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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Virtus.pro (BO3)

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Virtus.proof Team Liquid, Virtus.pro
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$120,517
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$150,179

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $120,517 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 130 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xb3dd…a7e0backed Team Liquid75c7,856$5,920 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,919.9613155%72 W · 59 L+2.1wins+0.02per pick53cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Virtus.pro27c6,791$1,863 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,928.311,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4572…83ffbacked Virtus.pro29c5,229$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,729.453451.7%276 W · 258 L+2.3wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xec61…4a2ebacked Team Liquid56c5,000$2,790 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,789.9910941.3%45 W · 64 L-3.8wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-15.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xfe3f…0fcfbacked Team Liquid80c4,800$3,840 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,84086659.6%516 W · 350 L-8.6wins-0.01per pick61cpaid-2.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb744…5210backed Virtus.pro19c4,287$815 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,472.362133.3%7 W · 14 L-0.9wins-0.04per pick38cpaid-1.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x08c2…c023backed Virtus.pro64c4,220$2,722 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,498.3948954.6%267 W · 222 L+23.6wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+3.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Team Liquid53c3,190$1,705 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,704.5773841.7%308 W · 430 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3450…6793backed Team Liquid72c3,093$2,222 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,2222650%13 W · 13 L-2.3wins-0.09per pick59cpaid-24.2%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xd9a3…b1dfbacked Team Liquid78c2,914$2,259 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,259.0110048%48 W · 52 L-0.5wins0.00per pick48cpaid-2.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Virtus.pro42c2,908$1,219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,689.289749.6%445 W · 452 L+22.4wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xecbe…42ffbacked Virtus.pro24c2,393$584 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,809.2916232.7%53 W · 109 L+6.4wins+0.04per pick29cpaid-29.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x827a…8a2bbacked Virtus.pro20c2,007$394 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,613.168046.3%37 W · 43 L-3.9wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-7.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x5388…4d5abacked Virtus.pro19c2,000$380 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,619.9821847.2%103 W · 115 L+16.5wins+0.08per pick40cpaid+16.3%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x1464…5e75backed Team Liquid79c1,782$1,414 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,413.8112351.2%63 W · 60 L-7.0wins-0.06per pick57cpaid-12.3%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xc75a…1ab2backed Team Liquid13c1,728$218 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$217.9640014.8%59 W · 341 L+11.2wins+0.03per pick12cpaid-1.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x033e…1bb9backed Virtus.pro33c1,515$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,015.2256848.8%277 W · 291 L-1.1wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1f2d…2b35backed Team Liquid66c1,500$990 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$989.9953652.6%282 W · 254 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-1.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc192…086cbacked Virtus.pro31c1,484$460 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,023.9614538.6%56 W · 89 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick38cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x57ba…d369backed Virtus.pro69c1,446$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$445.5714648.6%71 W · 75 L-8.7wins-0.06per pick55cpaid-14%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xd23d…f322backed Team Liquid79c1,372$1,086 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,085.95459.3%32 W · 22 L+2.2wins+0.04per pick55cpaid-2.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xcb30…302abacked Virtus.pro39c1,290$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$789.5610451%53 W · 51 L-3.6wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-7.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x391d…def1backed Virtus.pro21c1,190$246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$944.845935.6%21 W · 38 L-1.1wins-0.02per pick37cpaid-6.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd06c…cdafbacked Virtus.pro26c1,174$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$874.371,18643.2%512 W · 674 L+42.2wins+0.04per pick40cpaid+1.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x97e1…017bbacked Team Liquid27c1,167$312 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$311.8634146.6%159 W · 182 L+4.8wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-7.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3d39…b8a0backed Team Liquid41c1,018$419 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$419.472934.5%10 W · 19 L-0.8wins-0.03per pick37cpaid-32.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xaeb5…58e2backed Virtus.pro23c1,000$230 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$77020642.2%87 W · 119 L-0.9wins0.00per pick43cpaid-3.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4bfc…ce53backed Team Liquid1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1011647.4%55 W · 61 L-6.3wins-0.05per pick53cpaid-16.3%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xcbb5…5ed9backed Team Liquid79c905.62$715 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$715.52142.9%9 W · 12 L-1.9wins-0.09per pick52cpaid-16%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xb787…ad0abacked Virtus.pro28c847.45$241 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$606.6914446.5%67 W · 77 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-10.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x469f…3d4fbacked Virtus.pro59c846.91$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$346.9123546.8%110 W · 125 L+10.7wins+0.05per pick42cpaid0%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xb569…5695backed Virtus.pro40c777.44$311 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$466.4619047.9%91 W · 99 L-0.