Tennis · resolved market
Liege: Jack Loge vs Lorenzo Giustino
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What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Lorenzo Giustinoof Jack Loge, Lorenzo Giustino
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Tennisevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $39,408
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $45,321
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $39,408 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 78 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Tennis is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Tennis | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x0d2d…7ff5backed Lorenzo Giustino | 72c | 4,512$3,233 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,279.08 | 8,505 | 42.6%3,619 W · 4,886 L | -166.3wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -21.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x37e2…4b92backed Jack Loge | 15c | 4,329$638 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$638.29 | 106 | 38.7%41 W · 65 L | +2.9wins | +0.03per pick | 36cpaid | +1.1%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x26bd…1af5backed Jack Loge | 28c | 1,778$500 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$500 | 226 | 47.8%108 W · 118 L | -2.2wins | -0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -5.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0c99…0c88backed Jack Loge | 30c | 1,500$457 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$456.64 | 9,286 | 44.3%4,110 W · 5,176 L | -245.7wins | -0.03per pick | 47cpaid | -12.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xadfb…c2efbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 75c | 1,497$1,121 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$375.76 | 3,256 | 48.2%1,570 W · 1,686 L | -53.4wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0c22…0a8cbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 80c | 1,476$1,179 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$297.76 | 464 | 40.5%188 W · 276 L | -36.6wins | -0.08per pick | 48cpaid | -21%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x73d4…dbd6backed Lorenzo Giustino | 69c | 1,440$1,000 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$439.66 | 332 | 56%186 W · 146 L | -3.1wins | -0.01per pick | 57cpaid | -2.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7fea…8f74backed Lorenzo Giustino | 76c | 1,135$862 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$272.78 | 921 | 45.2%416 W · 505 L | -4.7wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -20.1%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x710c…78eabacked Jack Loge | 35c | 1,041$364 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$364.49 | 1,040 | 58.2%605 W · 435 L | -17.6wins | -0.02per pick | 60cpaid | -7.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa0f2…1848backed Jack Loge | 43c | 999$429 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$429.09 | 1,365 | 43.3%591 W · 774 L | -26.5wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -19.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xfe78…0319backed Lorenzo Giustino | 79c | 933.09$739 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$194.51 | 8,828 | 36.1%3,190 W · 5,638 L | -193.3wins | -0.02per pick | 38cpaid | -27.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x85c3…700cbacked Jack Loge | 37c | 541.49$200 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$200.35 | 1,688 | 45.4%766 W · 922 L | -10.5wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -1.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7547…d158backed Jack Loge | 26c | 455.46$120 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$119.77 | 7,049 | 39.7%2,795 W · 4,254 L | -20.5wins | 0.00per pick | 40cpaid | +0.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6a80…d472backed Jack Loge | 36c | 372.52$135 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$135 | 1,186 | 52.4%622 W · 564 L | +28.9wins | +0.02per pick | 50cpaid | +5.2%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2f26…0d8fbacked Jack Loge | 25c | 339$85 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$84.75 | 1,532 | 40.7%624 W · 908 L | -48.7wins | -0.03per pick | 44cpaid | -20.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x6c04…a593backed Jack Loge | 30c | 333.53$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 429 | 30.5%131 W · 298 L | -13.3wins | -0.03per pick | 34cpaid | -11.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x7087…8c57backed Jack Loge | 32c | 314.76$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 73 | 35.6%26 W · 47 L | -1.1wins | -0.01per pick | 37cpaid | -13.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd9c9…6686backed Jack Loge | 31c | 250.37$77 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$77.13 | 1,337 | 46%615 W · 722 L | +23.1wins | +0.02per pick | 44cpaid | +0.8%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb9dd…13a2backed Jack Loge | 25c | 240$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$60 | 245 | 57.6%141 W · 104 L | +1.8wins | +0.01per pick | 57cpaid | +1.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8e69…553abacked Jack Loge | 25c | 200$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 923 | 55.8%515 W · 408 L | +20.9wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | +4.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x1dcb…9f08backed Jack Loge | 14c | 194.21$27 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$27.19 | 206 | 35.9%74 W · 132 L | +5.3wins | +0.03per pick | 33cpaid | -2.8%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5e30…acbfbacked Jack Loge | 26c | 192.64$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50.27 | 7,724 | 47.8%3,691 W · 4,033 L | +41.2wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | +1.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x93d7…c7a6backed Lorenzo Giustino | 63c | 158.73$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$58.73 | 167 | 55.7%93 W · 74 L | +8.8wins | +0.05per pick | 50cpaid | +9.8%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xe24e…eecebacked Jack Loge | 25c | 140$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35 | 878 | 54.7%480 W · 398 L | +8.5wins | +0.01per pick | 54cpaid | +2.9%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x66ac…5e75backed Jack Loge | 25c | 140$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35 | 942 | 55.8%526 W · 416 L | +19.9wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | +5.1%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa182…3106backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 138.36$101 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$37.36 | 609 | 62.7%382 W · 227 L | +5.4wins | +0.01per pick | 62cpaid | +1.