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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Natus Vincere vs Team Yandex (BO1) - BLAST Slam Group Stage

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Yandexof Natus Vincere, Team Yandex
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$139,611
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$146,971

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $139,611 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 142 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xf9b5…09eebacked Team Yandex54c28,064$15,033 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$13,030.5355157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xff80…9b4dbacked Natus Vincere47c23,124$10,762 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,762.4917444.8%78 W · 96 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-6.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0dcf…c556backed Natus Vincere52c22,000$11,440 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,439.9833746.3%156 W · 181 L-4.2wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-4.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xac47…d234backed Natus Vincere43c20,561$8,841 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8,841.222133.3%7 W · 14 L-2.8wins-0.13per pick47cpaid-38.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x9c82…1f13backed Team Yandex56c10,474$5,903 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,570.754445.5%20 W · 24 L-0.5wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-10.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5e88…5ddabacked Team Yandex54c8,063$4,328 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,735.587562.7%47 W · 28 L+11.2wins+0.15per pick48cpaid+24.7%equal weight62+0.11 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Team Yandex56c7,418$4,120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,298.11,57743.9%692 W · 885 L-10.4wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-8.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xac70…2d8dbacked Natus Vincere44c7,000$3,080 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,079.999245.7%42 W · 50 L+3.4wins+0.04per pick42cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Team Yandex52c6,279$3,243 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,035.611,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3471…f17ebacked Team Yandex55c5,785$3,159 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,626.591,15547.8%552 W · 603 L+29.5wins+0.03per pick45cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xf588…2b81backed Team Yandex58c5,289$3,059 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,230.1415047.3%71 W · 79 L+7.0wins+0.05per pick43cpaid-6.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x30db…07c3backed Natus Vincere44c5,028$2,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,20054445.8%249 W · 295 L-10.5wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3833…33d1backed Team Yandex57c4,483$2,555 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,928.2442650%213 W · 213 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9e04…28a9backed Team Yandex48c4,000$1,920 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,08017651.1%90 W · 86 L+10.7wins+0.06per pick45cpaid+12.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x5d81…294abacked Team Yandex54c3,714$2,006 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,708.441030%3 W · 7 L-2.4wins-0.24per pick54cpaid-42.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xb077…8fe8backed Natus Vincere48c3,141$1,499 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,499.2419148.7%93 W · 98 L-5.6wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-4.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4173…d3edbacked Natus Vincere2c2,582$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50250%1 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.21per pick29cpaid-10.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x69ba…c976backed Natus Vincere2c2,333$43 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$43.362951.7%15 W · 14 L+1.2wins+0.04per pick48cpaid-4.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x0659…d74dbacked Natus Vincere45c2,233$1,008 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,008.3185851.3%440 W · 418 L+30.8wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+7.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2133…7903backed Natus Vincere11c1,820$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20034443.9%151 W · 193 L-0.5wins0.00per pick44cpaid-10.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb04b…e2d4backed Natus Vincere45c1,800$810 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81016142.9%69 W · 92 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+0.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x081e…f76ebacked Team Yandex52c1,706$887 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$818.8833850.9%172 W · 166 L-1.9wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf104…d34cbacked Natus Vincere47c1,553$727 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$727.0311052.7%58 W · 52 L+7.6wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+2.2%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xbd1e…ff14backed Team Yandex56c1,296$725 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$571.3811253.6%60 W · 52 L-1.9wins-0.02per pick55cpaid+2%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x2da2…8c2bbacked Team Yandex56c1,191$662 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$528.410966.1%72 W · 37 L+5.9wins+0.05per pick61cpaid+10.2%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x9f7b…0cc9backed Natus Vincere43c1,163$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5007944.3%35 W · 44 L-8.8wins-0.11per pick55cpaid-20.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x4dde…cff5backed Natus Vincere45c1,128$508 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$508.133644%148 W · 188 L-4.7wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-3.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa97f…a818backed Team Yandex51c1,119$568 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$550.8558744%258 W · 329 L+13.3wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+5.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Team Yandex63c1,098$694 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$404.22,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x42b7…77dcbacked Natus Vincere48c1,042$496 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49699844.4%443 W · 555 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-0.