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Dota2 · resolved market

Game Handicap: FLC (-1.5) vs Vici Gaming (+1.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Vici Gamingof Team Falcons, Vici Gaming
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$76,350
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$80,114

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $76,350 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 133 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xd8ff…473dbacked Vici Gaming45c10,000$4,525 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,474.981020%2 W · 8 L-1.6wins-0.16per pick36cpaid-56.2%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x99e4…e4c4backed Team Falcons57c9,000$5,130 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,13011547%54 W · 61 L-4.2wins-0.04per pick51cpaid-9.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x7645…3117backed Vici Gaming43c6,000$2,580 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,419.9915544.5%69 W · 86 L-5.3wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-8.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1e52…eb43backed Vici Gaming42c5,550$2,331 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,219.05650%3 W · 3 L-0.4wins-0.07per pick57cpaid-9.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x7e5e…7315backed Team Falcons56c5,100$2,856 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,855.972138.1%8 W · 13 L-2.6wins-0.12per pick51cpaid-38.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x4cb0…57e0backed Vici Gaming43c5,000$2,150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,8503953.8%21 W · 18 L+1.7wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+8.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfcc7…4d38backed Team Falcons54c4,671$2,523 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,522.531471.4%10 W · 4 L+1.4wins+0.10per pick61cpaid+14.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xc746…3943backed Team Falcons51c3,920$1,999 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,9996440.6%26 W · 38 L-5.5wins-0.09per pick49cpaid-22.8%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x183f…85e3backed Vici Gaming44c3,620$1,593 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,027.215848.1%76 W · 82 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-4.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcf60…a6f5backed Team Falcons58c3,500$2,030 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,03011953.8%64 W · 55 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-1.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x67bb…b6efbacked Team Falcons57c3,396$1,936 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,935.6528159.8%168 W · 113 L+6.6wins+0.02per pick57cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf7c2…9b8dbacked Team Falcons57c3,134$1,787 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,786.5325549%125 W · 130 L+9.4wins+0.04per pick45cpaid+7.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x6b97…8d30backed Vici Gaming46c3,130$1,440 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,689.9736248.6%176 W · 186 L+5.2wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1f2d…2b35backed Team Falcons57c3,000$1,710 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,71053652.6%282 W · 254 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-1.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa83f…b857backed Team Falcons54c2,068$1,117 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,116.726547.7%31 W · 34 L+1.1wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+34.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb9ab…f282backed Vici Gaming44c2,000$880 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,12019742.1%83 W · 114 L-12.6wins-0.06per pick49cpaid-16%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x26d6…56efbacked Vici Gaming42c2,000$840 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,159.9956542.8%242 W · 323 L+5.1wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa557…6e77backed Team Falcons54c1,980$1,069 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,069.29850%49 W · 49 L-0.9wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-7.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb726…4d2bbacked Team Falcons58c1,789$1,038 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,037.545253.8%28 W · 24 L+3.9wins+0.08per pick46cpaid+16.8%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x9ff4…d731backed Team Falcons51c1,565$794 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$794.29744.3%43 W · 54 L-3.5wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-12.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x3471…f17ebacked Vici Gaming49c1,527$753 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$773.421,15547.8%552 W · 603 L+29.5wins+0.03per pick45cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x7951…bb41backed Team Falcons57c1,500$855 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85564744.4%287 W · 360 L+13.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x056b…303ebacked Team Falcons56c1,433$800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$80020%0 W · 2 L-1.1wins-0.56per pick56cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x0caa…c16cbacked Team Falcons55c1,384$761 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$761.23540%2 W · 3 L-0.5wins-0.09per pick49cpaid-6.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7dc6…4b55backed Team Falcons58c1,379$800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8001040%4 W · 6 L-1.0wins-0.10per pick50cpaid-28.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa3c2…df3dbacked Vici Gaming44c1,236$538 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$697.529052.2%47 W · 43 L+1.9wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+5.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3cec…d241backed Vici Gaming44c1,136$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$636.361855.6%10 W · 8 L+1.8wins+0.10per pick46cpaid+7.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x0c67…d062backed Vici Gaming44c1,117$492 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$625.721,13742.3%481 W · 656 L-27.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x40ce…bf90backed Vici Gaming44c1,000$440 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56018550.8%94 W · 91 L+5.8wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+7.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfb07…e2ccbacked Team Falcons57c950$542 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$541.510040%40 W · 60 L-6.0wins-0.06per pick46cpaid-6.9%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x657a…d1f4backed Vici Gaming42c875.92$368 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$508.041136.4%4 W · 7 L-0.4wins-0.04per pick40cpaid-20.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2d39…6053backed Vici Gaming51c823.38$418 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$405.821,03647.2%489 W · 547 L+15.3wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-9.