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Valorant · resolved market

Valorant: Team Envy vs Evil Geniuses (BO3) - VCT Americas Stage 2 Group Alpha

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Evil Geniusesof Team Envy, Evil Geniuses
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Valorantevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$156,923
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$167,011

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $156,923 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 188 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Valorant is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Valorant
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x8660…93edbacked Team Envy51c22,522$11,486 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,486.3318148.1%87 W · 94 L+3.5wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+6.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf070…ac55backed Team Envy52c20,635$10,730 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,730.4524145.2%109 W · 132 L-11.3wins-0.05per pick50cpaid-10%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x30c7…ac3bbacked Evil Geniuses48c14,871$7,134 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,736.6729255.8%163 W · 129 L+10.8wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+8.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xd8ff…473dbacked Evil Geniuses48c10,000$4,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,199.98742.9%3 W · 4 L-0.3wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-17.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed Evil Geniuses73c6,657$4,854 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,802.2640945.7%187 W · 222 L-6.5wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-19.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4980…5709backed Team Envy32c6,300$2,029 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,028.8232445.4%147 W · 177 L+51.8wins+0.16per pick29cpaid+39.8%equal weight66+0.15 edge/pick
0x7645…3117backed Evil Geniuses49c6,000$2,940 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,0604131.7%13 W · 28 L-6.0wins-0.15per pick46cpaid-26.5%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x4cb0…57e0backed Evil Geniuses49c5,900$2,891 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,0094158.5%24 W · 17 L+2.5wins+0.06per pick52cpaid+16.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x6c70…9168backed Team Envy52c5,193$2,678 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,678.371566.7%10 W · 5 L+1.3wins+0.08per pick58cpaid+16.6%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0a63…fc03backed Evil Geniuses40c5,000$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,999.996038.3%23 W · 37 L-6.9wins-0.11per pick50cpaid-26.6%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Evil Geniuses48c5,000$2,400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,599.9819046.3%88 W · 102 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick46cpaid+26.6%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x7e59…7b8bbacked Team Envy40c4,668$1,883 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,882.9728942.9%124 W · 165 L-5.7wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-11.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbcd2…43f3backed Evil Geniuses48c3,971$1,895 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,075.642050%10 W · 10 L+1.7wins+0.08per pick42cpaid+16.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x6b97…8d30backed Evil Geniuses49c3,607$1,768 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,839.7219960.3%120 W · 79 L+17.6wins+0.09per pick51cpaid+20.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xf647…0ccbbacked Team Envy54c3,168$1,704 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,703.964955.1%27 W · 22 L+1.8wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+33.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x257e…ca61backed Team Envy35c2,905$1,020 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,020.2522344.4%99 W · 124 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-6.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2f63…f247backed Team Envy19c2,383$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$452.685151%26 W · 25 L+3.0wins+0.06per pick45cpaid+23.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x6239…1d79backed Evil Geniuses49c2,007$983 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,023.635251.9%27 W · 25 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick53cpaid+4.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x733d…1ae7backed Evil Geniuses49c2,000$980 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,019.998100%8 W · 0 L+3.8wins+0.47per pick53cpaid+92.1%equal weight63+0.11 edge/pick
0x4d5c…d8f2backed Team Envy28c1,885$525 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$524.87616.7%1 W · 5 L-1.0wins-0.17per pick33cpaid-69.7%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Evil Geniuses47c1,757$824 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$932.5893248.1%448 W · 484 L-11.5wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc34b…9296backed Evil Geniuses49c1,667$815 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$852.1125761.1%157 W · 100 L+22.9wins+0.09per pick52cpaid+16.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xb8c2…eef4backed Evil Geniuses78c1,478$1,153 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$325.866654.5%36 W · 30 L-1.2wins-0.02per pick56cpaid-11.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x60ec…f7b0backed Team Envy7c1,470$101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.0156551.2%289 W · 276 L+6.5wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfe56…c198backed Evil Geniuses49c1,314$644 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$669.961100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+104.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd035…f165backed Team Envy30c1,271$382 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$382.25743.9%25 W · 32 L+0.3wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x60d0…e05fbacked Team Envy30c1,256$377 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$376.79955.6%5 W · 4 L+1.2wins+0.13per pick42cpaid+49.4%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x8e3f…6941backed Evil Geniuses58c1,243$721 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$522.0326051.9%135 W · 125 L+10.5wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+8.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xb9ab…f282backed Evil Geniuses48c1,221$586 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$635.1717052.4%89 W · 81 L+2.8wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+4.3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xf679…2d3dbacked Team Envy57c1,212$691 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$690.846647%31 W · 35 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-6.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3f97…4059backed Team Envy51c1,180$602 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$601.5925046.4%116 W · 134 L+0.2wins0.00per pick46cpaid+3.