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Ncaa Basketball · resolved market

Providence Friars vs. DePaul Blue Demons

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Providence Friarsof Providence Friars, DePaul Blue Demons
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Ncaa Basketballevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$88,753
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$90,193

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $88,753 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

All 97 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Ncaa Basketball is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Ncaa Basketball
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xb45a…192cbacked Providence Friars42c47,992$20,197 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27,794.7189645.9%411 W · 485 L-0.1wins0.00per pick46cpaid+0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked DePaul Blue Demons58c23,475$13,530 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13,529.512,42249.8%6,191 W · 6,231 L+118.8wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1117…3532backed DePaul Blue Demons58c5,000$2,900 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,9009845.9%45 W · 53 L-4.2wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-10.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked DePaul Blue Demons59c4,524$2,654 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,653.951,51147.8%722 W · 789 L-35.2wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-9.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xa38a…821dbacked DePaul Blue Demons44c4,033$1,782 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,781.7349345.4%224 W · 269 L+7.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-15.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x773c…cf18backed DePaul Blue Demons59c2,454$1,450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,450.0610650.9%54 W · 52 L+0.2wins0.00per pick51cpaid+0.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf41a…ea2bbacked DePaul Blue Demons58c2,222$1,289 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,288.752,68748.5%1,303 W · 1,384 L+4.8wins0.00per pick48cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6814…a9e7backed DePaul Blue Demons48c2,194$1,046 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,046.463,38049.5%1,673 W · 1,707 L+30.4wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-9.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xecfc…cd05backed DePaul Blue Demons59c1,609$947 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$947.341,15550.4%582 W · 573 L-34.4wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-8.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1624…bf63backed DePaul Blue Demons49c1,391$684 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$684.131,07443.3%465 W · 609 L+20.0wins+0.02per pick41cpaid-11.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked DePaul Blue Demons57c1,291$740 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$739.852,89650%1,448 W · 1,448 L+71.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+5.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xcdb8…abbebacked DePaul Blue Demons36c1,096$391 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$391.251,98326.4%523 W · 1,460 L-55.5wins-0.03per pick29cpaid-12%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xcb8f…801cbacked Providence Friars78c1,034$808 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$226.71650%3 W · 3 L-0.5wins-0.08per pick58cpaid-16.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed DePaul Blue Demons54c971.9$524 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$524.35,55347.4%2,634 W · 2,919 L+26.3wins0.00per pick47cpaid-3.6%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xec92…98f5backed DePaul Blue Demons56c927.87$520 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$519.614250%21 W · 21 L-4.5wins-0.11per pick61cpaid-22.3%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x161a…4103backed DePaul Blue Demons55c887.43$484 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$483.682,01250%1,006 W · 1,006 L+22.3wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2f2b…0f9abacked DePaul Blue Demons59c824.22$486 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$486.2940755.8%227 W · 180 L+14.8wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+6.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2ffb…e82abacked Providence Friars78c641.03$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$141.0343450%217 W · 217 L+13.8wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+1.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2714…960fbacked DePaul Blue Demons59c600$354 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35416147.2%76 W · 85 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9d70…fdd9backed DePaul Blue Demons48c580.76$278 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$278.1393247.3%441 W · 491 L-22.6wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-12.8%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7aa8…56dbbacked Providence Friars59c549$324 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$225.091,05855.8%590 W · 468 L+34.2wins+0.03per pick53cpaid-2.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xe9f5…3e7abacked Providence Friars46c524.55$241 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$283.3632751.7%169 W · 158 L+12.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+14.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x1f3f…5878backed DePaul Blue Demons58c520$302 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$301.626740.8%109 W · 158 L+4.9wins+0.02per pick39cpaid+5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x94fa…989ebacked DePaul Blue Demons54c500$270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27081453.1%432 W · 382 L-4.1wins-0.01per pick54cpaid+3.5%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x4e3b…4afdbacked Providence Friars44c454.55$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$254.552138.1%8 W · 13 L-1.4wins-0.07per pick45cpaid-10.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa578…6702backed Providence Friars44c452$199 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$253.1278052.2%407 W · 373 L+19.1wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xa6e3…6dfebacked Providence Friars78c447.44$349 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$98.4427450%137 W · 137 L-4.6wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x864a…7cacbacked DePaul Blue Demons60c408.55$245 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$245.131973.7%14 W · 5 L+2.3wins+0.12per pick62cpaid+21.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Providence Friars56c394.63$221 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$173.594,84852.2%2,532 W · 2,316 L+139.2wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Providence Friars61c369.23$226 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$143.525,94649.3%2,932 W · 3,014 L+163.0wins+0.03per pick47cpaid-0.