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x74ef…1ac6backed Natus Vincere50c1,010$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50047660.7%289 W · 187 L-0.2wins0.00per pick61cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x033e…1bb9backed Natus Vincere48c1,000$480 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48056848.8%277 W · 291 L-1.1wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa558…1b44backed Natus Vincere47c1,000$470 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4703050%15 W · 15 L+2.7wins+0.09per pick41cpaid+29.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x7d80…ba3dbacked Natus Vincere43c925$396 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$396.251233.3%4 W · 8 L-2.1wins-0.17per pick51cpaid-31.5%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x2905…6255backed Natus Vincere46c863.86$399 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$399.23360.6%20 W · 13 L+2.9wins+0.09per pick52cpaid+18.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked Team Yandex57c825.34$470 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$354.91,90147.6%905 W · 996 L+4.6wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x19ff…d0d0backed Team Yandex55c800$440 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3603354.5%18 W · 15 L+0.1wins0.00per pick54cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x94a5…9838backed Natus Vincere45c799.95$359 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$359.216850%34 W · 34 L-4.3wins-0.06per pick56cpaid-15.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xd06c…cdafbacked Team Yandex55c727.98$400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$327.981,18643.2%512 W · 674 L+42.2wins+0.04per pick40cpaid+1.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xbfd7…f0bfbacked Natus Vincere43c719.19$309 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$309.252,37847.2%1,123 W · 1,255 L+15.8wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-7.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe23a…8518backed Natus Vincere47c700$329 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$328.92850%4 W · 4 L+0.3wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+13.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcbf4…e3a6backed Team Yandex53c686.48$364 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$322.659345.2%42 W · 51 L+5.4wins+0.06per pick39cpaid+14.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xacf6…41fcbacked Natus Vincere48c625$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30060646.9%284 W · 322 L+10.5wins+0.02per pick45cpaid+4.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x60b4…6313backed Team Yandex63c606.83$382 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$224.8316160.2%97 W · 64 L-8.5wins-0.05per pick66cpaid-7.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xccf5…42f2backed Natus Vincere49c605.18$298 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$298.3957455.4%318 W · 256 L+6.5wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb3bc…2f60backed Team Yandex55c599.99$330 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2705843.1%25 W · 33 L-1.0wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9f13…e0fdbacked Team Yandex58c597.05$346 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$250.761546.7%7 W · 8 L-0.1wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-8.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xeab6…d4c6backed Natus Vincere44c586.2$255 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$255.438540%34 W · 51 L-1.2wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-18.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Team Yandex53c533.51$285 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$248.3573841.7%308 W · 430 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbe5a…13f5backed Team Yandex53c513.48$273 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$240.8145046.7%210 W · 240 L-11.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x1f4f…46c2backed Team Yandex55c500$275 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$22536054.4%196 W · 164 L+12.1wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9d97…f2bebacked Natus Vincere46c481.83$221 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$221.044854.2%26 W · 22 L+2.9wins+0.06per pick48cpaid+7.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed Natus Vincere34c479.66$162 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$162.392,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x8b7c…5947backed Natus Vincere9c455$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$401435.7%5 W · 9 L-0.4wins-0.03per pick39cpaid-16.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x69a0…6e5ebacked Natus Vincere41c410.49$168 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1681050%5 W · 5 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-2.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7951…bb41backed Team Yandex56c400.01$224 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17664744.4%287 W · 360 L+13.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3a95…343bbacked Team Yandex58c399.98$232 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$167.9969835.2%246 W · 452 L+15.7wins+0.02per pick33cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa1ee…0267backed Natus Vincere48c399$191 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$190.561643.8%7 W · 9 L-1.8wins-0.11per pick55cpaid-18%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xef71…898bbacked Natus Vincere47c361$170 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$169.674736.2%17 W · 30 L-5.8wins-0.12per pick48cpaid-26.4%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xa35b…0eccbacked Natus Vincere42c357.14$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15017251.2%88 W · 84 L-11.0wins-0.06per pick58cpaid-15.2%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x9942…5c84backed Team Yandex57c352.81$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$152.8126453%140 W · 124 L+0.2wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdfe2…5f33backed Team Yandex57c349.95$199 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$150.481353.8%7 W · 6 L-0.3wins-0.02per pick56cpaid+1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3abf…b143backed Natus Vincere31c325.73$101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$100.633645.5%153 W · 183 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x249f…fed3backed Team Yandex48c314.52$151 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$163.5562650.5%316 W · 310 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5b64…eaf4backed Natus Vincere20c309.28$61 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$61.3517740.7%72 W · 105 L-11.0wins-0.06per pick47cpaid-25.4%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x9359…6aacbacked Natus Vincere15c300$45 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4510%0 W · 1 L-0.2wins-0.15per pick15cpaid-100%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1963…8122backed Natus Vincere52c299.5$156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155.749548.4%46 W · 49 L-9.6wins-0.10per pick59cpaid-19.8%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xf02e…8fb2backed Natus Vincere46c298.99$138 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$137.54633.3%2 W · 4 L-0.3wins-0.06per pick39cpaid-35.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x84f7…ade1backed Natus Vincere17c292$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48.599145.1%41 W · 50 L-1.6wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-14.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xa4bd…e8a2backed Team Yandex75c278.43$209 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$69.1334063.2%215 W · 125 L+38.9wins+0.11per pick52cpaid+13%equal weight62+0.11 edge/pick