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x5537…f9c8backed Team Falcons53c727.41$385 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$38521353.5%114 W · 99 L-5.4wins-0.03per pick56cpaid-8.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7e8a…5f49backed Team Falcons56c589.97$330 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$330.387263.9%46 W · 26 L+2.1wins+0.03per pick61cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4f41…547cbacked Team Falcons50c571.48$286 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$285.7413142.7%56 W · 75 L-6.7wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-23.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xed10…15edbacked Team Falcons58c510.75$296 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$296.2488166.7%588 W · 293 L+76.3wins+0.09per pick58cpaid+12.5%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x9c15…5b4bbacked Vici Gaming45c510$230 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$280.5366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.22per pick45cpaid+31.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x0a7c…8964backed Vici Gaming46c500.85$230 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$270.4641050.2%206 W · 204 L-3.5wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5011…94b4backed Team Falcons50c500$250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25024636.6%90 W · 156 L-14.4wins-0.06per pick42cpaid-24.8%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x0328…bd17backed Team Falcons58c500$290 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2908957.3%51 W · 38 L+2.3wins+0.03per pick55cpaid+4.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf7d6…cab5backed Team Falcons54c500$270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27051364.9%333 W · 180 L+16.4wins+0.03per pick62cpaid+0.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc128…7834backed Team Falcons57c500$285 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2851752.9%9 W · 8 L-0.5wins-0.03per pick56cpaid-5.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcc36…d35dbacked Vici Gaming45c500$225 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2754645.7%21 W · 25 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick47cpaid+2.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5b62…d87fbacked Team Falcons57c500$285 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$28526846.6%125 W · 143 L-7.5wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-4.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x6b68…08bbbacked Team Falcons54c497$268 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$268.3810%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.54per pick54cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x10d4…d953backed Vici Gaming43c469.98$202 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$267.891435.7%5 W · 9 L-0.9wins-0.07per pick42cpaid-25.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xe341…354dbacked Vici Gaming44c454.55$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$254.553764.9%24 W · 13 L+5.8wins+0.16per pick49cpaid+33%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0xa371…eaa5backed Team Falcons54c451.85$244 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$24414643.8%64 W · 82 L-8.2wins-0.06per pick49cpaid-10.8%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xc8a1…ceb5backed Team Falcons58c448.28$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2601369.2%9 W · 4 L+0.6wins+0.05per pick64cpaid+8.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf206…df39backed Vici Gaming42c433.79$184 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$249.7916963.3%107 W · 62 L+6.1wins+0.04per pick60cpaid+5.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Vici Gaming44c400$176 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2241,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x180c…cd04backed Team Falcons57c400$228 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22843738.4%168 W · 269 L-1.8wins0.00per pick39cpaid-8.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xef20…8f64backed Team Falcons54c400$216 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2161936.8%7 W · 12 L-1.0wins-0.05per pick42cpaid+1.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6281…e326backed Team Falcons56c400$224 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2243935.9%14 W · 25 L0.0wins0.00per pick36cpaid-19.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0d72…a791backed Team Falcons56c375$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$210955.6%5 W · 4 L-0.5wins-0.05per pick61cpaid-10.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x591d…f4dfbacked Team Falcons54c370.37$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2009942.4%42 W · 57 L-4.9wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-12%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x41a5…75bbbacked Vici Gaming44c350.3$154 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$196.1761449.5%304 W · 310 L+9.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+4.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8e19…d2b0backed Team Falcons52c347.33$181 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$180.6112547.2%59 W · 66 L-2.8wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3308…f04bbacked Vici Gaming54c334.51$181 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$153.0535850.6%181 W · 177 L+6.9wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-10.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdc2b…cec3backed Team Falcons52c319.26$166 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$166.024047.5%19 W · 21 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-5.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xca7c…e994backed Vici Gaming43c314.06$135 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$179.0123149.4%114 W · 117 L+1.6wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x84d9…76dbbacked Vici Gaming44c300$131 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$169.426741.9%112 W · 155 L-6.1wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-6.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2b35…0bfebacked Team Falcons56c292.47$164 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$163.7826445.1%119 W · 145 L-4.9wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-4.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xdc7d…8895backed Team Falcons57c263.16$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15028252.5%148 W · 134 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-3.8%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xee45…200abacked Team Falcons57c263.16$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15018046.1%83 W · 97 L-7.5wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-10.3%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x35e7…8331backed Vici Gaming45c257.4$115 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$142.5633445.2%151 W · 183 L-3.2wins-0.01per pick46cpaid-3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5b5f…3397backed Team Falcons50c250$125 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12523746.8%111 W · 126 L+4.3wins+0.02per pick45cpaid+2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x18dd…cd39backed Team Falcons54c246.3$133 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$133250%1 W · 1 L-0.2wins-0.11per pick61cpaid-26.