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xccd8…f4debacked Jack Loge | 28c | 137.93$39 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$38.62 | 1,475 | 35.2%519 W · 956 L | -14.1wins | -0.01per pick | 36cpaid | -4.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x150c…add3backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 136.99$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.99 | 206 | 70.4%145 W · 61 L | +2.0wins | +0.01per pick | 69cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x98bd…8a55backed Lorenzo Giustino | 79c | 126.58$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$26.58 | 88 | 45.5%40 W · 48 L | -9.5wins | -0.11per pick | 56cpaid | -18.5%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x7629…ef05backed Lorenzo Giustino | 80c | 125$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$25 | 372 | 62.9%234 W · 138 L | -3.5wins | -0.01per pick | 64cpaid | -2.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x88a9…e618backed Jack Loge | 25c | 120$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30 | 925 | 54.8%507 W · 418 L | +15.9wins | +0.02per pick | 53cpaid | +2.9%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0b56…a082backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 120$88 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$32.4 | 425 | 63.3%269 W · 156 L | +7.5wins | +0.02per pick | 62cpaid | +2.8%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9bdb…a90dbacked Jack Loge | 12c | 120$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.4 | 269 | 21.2%57 W · 212 L | -10.2wins | -0.04per pick | 25cpaid | -24.7%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8ce0…9d0bbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 68c | 113.24$77 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.24 | 241 | 59.3%143 W · 98 L | -0.7wins | 0.00per pick | 60cpaid | -4.4%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xbfd7…f0bfbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 105.24$76 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$28.86 | 7,816 | 50.6%3,958 W · 3,858 L | +95.4wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -4.6%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xde9f…d43cbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 77c | 104.35$80 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24.48 | 6,599 | 50.7%3,343 W · 3,256 L | +259.7wins | +0.04per pick | 47cpaid | -4.9%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xb684…b250backed Jack Loge | 32c | 103.13$33 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33 | 61 | 49.2%30 W · 31 L | -0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +0.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x2b35…0bfebacked Lorenzo Giustino | 63c | 102.75$65 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$37.88 | 1,541 | 49.2%758 W · 783 L | +16.2wins | +0.01per pick | 48cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5929…4684backed Jack Loge | 31c | 100.82$31 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$31.28 | 3,677 | 54.8%2,015 W · 1,662 L | +107.4wins | +0.03per pick | 52cpaid | -1.5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x6f2e…7c7bbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 100.66$74 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$27 | 1,065 | 57.4%611 W · 454 L | +20.9wins | +0.02per pick | 55cpaid | +2.5%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x1df2…89a0backed Jack Loge | 19c | 92.06$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$17.39 | 2,065 | 35.2%727 W · 1,338 L | -52.7wins | -0.03per pick | 38cpaid | -19.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9b87…8a0dbacked Jack Loge | 14c | 86.28$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.08 | 33 | 33.3%11 W · 22 L | +0.7wins | +0.02per pick | 31cpaid | -12.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8a80…11c5backed Lorenzo Giustino | 77c | 80$61 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.7 | 739 | 51.7%382 W · 357 L | -4.9wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -6.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x64e8…7819backed Jack Loge | 27c | 73.22$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19.72 | 1,882 | 35.5%669 W · 1,213 L | +26.8wins | +0.01per pick | 34cpaid | +4.8%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1a1e…f992backed Jack Loge | 41c | 73.17$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30 | 654 | 34.9%228 W · 426 L | -28.0wins | -0.04per pick | 39cpaid | -14.3%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xeb55…0de3backed Lorenzo Giustino | 68c | 72.9$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$23.33 | 14 | 50%7 W · 7 L | -1.7wins | -0.12per pick | 62cpaid | -18%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x1d0a…ea32backed Jack Loge | 15c | 70.33$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.62 | 436 | 18.3%80 W · 356 L | -21.4wins | -0.05per pick | 23cpaid | -32.9%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xe8e0…7eecbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 76c | 70$53 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17 | 1,175 | 52.9%622 W · 553 L | +2.3wins | 0.00per pick | 53cpaid | -3.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6384…3d67backed Jack Loge | 37c | 68.53$25 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$25.19 | 120 | 61.7%74 W · 46 L | +2.1wins | +0.02per pick | 60cpaid | +3.5%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2ef9…11b4backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 68.49$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.49 | 164 | 67.7%111 W · 53 L | +2.3wins | +0.01per pick | 66cpaid | +2.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x160b…4296backed Jack Loge | 27c | 60.33$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.29 | 1,658 | 49.9%828 W · 830 L | +7.9wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0x42a1…a8e9backed Lorenzo Giustino | 74c | 60$45 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.5 | 394 | 51.3%202 W · 192 L | -3.9wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -9.