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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Virtus.pro (BO3) - ESL One Birmingham: Western Europe Closed Qualifier Playoffs

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Virtus.proof Team Liquid, Virtus.pro
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$73,048
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$82,536

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $73,048 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 156 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x2005…75eabacked Team Liquid59c7,277$4,282 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,281.5773841.7%308 W · 430 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc65c…ea39backed Virtus.pro32c4,206$1,346 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,860.291952.6%10 W · 9 L+2.1wins+0.11per pick42cpaid+27.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x2586…f071backed Virtus.pro68c3,601$2,455 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,145.9934468.9%237 W · 107 L+26.3wins+0.08per pick61cpaid+2.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xd604…ee57backed Virtus.pro41c3,259$1,329 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,929.52142.9%9 W · 12 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+8.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x699f…c3a9backed Virtus.pro35c2,842$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,842.422161.9%13 W · 8 L+1.6wins+0.08per pick54cpaid+17.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xef26…05babacked Team Liquid56c2,676$1,499 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,499.4725446.1%117 W · 137 L+11.9wins+0.05per pick41cpaid+2.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xf9b5…09eebacked Virtus.pro34c2,152$724 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,427.4855157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x6fd3…3d7abacked Team Liquid65c1,982$1,292 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,291.8929047.9%139 W · 151 L-2.0wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-11.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x26e7…c6e2backed Team Liquid68c1,900$1,290 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,289.72425%1 W · 3 L-1.1wins-0.28per pick53cpaid-62.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x0659…d74dbacked Virtus.pro34c1,577$532 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,044.7485851.3%440 W · 418 L+30.8wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+7.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x8cfc…4f30backed Virtus.pro30c1,524$463 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,061.6337745.4%171 W · 206 L+5.0wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf720…411dbacked Team Liquid63c1,503$940 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$939.921040%4 W · 6 L-1.3wins-0.13per pick53cpaid-36.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9187…b2e1backed Team Liquid78c1,429$1,121 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,1213073.3%22 W · 8 L+0.4wins+0.01per pick72cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x34cd…9675backed Virtus.pro52c1,312$678 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$633.668648.8%42 W · 44 L-4.2wins-0.05per pick54cpaid-13.7%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xe42b…7ea9backed Virtus.pro31c1,302$405 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$897.0946535.1%163 W · 302 L+22.9wins+0.05per pick30cpaid+18.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x9e04…28a9backed Virtus.pro35c1,240$434 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$805.8317651.1%90 W · 86 L+10.7wins+0.06per pick45cpaid+12.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x9055…756abacked Team Liquid66c1,200$790 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$790.3911960.5%72 W · 47 L+0.7wins+0.01per pick60cpaid-0.1%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x7951…bb41backed Team Liquid66c1,143$758 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$757.7864744.4%287 W · 360 L+13.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x74ef…1ac6backed Team Liquid58c1,087$626 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$626.3147660.7%289 W · 187 L-0.2wins0.00per pick61cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7437…e1e9backed Virtus.pro32c1,086$346 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$739.895135.3%18 W · 33 L-3.2wins-0.06per pick41cpaid-24.1%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x2e62…b22ebacked Virtus.pro31c1,084$337 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$747.073737.8%14 W · 23 L+1.0wins+0.03per pick35cpaid-1.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x61fa…7f62backed Team Liquid68c1,036$700 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$70046451.5%239 W · 225 L-12.1wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x08c2…c023backed Team Liquid61c1,023$626 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$625.8548954.6%267 W · 222 L+23.6wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+3.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x3e13…391fbacked Virtus.pro37c1,015$377 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$637.991758.8%10 W · 7 L+1.5wins+0.09per pick50cpaid+23.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe2d0…6078backed Virtus.pro31c1,000$310 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6904254.8%23 W · 19 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick54cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xba05…f8c0backed Virtus.pro31c999.97$311 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$688.5449133.6%165 W · 326 L+1.9wins0.00per pick33cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1ab6…078ebacked Virtus.pro31c903.23$280 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$623.2311955.5%66 W · 53 L+10.3wins+0.09per pick47cpaid+20.