Ncaa Basketball · resolved market
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Kennesaw State Owls
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What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Kennesaw State Owlsof Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, Kennesaw State Owls
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Ncaa Basketballevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $33,524
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $33,767
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $33,524 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 74 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Ncaa Basketball is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Ncaa Basketball | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0xd1ed…d7cbbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 64c | 3,136$2,011 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,125.25 | 1,540 | 41.3%636 W · 904 L | +4.7wins | 0.00per pick | 41cpaid | -16.4%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x42c1…e644backed Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 2,481$1,656 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$824.87 | 7 | 42.9%3 W · 4 L | -1.1wins | -0.15per pick | 58cpaid | -33.5%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x3f08…ed44backed Kennesaw State Owls | 74c | 2,000$1,480 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$520 | 464 | 46.8%217 W · 247 L | +6.4wins | +0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd218…b5c9backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 41c | 1,943$795 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$795.21 | 2,555 | 41.6%1,062 W · 1,493 L | -15.9wins | -0.01per pick | 42cpaid | -20.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xf41a…ea2bbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 30c | 1,787$544 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$543.79 | 2,687 | 48.5%1,303 W · 1,384 L | +4.8wins | 0.00per pick | 48cpaid | -0.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xe911…3d4ebacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 35c | 1,744$607 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$606.94 | 1,531 | 50.1%767 W · 764 L | +34.6wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -3.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2005…75eabacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 40c | 1,705$684 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$684.27 | 1,910 | 49.6%947 W · 963 L | +30.4wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | +0.8%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf9fe…366bbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 1,500$510 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$510 | 250 | 43.2%108 W · 142 L | -3.1wins | -0.01per pick | 44cpaid | -2.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7aa8…56dbbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 63c | 1,250$782 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$467.31 | 1,058 | 55.8%590 W · 468 L | +34.2wins | +0.03per pick | 53cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x57a8…6933backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 1,240$421 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$421.49 | 746 | 49.2%367 W · 379 L | +1.8wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +3.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x1341…0853backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 1,210$399 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$399.23 | 247 | 48.2%119 W · 128 L | -5.4wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -5.6%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xfc3e…776bbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 26c | 1,000$255 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$745 | 167 | 46.1%77 W · 90 L | +5.4wins | +0.03per pick | 43cpaid | +11.2%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xcdb8…abbebacked Kennesaw State Owls | 25c | 996.95$254 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$743.23 | 1,983 | 26.4%523 W · 1,460 L | -55.5wins | -0.03per pick | 29cpaid | -12%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xead1…c76abacked Kennesaw State Owls | 69c | 878$607 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$270.89 | 1,511 | 47.8%722 W · 789 L | -35.2wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0370…d000backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 38c | 797.2$300 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$300 | 940 | 36.9%347 W · 593 L | +8.6wins | +0.01per pick | 36cpaid | -5.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2f2b…0f9abacked Kennesaw State Owls | 72c | 620.42$447 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$173.72 | 407 | 55.8%227 W · 180 L | +14.8wins | +0.04per pick | 52cpaid | +6.2%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x2a9b…7303backed Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 606.06$406 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$200 | 130 | 52.3%68 W · 62 L | +6.8wins | +0.05per pick | 47cpaid | +11.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x783c…6900backed Kennesaw State Owls | 68c | 600$408 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$192 | 137 | 35%48 W · 89 L | -3.2wins | -0.02per pick | 37cpaid | -15.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe401…7b88backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 61c | 597.41$365 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$364.65 | 3,905 | 58.8%2,298 W · 1,607 L | +165.3wins | +0.04per pick | 55cpaid | +4.5%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x56be…57eebacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 36c | 563.28$200 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$200 | 36 | 38.9%14 W · 22 L | -2.0wins | -0.06per pick | 44cpaid | -16.6%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xdcc0…6872backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 540$178 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$178.2 | 160 | 51.3%82 W · 78 L | -1.0wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | +1.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2ffb…e82abacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 39c | 500$195 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$195 | 434 | 50%217 W · 217 L | +13.8wins | +0.03per pick | 47cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x507e…beaebacked Kennesaw State Owls | 57c | 495.12$280 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$214.71 | 5,946 | 49.3%2,932 W · 3,014 L | +163.0wins | +0.03per pick | 47cpaid | -0.9%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x09d2…cc27backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 45c | 484$220 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$219.6 | 368 | 45.7%168 W · 200 L | +4.3wins | +0.01per pick | 44cpaid | -10.