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid-5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe42b…7ea9backed Virtus.pro20c700$140 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56046535.1%163 W · 302 L+22.9wins+0.05per pick30cpaid+18.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xaa57…a128backed Team Liquid58c676.42$390 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39046664.2%299 W · 167 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick62cpaid-0.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xba05…f8c0backed Virtus.pro19c600$114 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48649133.6%165 W · 326 L+1.9wins0.00per pick33cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2a8c…fd3dbacked Virtus.pro19c522.25$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$422.2548539.2%190 W · 295 L-8.4wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-10.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x988d…9899backed Team Liquid80c500$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40013346.6%62 W · 71 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-3.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa157…8641backed Virtus.pro20c500$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4006131.1%19 W · 42 L-3.0wins-0.05per pick36cpaid-22.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xca67…c864backed Virtus.pro19c499.99$95 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$404.996240.3%25 W · 37 L+4.0wins+0.06per pick34cpaid+33.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xfadf…dda0backed Virtus.pro20c474.31$96 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$378.0229245.9%134 W · 158 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-1.6%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x83c8…3b6cbacked Virtus.pro31c472.23$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$325.8491356.1%512 W · 401 L+16.2wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+0.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x95e7…4152backed Virtus.pro54c462.24$251 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$211.682532%8 W · 17 L-3.5wins-0.14per pick46cpaid-38.9%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Virtus.pro20c436.51$87 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$349.7739936.8%147 W · 252 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+6.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked Virtus.pro27c422.08$113 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$309.031,90147.6%905 W · 996 L+4.6wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1bcb…b05abacked Virtus.pro20c419.45$84 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$335.5638049.2%187 W · 193 L+13.1wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+168.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xd397…5052backed Team Liquid67c404.36$271 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$270.9223465%152 W · 82 L-1.0wins0.00per pick65cpaid-0.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5fd8…a5bebacked Virtus.pro28c324.25$89 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$234.8720339.9%81 W · 122 L-0.5wins0.00per pick40cpaid-6.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9cf7…e5a5backed Virtus.pro31c322.58$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$222.5817342.8%74 W · 99 L+5.9wins+0.03per pick39cpaid+11.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2f28…e43ebacked Virtus.pro15c314.99$47 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$267.741735.3%6 W · 11 L+0.4wins+0.02per pick33cpaid+10.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7373…3964backed Virtus.pro20c300$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$24012755.1%70 W · 57 L+0.9wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+3.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8330…b88fbacked Virtus.pro9c300$26 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2748330.1%25 W · 58 L-3.9wins-0.05per pick35cpaid-16.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x5a3c…93d7backed Virtus.pro20c300$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2401741.2%7 W · 10 L+0.9wins+0.05per pick36cpaid+60.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa226…5092backed Virtus.pro18c300$55 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2453231.3%10 W · 22 L-0.5wins-0.02per pick33cpaid+14.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5c87…ba37backed Team Liquid20c299.99$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$60333.3%1 W · 2 L0.0wins+0.02per pick32cpaid-33.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0a20…42c4backed Team Liquid33c299.99$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1001540%6 W · 9 L+1.7wins+0.12per pick28cpaid+0.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xe3d4…2bacbacked Team Liquid69c299.98$207 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$206.9816665.7%109 W · 57 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick65cpaid+4.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xecb1…36f3backed Team Liquid80c285.94$229 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$228.7510%0 W · 1 L-0.8wins-0.80per pick80cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xeea6…135fbacked Team Liquid74c281.1$209 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$208.866142.6%26 W · 35 L+0.6wins+0.01per pick42cpaid-9.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xce24…6239backed Team Liquid56c280$158 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1585832.8%19 W · 39 L+0.3wins0.00per pick32cpaid-21.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x97ae…82bdbacked Virtus.pro21c249.99$52 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$197.498223.2%19 W · 63 L+3.1wins+0.04per pick19cpaid-23.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbd09…a188backed Virtus.pro18c244.61$45 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$199.4618452.2%96 W · 88 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+13.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x209e…8bb4backed Team Liquid80c235$188 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18880544.6%359 W · 446 L-25.8wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-8.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x8c61…470fbacked Team Liquid62c225.77$140 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1409544.2%42 W · 53 L-2.6wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-16.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1ffc…8967backed Virtus.pro21c221.27$47 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$174.622033.6%74 W · 146 L-0.6wins0.00per pick34cpaid-7.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x75e1…3ff3backed Virtus.pro69c217.39$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.391963.2%12 W · 7 L+0.6wins+0.03per pick60cpaid+10.