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Virtus.pro49c899.2$441 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$458.32,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3265…d5b8backed Team Liquid59c876.37$517 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$517.065942.4%25 W · 34 L+2.9wins+0.05per pick37cpaid+3.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xbc67…5286backed Virtus.pro39c780.7$305 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$475.566662.2%414 W · 252 L+60.2wins+0.09per pick53cpaid+10.8%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Team Liquid45c744.17$331 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$331.2186949%426 W · 443 L-3.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-15%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x762d…45a6backed Team Liquid23c712.01$167 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$166.669955.6%55 W · 44 L+8.8wins+0.09per pick47cpaid+14.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x209e…8bb4backed Team Liquid66c699$463 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$463.2380544.6%359 W · 446 L-25.8wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-8.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1f4f…46c2backed Virtus.pro37c672.77$249 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$423.3536054.4%196 W · 164 L+12.1wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x74a8…df59backed Team Liquid68c609.31$414 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$414.334148.8%20 W · 21 L+0.1wins0.00per pick49cpaid+5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xbd16…07bbbacked Team Liquid38c515.02$193 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$193.37933.3%3 W · 6 L-0.3wins-0.03per pick36cpaid-7.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe99e…0084backed Team Liquid68c500$340 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34087645.7%400 W · 476 L-4.7wins-0.01per pick46cpaid-3.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x86f8…1655backed Team Liquid66c480$317 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$316.83060%18 W · 12 L+1.1wins+0.04per pick56cpaid+6.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x730e…fca0backed Team Liquid61c460.39$281 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$280.5220535.1%72 W · 133 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick36cpaid-21%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x94f1…b9e7backed Virtus.pro40c457.63$181 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$276.6345951.9%238 W · 221 L+8.7wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-1.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc954…642fbacked Team Liquid63c456$288 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$288.316155.3%89 W · 72 L+1.3wins+0.01per pick54cpaid-0.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4703…ce7fbacked Team Liquid21c448.07$95 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$94.641414.3%2 W · 12 L-1.7wins-0.12per pick27cpaid-51.4%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xd50c…76c3backed Team Liquid65c416.08$272 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$272.266243.5%27 W · 35 L-8.0wins-0.13per pick56cpaid-28.1%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x19a0…ac39backed Virtus.pro37c399.3$147 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$252.582965.5%19 W · 10 L+5.3wins+0.18per pick47cpaid+32.2%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0x8575…42b7backed Team Liquid76c362.96$276 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$275.5770%0 W · 7 L-2.9wins-0.41per pick41cpaid-100%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x3827…e862backed Team Liquid20c345$70 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$70.121650%8 W · 8 L+2.8wins+0.17per pick33cpaid+106.6%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xccf5…42f2backed Virtus.pro40c327.94$131 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$196.8857455.4%318 W · 256 L+6.5wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xc0c8…97b4backed Team Liquid63c320$203 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$202.515465.6%101 W · 53 L+4.3wins+0.03per pick63cpaid+2.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xb569…6fe0backed Virtus.pro35c307.35$107 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$199.8627548%132 W · 143 L-1.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid-2.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5565…7693backed Virtus.pro33c299.99$99 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$200.99728.6%2 W · 5 L+0.1wins+0.02per pick27cpaid-17%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x02a4…6854backed Team Liquid67c295$198 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$197.651,79755.8%1,003 W · 794 L+37.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x955f…a811backed Virtus.pro35c288.68$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$188.682544%11 W · 14 L-1.1wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-13.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5a3c…38d3backed Virtus.pro35c285.69$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$185.77440.5%30 W · 44 L+0.9wins+0.01per pick39cpaid+5.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7a60…3170backed Team Liquid68c281.18$191 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$191.26046.7%28 W · 32 L-6.4wins-0.11per pick57cpaid-20.1%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0x62c3…229cbacked Virtus.pro75c266.51$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$66.631741.2%7 W · 10 L-3.4wins-0.20per pick61cpaid-42.