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2e62…b22ebacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 373.47$123 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$123.23 | 82 | 30.5%25 W · 57 L | +2.5wins | +0.03per pick | 27cpaid | -30.8%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2dc4…0c92backed Kennesaw State Owls | 66c | 354.86$234 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$120.65 | 990 | 45.6%451 W · 539 L | +9.6wins | +0.01per pick | 45cpaid | +2.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xee61…debfbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 334.56$223 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$112.06 | 12,422 | 49.8%6,191 W · 6,231 L | +118.8wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5385…042fbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 35c | 318.79$110 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$110 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.35per pick | 35cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xb552…94a8backed Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 299$200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$98.67 | 605 | 48.9%296 W · 309 L | +10.3wins | +0.02per pick | 47cpaid | +3.5%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xc94a…9401backed Kennesaw State Owls | 66c | 257.73$170 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$87.63 | 20 | 45%9 W · 11 L | -0.6wins | -0.03per pick | 48cpaid | -6.1%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe588…7658backed Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 200$134 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66 | 18 | 50%9 W · 9 L | 0.0wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | -6.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x161a…4103backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 51c | 200$102 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$102 | 2,012 | 50%1,006 W · 1,006 L | +22.3wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -0.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe60a…6a47backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 35c | 200$71 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$70.77 | 2,579 | 47.3%1,221 W · 1,358 L | -42.7wins | -0.02per pick | 49cpaid | -6.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x17fd…976fbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 195.4$64 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$64.48 | 18 | 44.4%8 W · 10 L | -0.2wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | +63.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xfc8f…3782backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 31c | 179.31$55 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$54.97 | 668 | 31.4%210 W · 458 L | -43.1wins | -0.06per pick | 38cpaid | -23%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x94fa…989ebacked Kennesaw State Owls | 69c | 172.32$119 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$53.18 | 814 | 53.1%432 W · 382 L | -4.1wins | -0.01per pick | 54cpaid | +3.5%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x755a…9748backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 31c | 160.32$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$49.7 | 39 | 48.7%19 W · 20 L | -1.5wins | -0.04per pick | 52cpaid | -11.2%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xc091…3d42backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 70c | 154.94$108 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$107.77 | 722 | 48.8%352 W · 370 L | -23.6wins | -0.03per pick | 52cpaid | -7.2%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x19f8…98f9backed Kennesaw State Owls | 68c | 147.06$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$47.06 | 484 | 62.8%304 W · 180 L | -0.5wins | 0.00per pick | 63cpaid | -0.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xadc5…e2afbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 146.66$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$49.86 | 72 | 34.7%25 W · 47 L | -9.7wins | -0.14per pick | 48cpaid | -26.2%equal weight | 39-0.10 edge/pick |
| 0xd5a1…0544backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 144.64$49 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$49.18 | 259 | 46.3%120 W · 139 L | +5.1wins | +0.02per pick | 44cpaid | +5.9%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8214…ef72backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 28c | 112.63$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$31.54 | 194 | 46.4%90 W · 104 L | -3.6wins | -0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -9.7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9dd9…08bdbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 55c | 103$57 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$46.2 | 1,951 | 45.1%880 W · 1,071 L | -19.9wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -16.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xfefb…4b5dbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 58c | 102.53$59 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$59.29 | 1,887 | 45.2%853 W · 1,034 L | +6.5wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -15.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd610…4c9abacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 32c | 99.97$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$31.76 | 2,194 | 33.4%733 W · 1,461 L | +19.2wins | +0.01per pick | 33cpaid | -0.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0f8e…3082backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 77c | 97$75 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$74.65 | 3,684 | 42.8%1,576 W · 2,108 L | +32.6wins | +0.01per pick | 42cpaid | -5.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1d94…9100backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 31c | 85.86$27 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26.87 | 2,048 | 32.7%670 W · 1,378 L | -16.2wins | -0.01per pick | 34cpaid | -9.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6008…a80bbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 70c | 85.71$60 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$25.71 | 4,552 | 50.1%2,279 W · 2,273 L | -36.1wins | -0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -1.