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x5d9e…e0e3backed Providence Friars43c348.84$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$198.8493447.9%447 W · 487 L-19.2wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-13.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4a3d…3ec1backed DePaul Blue Demons35c343.43$120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1205925.4%15 W · 44 L-6.7wins-0.11per pick37cpaid-34.3%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x44ca…907cbacked Providence Friars42c287.91$122 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$166.1111046.4%51 W · 59 L-0.5wins0.00per pick47cpaid-0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9c76…c926backed DePaul Blue Demons57c250$143 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$142.589146.2%412 W · 479 L+9.8wins+0.01per pick45cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4d84…21b1backed Providence Friars46c229.27$104 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$124.8299848.4%483 W · 515 L-8.5wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-6.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x450b…11d7backed Providence Friars44c227.39$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$127.391,25150.6%633 W · 618 L+12.9wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd727…eccebacked Providence Friars43c199.98$86 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.991,31733.6%443 W · 874 L+14.9wins+0.01per pick33cpaid-1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd1ed…d7cbbacked Providence Friars78c185.39$144 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$41.321,54041.3%636 W · 904 L+4.7wins0.00per pick41cpaid-16.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5e30…acbfbacked DePaul Blue Demons57c183$105 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$105.2250548.9%247 W · 258 L+13.1wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+5.8%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x099f…c1e1backed DePaul Blue Demons58c172.41$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10062140.4%251 W · 370 L-10.2wins-0.02per pick42cpaid-8.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9351…ef0fbacked DePaul Blue Demons58c172$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99.7613743.8%60 W · 77 L-2.9wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-3.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc291…5d74backed Providence Friars66c171.29$114 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$57.5917627.8%49 W · 127 L-6.3wins-0.04per pick31cpaid-23.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe6a5…e95dbacked DePaul Blue Demons60c166.17$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10040252.7%212 W · 190 L-9.1wins-0.02per pick55cpaid-3.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3e03…b61ebacked Providence Friars67c149.57$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$49.36250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.04per pick46cpaid-25.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xea78…a74ebacked Providence Friars42c145$61 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$84.120452.9%108 W · 96 L+11.9wins+0.06per pick47cpaid+11.7%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked Providence Friars48c139.11$67 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$72.554,38240.5%1,775 W · 2,607 L+23.7wins+0.01per pick40cpaid-6.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd218…b5c9backed Providence Friars77c138.71$107 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$31.92,55541.6%1,062 W · 1,493 L-15.9wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-20.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5487…a014backed DePaul Blue Demons58c135$78 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$78.391848.9%449 W · 469 L-0.1wins0.00per pick49cpaid+1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x64a8…7bc3backed Providence Friars79c134.68$106 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.3917062.9%107 W · 63 L-9.0wins-0.05per pick68cpaid-11.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed DePaul Blue Demons57c131.84$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$75.593,90558.8%2,298 W · 1,607 L+165.3wins+0.04per pick55cpaid+4.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x6027…4320backed DePaul Blue Demons57c131.12$75 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$74.741,39752.7%736 W · 661 L+26.1wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+3.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x21c2…6749backed DePaul Blue Demons40c131$53 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$52.8849747.5%236 W · 261 L-4.1wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-11.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0eb7…1f17backed Providence Friars71c126.76$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36.7614930.2%45 W · 104 L+4.7wins+0.03per pick27cpaid+3.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe2e1…c20abacked Providence Friars69c123$85 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$38.0539742.8%170 W · 227 L-15.2wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-22.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x2b78…c6b5backed DePaul Blue Demons59c122.58$72 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$72.3560954.5%332 W · 277 L+15.3wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+3.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x21f3…35e3backed DePaul Blue Demons58c120.06$70 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$69.631,15248.9%563 W · 589 L+3.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd9e0…05f2backed DePaul Blue Demons40c117.94$47 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47.221,49348.7%727 W · 766 L-1.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-19.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2c97…c20bbacked Providence Friars43c116.28$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$66.2835646.6%166 W · 190 L-11.2wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-6.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x292e…172cbacked Providence Friars43c116.28$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$66.2883350.2%418 W · 415 L+0.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2f3e…bb7abacked Providence Friars72c100.47$72 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.13250%1 W · 1 L-0.2wins-0.10per pick60cpaid-30.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x989a…afbcbacked DePaul Blue Demons48c100.26$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48.6170349.6%349 W · 354 L-6.2wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2cec…5326backed DePaul Blue Demons57c100$58 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$57.585248.8%416 W · 436 L+4.4wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0e40…cf85backed Providence Friars43c88.37$38 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50.3721937.4%82 W · 137 L-10.4wins-0.05per pick42cpaid-10%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x82f6…1848backed DePaul Blue Demons59c88.14$52 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$526352.4%33 W · 30 L+2.0wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+8.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x0324…fdbcbacked Providence Friars66c85.91$57 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29.212458.3%14 W · 10 L-0.9wins-0.04per pick62cpaid+0.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7f2d…fbf5backed Providence Friars66c85.7$56 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29.3257655%317 W · 259 L+17.6wins+0.03per pick52cpaid-0.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbfd7…f0bfbacked DePaul Blue Demons52c84.23$44 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$43.81,66736.4%607 W · 1,060 L-4.0wins0.00per pick37cpaid-7.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa07d…a037backed DePaul Blue Demons40c82.67$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.031,24916.4%205 W · 1,044 L-189.4wins-0.15per pick32cpaid-51.1%equal weight33-0.15 edge/pick