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6394…090dbacked Team Liquid72c210.63$152 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$151.652272.7%16 W · 6 L+2.5wins+0.11per pick61cpaid+32.3%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf060…b07abacked Virtus.pro32c208.17$66 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$141.711520%3 W · 12 L-2.4wins-0.16per pick36cpaid-48.8%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xa67d…a852backed Team Liquid74c202.7$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$150837.5%3 W · 5 L-1.7wins-0.21per pick59cpaid-44.6%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x687c…8c91backed Team Liquid5c200$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1014254.2%77 W · 65 L+7.2wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+1.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xfed0…0585backed Team Liquid39c176.1$69 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$69.44812.5%1 W · 7 L-2.4wins-0.30per pick43cpaid-79.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x8031…67e0backed Virtus.pro35c173.2$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.273743.6%321 W · 416 L-10.8wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xb261…f3a0backed Team Liquid31c155$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48.657554.7%41 W · 34 L+5.0wins+0.07per pick48cpaid+6.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xbac5…27d0backed Virtus.pro67c154.33$103 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$51.331566.7%10 W · 5 L0.0wins0.00per pick67cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb3b6…1765backed Team Liquid65c153.85$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1009244.6%41 W · 51 L-5.1wins-0.06per pick50cpaid-21.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x440c…a4f1backed Virtus.pro26c153.79$40 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.793100%3 W · 0 L+1.9wins+0.62per pick38cpaid+181.9%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x073a…6f98backed Virtus.pro33c153.33$51 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$102.720361.6%125 W · 78 L+22.0wins+0.11per pick51cpaid+12%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0x730e…fca0backed Team Liquid39c150$58 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58.0620535.1%72 W · 133 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick36cpaid-21%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1f04…5fc4backed Team Liquid67c149.25$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10031545.4%143 W · 172 L-19.2wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xb861…27ffbacked Team Liquid50c145.33$73 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$72.568247.6%39 W · 43 L-2.1wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-5.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb358…122cbacked Team Liquid74c139.15$102 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$102.35635.7%20 W · 36 L-10.2wins-0.18per pick54cpaid-39.8%equal weight36-0.13 edge/pick
0x693c…a7edbacked Virtus.pro31c129.03$40 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.033852.6%20 W · 18 L+1.9wins+0.05per pick48cpaid-0.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xdf43…ae9abacked Team Liquid79c128.1$101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.24351.2%22 W · 21 L-3.5wins-0.08per pick59cpaid-11.2%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xfce7…cc16backed Virtus.pro25c114.95$28 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$86.452250%11 W · 11 L+1.1wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+21.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1182…b6bbbacked Virtus.pro29c105$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.553141.9%13 W · 18 L-3.3wins-0.11per pick52cpaid-17.7%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x047a…941ebacked Team Liquid60c102.5$62 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$61.523640.7%96 W · 140 L-10.6wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-12.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xd960…1adebacked Virtus.pro21c100$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7933945.1%153 W · 186 L+12.3wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xbb07…0769backed Team Liquid11c100$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11119.1%1 W · 10 L-0.1wins-0.01per pick10cpaid-41.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5165…252bbacked Virtus.pro10c100$10 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$903240.6%13 W · 19 L+1.4wins+0.04per pick36cpaid+23.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x115d…1691backed Team Liquid79c100$79 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7914244.4%63 W · 79 L+4.0wins+0.03per pick42cpaid-1.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x5124…91bbbacked Team Liquid77c100$77 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$77714.3%1 W · 6 L-3.3wins-0.48per pick62cpaid-81.4%equal weight38-0.10 edge/pick
0xd17d…d0eebacked Virtus.pro20c100$20 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8019246.4%89 W · 103 L-6.4wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-10.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4ffe…9f71backed Virtus.pro18c99$18 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.236169.7%60 W · 556 L-2.0wins0.00per pick10cpaid-53.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf61d…1ab7backed Virtus.pro21c95.24$20 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$75.242100%2 W · 0 L+1.3wins+0.67per pick33cpaid+246.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xc016…8c74backed Virtus.pro30c84.93$25 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$59.452035%7 W · 13 L-1.9wins-0.09per pick44cpaid-4.4%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x62b7…f260backed Virtus.pro23c83.07$19 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$64.0720735.3%73 W · 134 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick36cpaid-9.4%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xe08c…e03cbacked Team Liquid47c79.41$37 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$372240.9%9 W · 13 L-0.8wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-24.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb8ab…f5c1backed Team Liquid66c75.76$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5013157.3%75 W · 56 L-0.4wins0.00per pick58cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf051…a54cbacked Virtus.pro20c70.8$15 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56.297149.3%35 W · 36 L+6.1wins+0.09per pick41cpaid+16.3%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0e3d…d3e6backed Virtus.pro21c70.71$15 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$55.86366.7%2 W · 1 L+1.1wins+0.38per pick29cpaid+165.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x6684…95d1backed Team Liquid74c67.57$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$505062%31 W · 19 L+1.2wins+0.02per pick60cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.