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x775d…6bebbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 75c | 60$45 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.05 | 1,767 | 52.1%920 W · 847 L | -2.2wins | 0.00per pick | 52cpaid | -6.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5210…bd53backed Lorenzo Giustino | 69c | 58.42$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.2 | 3,874 | 45.4%1,758 W · 2,116 L | -39.6wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbdbe…e45bbacked Jack Loge | 25c | 53.68$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.42 | 330 | 48.8%161 W · 169 L | -12.3wins | -0.04per pick | 53cpaid | -9.3%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xd218…b5c9backed Lorenzo Giustino | 68c | 50$34 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$16 | 6,720 | 36.9%2,479 W · 4,241 L | -95.8wins | -0.01per pick | 38cpaid | -20.5%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x54d1…3abfbacked Jack Loge | 27c | 48.37$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13 | 267 | 34.1%91 W · 176 L | -4.4wins | -0.02per pick | 36cpaid | -5.8%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x42c9…9623backed Lorenzo Giustino | 67c | 48.14$32 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.73 | 4,703 | 49.4%2,323 W · 2,380 L | +166.5wins | +0.04per pick | 46cpaid | -3.7%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x5a9c…c9c4backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 47.95$35 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$12.95 | 10 | 80%8 W · 2 L | +1.2wins | +0.12per pick | 68cpaid | +21.2%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x3bce…db46backed Jack Loge | 41c | 39.02$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16 | 158 | 54.4%86 W · 72 L | +5.1wins | +0.03per pick | 51cpaid | +5.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xf18a…e4e5backed Jack Loge | 28c | 36.83$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.44 | 2,343 | 51.6%1,209 W · 1,134 L | +95.2wins | +0.04per pick | 48cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x12d5…e65abacked Jack Loge | 33c | 36.75$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12 | 92 | 50%46 W · 46 L | +6.3wins | +0.07per pick | 43cpaid | +13.9%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x6e97…8504backed Lorenzo Giustino | 71c | 35.28$25 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.28 | 96 | 59.4%57 W · 39 L | +1.3wins | +0.01per pick | 58cpaid | +3.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9a51…bf4cbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 79c | 31.2$25 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.55 | 204 | 54.9%112 W · 92 L | +9.5wins | +0.05per pick | 50cpaid | +10.8%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x629d…756cbacked Lorenzo Giustino | 75c | 30$23 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.44 | 2,082 | 52.3%1,088 W · 994 L | +19.0wins | +0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -5.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xddb6…b9b3backed Lorenzo Giustino | 75c | 30$23 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.44 | 1,725 | 52.2%901 W · 824 L | -8.0wins | 0.00per pick | 53cpaid | -5.2%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x98db…dd17backed Lorenzo Giustino | 76c | 23.27$18 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.56 | 5,350 | 56.4%3,016 W · 2,334 L | +228.4wins | +0.04per pick | 52cpaid | -6.4%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x476e…cfb9backed Lorenzo Giustino | 69c | 23$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.23 | 350 | 60.9%213 W · 137 L | -4.7wins | -0.01per pick | 62cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2272…95a2backed Lorenzo Giustino | 74c | 21.77$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.61 | 72 | 62.5%45 W · 27 L | +2.9wins | +0.04per pick | 58cpaid | +14%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x3637…21a4backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 21$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.67 | 90 | 61.1%55 W · 35 L | -3.6wins | -0.04per pick | 65cpaid | -6.3%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x760d…0786backed Lorenzo Giustino | 64c | 20$13 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.3 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -0.3wins | -0.10per pick | 44cpaid | -47.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5d63…9075backed Lorenzo Giustino | 77c | 18.24$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.14 | 877 | 41.3%362 W · 515 L | -14.3wins | -0.02per pick | 43cpaid | -14.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8766…4171backed Lorenzo Giustino | 65c | 17$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.02 | 85 | 54.1%46 W · 39 L | -1.1wins | -0.01per pick | 55cpaid | -12.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdb83…1e50backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 15.12$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.03 | 3,661 | 45.2%1,654 W · 2,007 L | -8.7wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -12.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xcee6…0a45backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 15$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.05 | 491 | 51.7%254 W · 237 L | -4.5wins | -0.01per pick | 53cpaid | -0.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6d10…b3d0backed Lorenzo Giustino | 72c | 15$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.2 | 821 | 59.4%488 W · 333 L | +3.8wins | 0.00per pick | 59cpaid | +0.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb868…5e23backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 14.45$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.9 | 56 | 51.8%29 W · 27 L | -5.2wins | -0.09per pick | 61cpaid | -16.9%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x4eb2…8578backed Lorenzo Giustino | 73c | 14.38$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.88 | 32 | 56.3%18 W · 14 L | -2.2wins | -0.07per pick | 63cpaid | -8.8%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Tennis and say nothing about this market.
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.