacked MANA eSports | 69c | 500$345 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$155 | 341 | 47.5%162 W · 179 L | +5.2wins | +0.02per pick | 46cpaid | +0.2%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe167…03a1backed Bushido Wildcats | 51c | 455.98$234 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$233.91 | 418 | 50%209 W · 209 L | +9.0wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x74dc…cc04backed MANA eSports | 67c | 445.68$300 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$145.68 | 17 | 58.8%10 W · 7 L | -0.8wins | -0.04per pick | 63cpaid | -10.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xfd14…2267backed Bushido Wildcats | 44c | 400$176 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$176 | 5,830 | 37.8%2,203 W · 3,627 L | +79.0wins | +0.01per pick | 36cpaid | +0.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3abf…b143backed Bushido Wildcats | 44c | 378$166 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$166.32 | 193 | 42%81 W · 112 L | -12.1wins | -0.06per pick | 48cpaid | -22.7%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x6036…d2ccbacked Bushido Wildcats | 40c | 375$150 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$150 | 73 | 43.8%32 W · 41 L | -2.9wins | -0.04per pick | 48cpaid | -7.2%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x0e2e…b5a5backed MANA eSports | 45c | 354.72$159 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$195.96 | 138 | 47.1%65 W · 73 L | +18.3wins | +0.13per pick | 34cpaid | +65.2%equal weight | 62+0.11 edge/pick |
| 0x4b9e…4580backed Bushido Wildcats | 71c | 352.11$250 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$250 | 11 | 54.5%6 W · 5 L | -0.1wins | -0.01per pick | 55cpaid | +3.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xfb85…4b19backed MANA eSports | 48c | 350.16$169 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$181.59 | 14 | 71.4%10 W · 4 L | +1.9wins | +0.14per pick | 58cpaid | +21.5%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x762d…45a6backed MANA eSports | 39c | 307$121 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$186.15 | 127 | 52%66 W · 61 L | +5.3wins | +0.04per pick | 48cpaid | -2%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9731…9b35backed MANA eSports | 50c | 302.55$151 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$151.44 | 153 | 47.1%72 W · 81 L | -4.1wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -5.9%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x74ef…1ac6backed MANA eSports | 78c | 300.18$234 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66.18 | 263 | 60.8%160 W · 103 L | -13.4wins | -0.05per pick | 66cpaid | -9.6%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x788d…99bbbacked MANA eSports | 73c | 273.97$200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$73.97 | 4 | 50%2 W · 2 L | +0.4wins | +0.10per pick | 40cpaid | -13.7%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xb4f9…32b1backed Bushido Wildcats | 39c | 248.45$98 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$97.85 | 113 | 37.2%42 W · 71 L | -9.8wins | -0.09per pick | 46cpaid | -30.3%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x558c…ca77backed Bushido Wildcats | 69c | 248.35$171 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$171.36 | 182 | 65.9%120 W · 62 L | +5.5wins | +0.03per pick | 63cpaid | +4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x4da1…e6dfbacked Bushido Wildcats | 51c | 229$117 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$117.15 | 104 | 46.2%48 W · 56 L | -2.9wins | -0.03per pick | 49cpaid | -0.7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8b15…a031backed MANA eSports | 33c | 203.54$67 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$136.54 | 225 | 54.7%123 W · 102 L | +1.2wins | +0.01per pick | 54cpaid | +2.8%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd473…3febbacked Bushido Wildcats | 55c | 200$110 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$110 | 29 | 48.3%14 W · 15 L | -3.2wins | -0.11per pick | 59cpaid | -16.9%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x74b3…c6a5backed MANA eSports | 58c | 159.5$93 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66.99 | 10 | 40%4 W · 6 L | -0.4wins | -0.04per pick | 44cpaid | -22.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x61c1…0513backed MANA eSports | 63c | 158.73$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$58.73 | 133 | 63.9%85 W · 48 L | -1.3wins | -0.01per pick | 65cpaid | -4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd572…5510backed MANA eSports | 55c | 147.27$81 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66.27 | 35 | 54.3%19 W · 16 L | +3.1wins | +0.09per pick | 46cpaid | +16.7%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2763…b5e4backed Bushido Wildcats | 71c | 140.77$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100.17 | 17 | 70.6%12 W · 5 L | +2.7wins | +0.16per pick | 55cpaid | +25.6%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xe0b3…b220backed Bushido Wildcats | 55c | 140.56$77 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$77.31 | 32 | 71.9%23 W · 9 L | +3.0wins | +0.09per pick | 62cpaid | +14.8%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xe889…d0c3backed Bushido Wildcats | 43c | 139.53$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$60 | 94 | 33%31 W · 63 L | -10.2wins | -0.11per pick | 44cpaid | -27.4%equal weight | 41-0.09 edge/pick |