0x6a72…f81dbacked DePaul Blue Demons53c82.14$43 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$43.2587047.2%411 W · 459 L-23.9wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-21%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf588…2b81backed DePaul Blue Demons42c81.74$35 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34.682,12450.4%1,070 W · 1,054 L+40.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+0.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb25f…32c9backed Providence Friars51c78.43$40 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$38.436952.2%36 W · 33 L-0.3wins0.00per pick53cpaid+3.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x968b…e4c5backed DePaul Blue Demons33c70$23 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$23.13345.5%15 W · 18 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-4.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x21db…ea09backed DePaul Blue Demons49c69.81$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34.41633.3%2 W · 4 L-0.1wins-0.02per pick35cpaid-20.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1cfc…7824backed Providence Friars43c69.77$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$39.772748.1%13 W · 14 L-0.8wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-3.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x03c7…22f2backed DePaul Blue Demons32c62.5$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$207746.8%36 W · 41 L-2.3wins-0.03per pick50cpaid+8.1%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xd37a…2358backed DePaul Blue Demons58c60.6$35 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35.151,44643.4%627 W · 819 L+10.6wins+0.01per pick43cpaid-4.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4e8f…1f83backed DePaul Blue Demons58c60$35 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34.864658.8%380 W · 266 L-3.6wins-0.01per pick59cpaid+1.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xeff2…b6ecbacked Providence Friars50c59.54$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29.543647.2%17 W · 19 L+2.8wins+0.08per pick39cpaid+9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xa4bd…e8a2backed Providence Friars62c52.91$33 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20.241,98564.1%1,273 W · 712 L+144.2wins+0.07per pick57cpaid+7.3%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x2a69…d2f7backed Providence Friars37c52.77$19 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$33.581528.8%235 W · 580 L-19.9wins-0.02per pick31cpaid-17%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x8b6e…b1a7backed DePaul Blue Demons57c52.63$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3014448.6%70 W · 74 L-12.5wins-0.09per pick57cpaid-15.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xc1b5…2e74backed Providence Friars43c49.57$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.3819860.1%119 W · 79 L+15.5wins+0.08per pick52cpaid+18.8%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x11d1…e488backed DePaul Blue Demons61c49.18$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$302755.6%15 W · 12 L+1.6wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+14.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe545…5bacbacked DePaul Blue Demons46c48.77$22 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22.2910347.6%49 W · 54 L+3.8wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+0.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x05d3…c06abacked Providence Friars56c44.95$25 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$19.7813956.8%79 W · 60 L+3.0wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+3.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1cdd…e595backed DePaul Blue Demons26c40$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10.419522.1%43 W · 152 L-36.3wins-0.19per pick41cpaid-53.7%equal weight32-0.16 edge/pick
0x7b12…7a77backed Providence Friars28c40$11 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.852353.5%280 W · 243 L-17.9wins-0.03per pick57cpaid-5.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x4111…4874backed DePaul Blue Demons39c38.69$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1530%0 W · 3 L-0.8wins-0.27per pick27cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1802…d00fbacked DePaul Blue Demons53c37.74$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$205942.4%25 W · 34 L+0.1wins0.00per pick42cpaid-5.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2dc4…0c92backed Providence Friars42c36.72$15 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.399045.6%451 W · 539 L+9.6wins+0.01per pick45cpaid+2.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3078…0389backed Providence Friars42c34.4$14 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$19.9537835.7%135 W · 243 L-0.6wins0.00per pick36cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x12c3…b054backed Providence Friars44c34.09$15 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$19.0913565.9%89 W · 46 L+12.7wins+0.09per pick56cpaid+15.4%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x3e6b…8a98backed DePaul Blue Demons59c27.17$16 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$16.034738.3%18 W · 29 L-3.7wins-0.08per pick46cpaid-25.1%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x00b9…60d0backed Providence Friars47c26.55$12 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$14.07650%3 W · 3 L+0.9wins+0.16per pick34cpaid+15.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9ff7…9ab6backed DePaul Blue Demons59c24.57$14 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14.58556.5%48 W · 37 L+3.3wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+8.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xcf72…b4a6backed DePaul Blue Demons54c21.85$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.99470.2%66 W · 28 L+1.3wins+0.01per pick69cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa6f3…c5c2backed DePaul Blue Demons71c16.73$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.887176.1%54 W · 17 L+2.7wins+0.04per pick72cpaid+5.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Ncaa Basketball and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 6 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.