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xec54…e8c1backed Team Envy52c1,152$599 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$598.935952.5%31 W · 28 L+1.9wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+9.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x2714…960fbacked Evil Geniuses48c1,041$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$541.314261.9%26 W · 16 L+3.5wins+0.08per pick54cpaid+20.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x5556…2759backed Team Envy52c1,000$520 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$52063955.6%355 W · 284 L+1.9wins0.00per pick55cpaid+0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5b62…d87fbacked Evil Geniuses47c999.99$470 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$53026450%132 W · 132 L-0.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa804…2a75backed Evil Geniuses46c927.73$427 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$500.972766.7%18 W · 9 L+4.5wins+0.17per pick50cpaid+40%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x2d39…6053backed Team Envy60c926.52$556 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$555.9153159.1%314 W · 217 L+41.6wins+0.08per pick51cpaid+7.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x53ab…65aabacked Team Envy51c888$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$452.8855152.5%289 W · 262 L+20.7wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+8.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf876…1deebacked Team Envy52c829.9$432 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$431.552744.4%12 W · 15 L-1.0wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-4.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe896…a4c7backed Team Envy60c826.99$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5005650%28 W · 28 L-5.7wins-0.10per pick60cpaid-15.1%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x51b6…1903backed Evil Geniuses49c825.37$404 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$420.9426354.4%143 W · 120 L-8.5wins-0.03per pick58cpaid-6.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x2418…66c8backed Team Envy53c758.25$402 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$401.8718457.1%105 W · 79 L+11.3wins+0.06per pick51cpaid+9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed Team Envy33c723.64$242 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$242.211,74646.2%806 W · 940 L-3.2wins0.00per pick46cpaid-15.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa3c2…df3dbacked Evil Geniuses48c681$327 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$353.5624551%125 W · 120 L+6.2wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+4.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x222b…1a8dbacked Team Envy16c677.94$107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.721136.5%77 W · 134 L-15.0wins-0.07per pick44cpaid-38.1%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x904e…0becbacked Team Envy23c668.58$156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155.631,61245.1%727 W · 885 L-25.3wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-22.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x26d6…caccbacked Team Envy15c655.53$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99.7530835.4%109 W · 199 L-23.8wins-0.08per pick43cpaid-40.3%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x4a3f…4333backed Evil Geniuses49c625$306 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$318.756063.3%38 W · 22 L+3.2wins+0.05per pick58cpaid+9.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xefbc…b344backed Evil Geniuses45c604$272 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$332.216547.9%79 W · 86 L-0.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid-6.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Team Envy60c603.59$362 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$362.1568458.3%399 W · 285 L+56.5wins+0.08per pick50cpaid+6.2%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xba58…6d74backed Team Envy52c600$312 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31225555.7%142 W · 113 L+3.3wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+2.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8935…7daabacked Evil Geniuses65c600$390 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$210.2960454%326 W · 278 L+22.9wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+0.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xab04…a00abacked Evil Geniuses49c562$275 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$286.624452.3%23 W · 21 L+2.8wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+13.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x0328…bd17backed Team Envy54c555.56$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3007456.8%42 W · 32 L-0.2wins0.00per pick57cpaid+1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x12f7…b645backed Team Envy12c542.86$63 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$631010%1 W · 9 L-2.4wins-0.24per pick34cpaid-82.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x94f1…b9e7backed Team Envy52c537.48$280 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$280.4432152.6%169 W · 152 L+6.8wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+4.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4b4d…5f4abacked Team Envy19c530.2$101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$100.747032.9%23 W · 47 L-1.2wins-0.02per pick35cpaid+5.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5929…4684backed Team Envy39c508.42$197 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$197.261,49546.6%696 W · 799 L-17.6wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-12.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x21ff…0d71backed Evil Geniuses48c500.1$240 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$260.0525453.5%136 W · 118 L+4.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8b55…d74bbacked Team Envy52c500$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26086747.5%412 W · 455 L-2.9wins0.00per pick48cpaid+1.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x180c…cd04backed Evil Geniuses49c500$245 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25522649.1%111 W · 115 L+13.1wins+0.06per pick43cpaid+10.9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x374e…87c9backed Team Envy52c500$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2601136.4%4 W · 7 L-1.7wins-0.16per pick52cpaid-36%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xbf99…9840backed Team Envy52c500$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26018149.7%90 W · 91 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick51cpaid+0.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x224f…514abacked Team Envy52c500$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2606759.7%40 W · 27 L+4.8wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+19.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x91e5…0947backed Team Envy55c499.99$277 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$277.391631.3%5 W · 11 L-2.5wins-0.16per pick47cpaid-37.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x5f16…284ebacked Evil Geniuses77c471$361 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$110.043865.8%25 W · 13 L+0.7wins+0.02per pick64cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa79a…d72abacked Evil Geniuses50c464$232 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$23230652.3%160 W · 146 L-9.1wins-0.03per pick55cpaid-7.