| 0x110f…9ba7backed Bushido Wildcats | 45c | 134.12$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$60.22 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -0.8wins | -0.26per pick | 59cpaid | -51.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x36d3…7030backed MANA eSports | 30c | 128.82$38 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$90.59 | 18 | 27.8%5 W · 13 L | -1.3wins | -0.07per pick | 35cpaid | -33.8%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x755a…6da6backed MANA eSports | 44c | 119.56$53 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66.98 | 1,046 | 45%471 W · 575 L | +6.9wins | +0.01per pick | 44cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8da8…a639backed Bushido Wildcats | 38c | 116.25$44 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$44.25 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.4wins | -0.38per pick | 38cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xfe9a…3487backed MANA eSports | 77c | 113.78$87 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$26.46 | 35 | 57.1%20 W · 15 L | -0.2wins | -0.01per pick | 58cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xec48…d04cbacked Bushido Wildcats | 30c | 105.69$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$31.7 | 110 | 51.8%57 W · 53 L | +1.2wins | +0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9501…a052backed MANA eSports | 57c | 102.33$58 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$44.33 | 23 | 39.1%9 W · 14 L | -2.6wins | -0.11per pick | 51cpaid | -27.7%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2a9f…e23bbacked MANA eSports | 80c | 100$80 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.6wins | -0.29per pick | 79cpaid | -37.5%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xda70…bd4dbacked Bushido Wildcats | 73c | 100$73 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$73 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.12per pick | 62cpaid | -3.8%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe6a5…e95dbacked MANA eSports | 58c | 86.21$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.21 | 581 | 49.2%286 W · 295 L | -17.2wins | -0.03per pick | 52cpaid | -8.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa5a8…bf60backed Bushido Wildcats | 58c | 86.21$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 988 | 56.1%554 W · 434 L | +21.8wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | +4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5fd8…a5bebacked Bushido Wildcats | 48c | 82.42$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$39.56 | 52 | 32.7%17 W · 35 L | -3.7wins | -0.07per pick | 40cpaid | -19.2%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x1e7d…4a9bbacked MANA eSports | 47c | 78.42$37 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$41.42 | 19 | 63.2%12 W · 7 L | +0.7wins | +0.04per pick | 60cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xbc7e…ffa1backed Bushido Wildcats | 46c | 75.88$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35 | 10 | 30%3 W · 7 L | -2.8wins | -0.28per pick | 58cpaid | -53.3%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x51ce…43fabacked Bushido Wildcats | 29c | 70$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.3 | 22 | 27.3%6 W · 16 L | -2.1wins | -0.10per pick | 37cpaid | -27.7%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x1c83…6f40backed Bushido Wildcats | 29c | 69.43$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 374 | 45.7%171 W · 203 L | -29.6wins | -0.08per pick | 54cpaid | -15.4%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xbce1…5555backed MANA eSports | 29c | 68.97$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$48.97 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | +0.5wins | +0.26per pick | 24cpaid | +72.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe18d…9c5bbacked Bushido Wildcats | 64c | 60.15$38 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$38.34 | 159 | 51.6%82 W · 77 L | -1.5wins | -0.01per pick | 53cpaid | -7.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xcbbd…16d6backed Bushido Wildcats | 54c | 52.98$29 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$28.61 | 44 | 27.3%12 W · 32 L | -7.7wins | -0.18per pick | 45cpaid | -45.7%equal weight | 38-0.11 edge/pick |