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xc5b5…7e80backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 82.03$28 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$28.28 | 2,003 | 53.7%1,076 W · 927 L | +101.7wins | +0.05per pick | 49cpaid | +2.8%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2652…2a1dbacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 28c | 75$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21.19 | 4,848 | 52.2%2,532 W · 2,316 L | +139.2wins | +0.03per pick | 49cpaid | +1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xb834…e4c1backed Kennesaw State Owls | 27c | 72.56$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$52.62 | 83 | 50.6%42 W · 41 L | +1.2wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbfd7…f0bfbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 54c | 65.42$35 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$30.27 | 1,667 | 36.4%607 W · 1,060 L | -4.0wins | 0.00per pick | 37cpaid | -7.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x989a…afbcbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 49c | 64.97$32 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$33.29 | 703 | 49.6%349 W · 354 L | -6.2wins | -0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -4.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0c9e…bba8backed Kennesaw State Owls | 68c | 63$43 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20.4 | 146 | 43.2%63 W · 83 L | -3.9wins | -0.03per pick | 46cpaid | -21.2%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x204f…5e14backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 32c | 55$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$17.58 | 5,553 | 47.4%2,634 W · 2,919 L | +26.3wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -3.6%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0x742f…d673backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 50$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.27 | 449 | 55.2%248 W · 201 L | +5.8wins | +0.01per pick | 54cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0e51…e4f7backed Kennesaw State Owls | 71c | 50$36 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.5 | 583 | 45.5%265 W · 318 L | -10.2wins | -0.02per pick | 47cpaid | -3.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x74bf…f5e5backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 29c | 49$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.07 | 2 | 0%0 W · 2 L | -0.6wins | -0.32per pick | 32cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf9ef…20ebbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 48.27$32 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.82 | 459 | 53.8%247 W · 212 L | -1.1wins | 0.00per pick | 54cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb1cb…fb77backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 33c | 40$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.12 | 102 | 52%53 W · 49 L | -2.4wins | -0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -4.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x3078…0389backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 28c | 39.78$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.26 | 378 | 35.7%135 W · 243 L | -0.6wins | 0.00per pick | 36cpaid | -1.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6892…cb37backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 38.24$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -0.3wins | -0.09per pick | 42cpaid | -20.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdecc…e1d3backed Kennesaw State Owls | 68c | 37.97$26 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.97 | 5 | 40%2 W · 3 L | -0.5wins | -0.10per pick | 50cpaid | -31.6%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa4bd…e8a2backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 49c | 34.09$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.8 | 1,985 | 64.1%1,273 W · 712 L | +144.2wins | +0.07per pick | 57cpaid | +7.3%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xf395…ac0abacked Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 34c | 30$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.2 | 356 | 50.8%181 W · 175 L | -4.5wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -2.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9519…e0bcbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 72c | 27.78$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.78 | 21 | 71.4%15 W · 6 L | -0.1wins | -0.01per pick | 72cpaid | -0.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6814…a9e7backed Kennesaw State Owls | 61c | 27.56$17 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.84 | 3,380 | 49.5%1,673 W · 1,707 L | +30.4wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -9.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3a8e…b505backed Western Kentucky Hilltoppers | 58c | 23.83$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.85 | 480 | 51%245 W · 235 L | -6.8wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -10.3%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xfb4d…c75abacked Kennesaw State Owls | 66c | 22.58$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.68 | 13 | 69.2%9 W · 4 L | +1.4wins | +0.11per pick | 59cpaid | +11.5%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x3494…04f4backed Kennesaw State Owls | 67c | 20.58$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.79 | 100 | 43%43 W · 57 L | -1.6wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -9.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd2f9…3f4fbacked Kennesaw State Owls | 50c | 20$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10 | 4 | 75%3 W · 1 L | +1.6wins | +0.39per pick | 36cpaid | +247.9%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xaa44…752abacked Kennesaw State Owls | 68c | 20$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.4 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.09per pick | 59cpaid | -26.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7789…d6c0backed Kennesaw State Owls | 66c | 20$13 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.8 | 93 | 53.8%50 W · 43 L | -5.5wins | -0.06per pick | 60cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x862d…2632backed Kennesaw State Owls | 70c | 14.29$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.29 | 24 | 41.7%10 W · 14 L | +0.7wins | +0.03per pick | 39cpaid | +7.9%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Ncaa Basketball and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 3 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Kennesaw State Owlsthis page
- Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Kennesaw State Owls: O/U 157.5Under won
- Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Kennesaw State Owls: O/U 158.5Under won
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- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
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