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb3f8…e0b1backed Vici Gaming44c227.27$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$127.2726343%113 W · 150 L+13.9wins+0.05per pick38cpaid+15.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x5006…48cabacked Vici Gaming45c208.05$94 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$114.434050%20 W · 20 L+0.6wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-12.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9e3e…f882backed Vici Gaming44c205.59$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$115.1337745.9%173 W · 204 L-6.7wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-12.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5d59…bdf3backed Team Falcons57c202.19$114 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$114.2567555%371 W · 304 L+8.2wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+0.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa949…7f5bbacked Team Falcons50c200$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10019849%97 W · 101 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-8.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x9048…d351backed Team Falcons54c185.19$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1009640.6%39 W · 57 L-7.5wins-0.08per pick48cpaid-20.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xf07b…def2backed Team Falcons58c182.76$106 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1068247.6%39 W · 43 L+0.1wins0.00per pick47cpaid+5.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x524f…2642backed Team Falcons54c179.94$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$97.172433.3%8 W · 16 L-3.2wins-0.13per pick46cpaid-19.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xf7f0…912cbacked Vici Gaming43c167.54$72 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$95.512155.4%67 W · 54 L+7.9wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+134.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x8935…7daabacked Team Falcons56c161.46$90 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$90.291,15447.7%550 W · 604 L-12.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-12.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf99c…3f0abacked Vici Gaming44c154.55$68 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$86.559161.5%56 W · 35 L+3.9wins+0.04per pick57cpaid+6.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2338…27f6backed Team Falcons54c144.44$78 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7811444.7%51 W · 63 L-3.9wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-9.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x12d3…42e4backed Team Falcons54c138.89$75 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$757847.4%37 W · 41 L+3.7wins+0.05per pick43cpaid+11.1%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x4836…859bbacked Team Falcons57c135.01$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$76.289952.5%52 W · 47 L+2.2wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3776…e17abacked Team Falcons57c118$67 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67.263865.8%25 W · 13 L+3.9wins+0.10per pick56cpaid+15.4%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xc22a…a35cbacked Vici Gaming43c116.28$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$66.2813540.7%55 W · 80 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick42cpaid+3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xeaae…ec88backed Vici Gaming44c113.64$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$63.6417146.8%80 W · 91 L+8.2wins+0.05per pick42cpaid+7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x26c6…1e14backed Vici Gaming44c108.6$48 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60.824247.6%20 W · 22 L-0.9wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-9.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x2458…bd24backed Team Falcons57c105.26$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$604553.3%24 W · 21 L+0.4wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-5.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xac68…f1fcbacked Team Falcons57c100$57 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5710446.2%48 W · 56 L-11.9wins-0.11per pick58cpaid-23%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0xb0cb…85babacked Vici Gaming43c100$43 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$572725.9%7 W · 20 L-4.4wins-0.16per pick42cpaid-23.1%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x95e9…67b6backed Team Falcons56c98.14$55 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5518550.8%94 W · 91 L-2.8wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-2.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4038…35e4backed Team Falcons52c94$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48.884841.7%20 W · 28 L-3.6wins-0.08per pick49cpaid-21.5%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x04a7…164bbacked Team Falcons57c92.27$53 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$52.574957.1%28 W · 21 L+3.2wins+0.07per pick51cpaid+17.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x14f3…0796backed Vici Gaming44c92.07$41 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$51.5634041.2%140 W · 200 L-10.3wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-15%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x45a8…c8afbacked Team Falcons55c91$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$506845.6%31 W · 37 L-1.2wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-12.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd6a8…58fdbacked Vici Gaming49c91$45 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$46.417440.5%30 W · 44 L+2.0wins+0.03per pick38cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x98ba…4212backed Team Falcons58c88.09$51 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$51.093336.4%12 W · 21 L-4.0wins-0.12per pick48cpaid-30.4%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x0ff8…3a15backed Team Falcons58c86.21$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$502770.4%19 W · 8 L+5.6wins+0.21per pick50cpaid+44%equal weight62+0.11 edge/pick
0x31e7…fe2abacked Team Falcons51c78.43$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$404025%10 W · 30 L-5.0wins-0.13per pick38cpaid-25.1%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x97ee…1f82backed Team Falcons54c74.07$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40742.9%3 W · 4 L-0.5wins-0.07per pick50cpaid-11.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x25a4…69f6backed Team Falcons57c70$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39.9966.7%6 W · 3 L+0.5wins+0.06per pick61cpaid+4.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 6 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.