| 0x5098…48debacked Bushido Wildcats | 33c | 50$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.5 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.33per pick | 33cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x57d5…0bbdbacked MANA eSports | 39c | 49.83$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$30.22 | 229 | 31.4%72 W · 157 L | -6.3wins | -0.03per pick | 34cpaid | -23.7%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0097…f101backed MANA eSports | 54c | 48$26 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$22.08 | 27 | 63%17 W · 10 L | +2.9wins | +0.11per pick | 52cpaid | +11.6%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x0666…d31abacked MANA eSports | 75c | 47.92$36 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$12.14 | 5 | 60%3 W · 2 L | -0.2wins | -0.05per pick | 65cpaid | -13.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x70c8…006cbacked MANA eSports | 63c | 47.4$30 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.4 | 41 | 61%25 W · 16 L | -0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 61cpaid | -3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xbed0…3c7dbacked MANA eSports | 61c | 44.01$27 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.06 | 149 | 50.3%75 W · 74 L | -10.4wins | -0.07per pick | 57cpaid | -14.4%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x3094…d467backed MANA eSports | 40c | 40.29$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24.17 | 19 | 68.4%13 W · 6 L | +3.3wins | +0.17per pick | 51cpaid | +30.6%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x425f…0f7abacked Bushido Wildcats | 51c | 39.22$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 117 | 47%55 W · 62 L | -7.3wins | -0.06per pick | 53cpaid | -15.9%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xc393…590abacked Bushido Wildcats | 42c | 35.71$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 117 | 50.4%59 W · 58 L | -3.8wins | -0.03per pick | 54cpaid | -9.3%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8359…5944backed Bushido Wildcats | 60c | 31.45$19 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19 | 697 | 32%223 W · 474 L | -46.0wins | -0.07per pick | 39cpaid | -32.2%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x223e…fc48backed MANA eSports | 64c | 31.25$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.25 | 6 | 50%3 W · 3 L | -0.3wins | -0.05per pick | 55cpaid | -22%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xf60f…4e23backed MANA eSports | 67c | 30.02$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.02 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.14per pick | 64cpaid | -24.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0f3a…7dcbbacked MANA eSports | 64c | 28.75$18 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.35 | 176 | 59.7%105 W · 71 L | +5.3wins | +0.03per pick | 57cpaid | +4.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xfd33…6c0dbacked Bushido Wildcats | 52c | 27.82$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.47 | 17 | 47.1%8 W · 9 L | -1.5wins | -0.09per pick | 56cpaid | -25.7%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xda87…ca76backed MANA eSports | 68c | 26.47$18 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$8.47 | 28 | 21.4%6 W · 22 L | -3.4wins | -0.12per pick | 34cpaid | -35.4%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x34cd…9675backed MANA eSports | 58c | 21$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$8.82 | 131 | 44.3%58 W · 73 L | -0.2wins | 0.00per pick | 44cpaid | -11.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xbfd7…f0bfbacked Bushido Wildcats | 55c | 20$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11 | 5,511 | 47%2,590 W · 2,921 L | +42.0wins | +0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -4.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x382c…2261backed Bushido Wildcats | 55c | 20$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11 | 58 | 62.1%36 W · 22 L | -1.9wins | -0.03per pick | 65cpaid | -3.8%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in CS2 and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 3 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Counter-Strike: MANA eSports vs Bushido Wildcats (BO3)this page
- Counter-Strike: MANA eSports vs Bushido Wildcats - Map 1 WinnerMANA eSports won
- Counter-Strike: MANA eSports vs Bushido Wildcats - Map 2 WinnerBushido Wildcats won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.