0x82bf…de71backed Team Yandex65c225$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$79.1654753.6%293 W · 254 L+22.9wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+2.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x9147…baccbacked Natus Vincere45c222.22$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1006043.3%26 W · 34 L-2.7wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-11.7%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xc7c7…24c2backed Team Yandex58c214.92$124 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$90.5413061.5%80 W · 50 L+1.2wins+0.01per pick61cpaid-3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9021…bf4ebacked Team Yandex56c208.86$117 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$91.9366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.13per pick54cpaid+20.1%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x1976…e363backed Team Yandex53c201.02$106 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94.715646.4%26 W · 30 L+0.8wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-16.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5524…2f3cbacked Team Yandex52c200$104 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$966844.1%30 W · 38 L-3.3wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-12.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xb4f9…32b1backed Natus Vincere42c200$84 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8431245.8%143 W · 169 L+10.2wins+0.03per pick43cpaid-5.2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xcb79…6274backed Natus Vincere12c199.99$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2417152%89 W · 82 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-11.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2496…b93cbacked Natus Vincere23c195.83$46 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$46757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.6wins+0.08per pick49cpaid+11.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xcb5b…f243backed Team Yandex65c193.74$126 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.841,27245%572 W · 700 L-40.5wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-17.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc4b2…4ab2backed Natus Vincere49c190$93 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$92.728244%124 W · 158 L-5.1wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2fad…eee9backed Team Yandex55c181.82$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.822433.3%8 W · 16 L-2.5wins-0.11per pick44cpaid-31.3%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xf32d…bbbbbacked Team Yandex56c178.57$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$78.5761057.9%353 W · 257 L+2.8wins0.00per pick57cpaid+0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xff9d…af7cbacked Team Yandex56c178.57$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$78.57475%3 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.18per pick57cpaid+36.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x0719…c6b9backed Natus Vincere45c164.32$74 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$73.893023.3%7 W · 23 L+1.3wins+0.04per pick19cpaid-16.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x51ec…a7b9backed Natus Vincere7c159.99$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$119423.4%22 W · 72 L+0.3wins0.00per pick23cpaid-11.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xde4b…3b7dbacked Natus Vincere47c150$71 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$70.518952.9%100 W · 89 L+1.5wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-4.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0fd7…6c52backed Natus Vincere42c135$57 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$56.78934.8%31 W · 58 L-1.6wins-0.02per pick37cpaid-9.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x6c3c…0629backed Natus Vincere46c127.61$59 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58.72441.7%10 W · 14 L-1.8wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-20.6%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xa824…c9fcbacked Natus Vincere12c126.3$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1518053.3%96 W · 84 L+3.5wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+1.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5aad…c5adbacked Natus Vincere36c118.46$43 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$431711.8%2 W · 15 L-2.6wins-0.15per pick27cpaid-78.8%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x240a…63c1backed Natus Vincere44c107.89$47 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47.471040%4 W · 6 L-0.2wins-0.02per pick42cpaid+0.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcf82…6c06backed Natus Vincere42c107.14$45 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$455927.1%16 W · 43 L-6.5wins-0.11per pick38cpaid-30.4%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x41a9…0544backed Natus Vincere48c102.08$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49540%2 W · 3 L+0.2wins+0.04per pick36cpaid+28.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xed70…4f63backed Natus Vincere38c100$38 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$384045%18 W · 22 L-0.1wins0.00per pick45cpaid-5.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf035…0924backed Natus Vincere48c99.99$48 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47.812449.2%61 W · 63 L-2.8wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-2.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc770…a8e9backed Natus Vincere47c98.66$47 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$46.78520%1 W · 4 L-1.6wins-0.32per pick52cpaid-53%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xb44b…1c51backed Natus Vincere19c91.03$17 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$171827.8%5 W · 13 L-3.2wins-0.18per pick46cpaid-53.7%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xc3fc…5176backed Team Yandex54c88.53$48 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40.988543.5%37 W · 48 L-6.6wins-0.08per pick51cpaid-11.7%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x35a7…4293backed Natus Vincere41c87.5$36 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35.884535.6%16 W · 29 L-6.2wins-0.14per pick49cpaid-37.7%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.