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf1cc…3bf0backed Evil Geniuses49c463.39$227 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$236.3312755.9%71 W · 56 L-3.1wins-0.02per pick58cpaid-6.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xdc7d…8895backed Team Envy60c447.89$268 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$268.0410%0 W · 1 L-0.6wins-0.60per pick60cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x76f1…f655backed Team Envy21c414.92$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$86.3637545.6%171 W · 204 L-1.6wins0.00per pick46cpaid-9.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5703…1048backed Team Envy21c413.14$87 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$87.3711546.1%53 W · 62 L+3.6wins+0.03per pick43cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0a7c…8964backed Evil Geniuses48c401.91$193 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$208.9925756%144 W · 113 L+8.6wins+0.03per pick53cpaid+11.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xff34…694bbacked Evil Geniuses49c400$196 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20478562.8%493 W · 292 L+56.2wins+0.07per pick56cpaid+7.6%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xa5cf…8cc5backed Team Envy51c399.98$204 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$203.9928740.8%117 W · 170 L-7.6wins-0.03per pick43cpaid-4.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3ffb…df76backed Team Envy50c396$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$199.9619856.1%111 W · 87 L+13.9wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+17.4%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x32bf…ec60backed Team Envy51c392.16$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20019847%93 W · 105 L-0.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7edb…7993backed Team Envy20c388.52$79 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$78.7926932.3%87 W · 182 L-25.7wins-0.10per pick42cpaid-42.6%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x0a2e…3ceabacked Team Envy23c388.46$91 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$90.994951%25 W · 24 L+4.1wins+0.08per pick43cpaid+6.9%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xebdc…778abacked Team Envy52c388$202 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$201.764045%18 W · 22 L-2.6wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-11.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xa623…a4febacked Team Envy60c373$224 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$223.810455.8%58 W · 46 L+5.9wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+17.4%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x6cd3…226ebacked Team Envy13c370.62$47 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47.1316420.1%33 W · 131 L-20.1wins-0.12per pick32cpaid-49.3%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0x82f2…27d4backed Team Envy45c357.25$161 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1613650%18 W · 18 L-1.1wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-11.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6955…867abacked Team Envy29c335.37$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$96.711338.5%5 W · 8 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick37cpaid-16%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x84ad…bfb7backed Team Envy33c325.73$107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.7232462.7%203 W · 121 L+31.7wins+0.10per pick53cpaid+10%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0xa390…c7d9backed Team Envy21c321.71$68 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67.568020%16 W · 64 L-3.7wins-0.05per pick25cpaid-21.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x8705…edbabacked Evil Geniuses46c310$141 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$168.5131153.1%165 W · 146 L+15.7wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+5.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x0d2d…7ff5backed Evil Geniuses46c308.97$141 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$167.6844441.9%186 W · 258 L-22.8wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-15.4%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xefce…4e4abacked Team Envy52c288.46$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1502552%13 W · 12 L-0.6wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-5.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x999a…9a25backed Team Envy19c272.72$53 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$53.0416144.7%72 W · 89 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick46cpaid-22.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc475…8eefbacked Team Envy52c264.41$139 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$138.71030%3 W · 7 L-2.0wins-0.20per pick50cpaid-40.3%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x6efa…a0a7backed Team Envy52c248.97$129 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$129.462951.7%15 W · 14 L-0.5wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-2.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe3b0…b4d1backed Evil Geniuses49c244.9$120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$124.911844.1%52 W · 66 L-4.4wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x2f26…0d8fbacked Team Envy9c240.98$21 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$21.1720138.3%77 W · 124 L-6.6wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-18.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xffca…0b64backed Evil Geniuses48c236.22$113 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$122.8421457%122 W · 92 L+6.6wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+2.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3471…f17ebacked Team Envy60c229.02$137 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$137.4165559.4%389 W · 266 L+50.5wins+0.08per pick52cpaid+6.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xda62…f654backed Team Envy12c223.36$28 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27.851942.1%8 W · 11 L+2.9wins+0.15per pick27cpaid+34.2%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0xc3a5…534cbacked Team Envy52c211.54$110 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11013044.6%58 W · 72 L+2.9wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-3.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x775d…6bebbacked Team Envy17c207.41$36 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35.9670543.5%307 W · 398 L-14.5wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-15.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2160…bcb3backed Team Envy39c206.29$80 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8019945.2%90 W · 109 L-1.3wins-0.01per pick46cpaid+1.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4da5…e32ebacked Evil Geniuses49c204.08$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$104.085957.6%34 W · 25 L+10.9wins+0.18per pick39cpaid+54.6%equal weight64+0.13 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Valorant and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 6 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.