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x9cf7…e5a5backed Virtus.pro39c259.36$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$159.3617342.8%74 W · 99 L+5.9wins+0.03per pick39cpaid+11.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xcccc…dbddbacked Virtus.pro35c255$89 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$165.7519943.2%86 W · 113 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-1.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x4ce6…030ebacked Team Liquid68c243.4$165 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$165.282850%14 W · 14 L-2.0wins-0.07per pick57cpaid-13.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xc694…1171backed Team Liquid65c240$156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1564050%20 W · 20 L+2.4wins+0.06per pick44cpaid-3.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xb891…969bbacked Virtus.pro33c230$76 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$154.11931.6%6 W · 13 L+0.9wins+0.05per pick27cpaid+21.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc49e…3b3dbacked Team Liquid37c230$85 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85.1837.5%3 W · 5 L+0.6wins+0.07per pick30cpaid+15.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8df0…96a6backed Virtus.pro33c218.88$72 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$146.793847.4%18 W · 20 L-0.2wins0.00per pick48cpaid-12.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5a09…3c83backed Virtus.pro39c216.22$84 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$131.89580%4 W · 1 L+0.9wins+0.18per pick62cpaid+30.2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe463…f7b2backed Virtus.pro31c212.1$66 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$146.4120838.9%81 W · 127 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-5.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4fe9…706abacked Team Liquid22c208.14$46 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$45.7915852.5%83 W · 75 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-5.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5de7…5417backed Virtus.pro33c206$68 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$137.8447951.8%248 W · 231 L+17.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+6.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf2ae…0864backed Virtus.pro78c202.53$158 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$44.726661.7%164 W · 102 L+5.5wins+0.02per pick60cpaid-2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6dc0…699abacked Team Liquid10c200$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2064123.4%150 W · 491 L-18.6wins-0.03per pick26cpaid-22.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc49b…70c0backed Team Liquid42c200$84 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$84.363032.5%205 W · 425 L+1.4wins0.00per pick32cpaid-22.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb0e6…84a8backed Team Liquid67c200$134 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1341250%6 W · 6 L-0.9wins-0.08per pick58cpaid-18.8%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x687c…8c91backed Team Liquid56c200$113 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11314254.2%77 W · 65 L+7.2wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+1.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xaab6…607ebacked Team Liquid67c199.99$134 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$133.995550.9%28 W · 27 L+0.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid+12.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x284e…ddb2backed Team Liquid10c192$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$19.88955.6%5 W · 4 L+1.6wins+0.18per pick38cpaid+30%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x17ca…87d1backed Team Liquid65c183.94$120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12019552.8%103 W · 92 L-15.2wins-0.08per pick61cpaid-15%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xf092…4ebabacked Team Liquid66c172.73$114 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1144856.3%27 W · 21 L-0.9wins-0.02per pick58cpaid-2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd0b0…ad2cbacked Virtus.pro62c171.49$106 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.5221062.4%131 W · 79 L+5.3wins+0.03per pick60cpaid+1.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xa4bd…e8a2backed Virtus.pro49c165.5$81 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$84.2334063.2%215 W · 125 L+38.9wins+0.11per pick52cpaid+13%equal weight62+0.11 edge/pick
0xb893…bf4bbacked Virtus.pro32c157.24$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$107.242548%12 W · 13 L+0.9wins+0.03per pick45cpaid+7.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe6a5…e95dbacked Team Liquid65c153.85$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10011753%62 W · 55 L-2.2wins-0.02per pick55cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8b32…3b0abacked Team Liquid66c151.21$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99.83852.6%20 W · 18 L0.0wins0.00per pick53cpaid-1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfaa4…71c5backed Virtus.pro21c150$32 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1186245.2%28 W · 34 L+2.8wins+0.05per pick41cpaid+10.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0cf2…6373backed Team Liquid67c147.76$99 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$992759.3%16 W · 11 L+0.5wins+0.02per pick57cpaid-6.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0735…0702backed Team Liquid72c139.52$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10010%0 W · 1 L-0.7wins-0.72per pick72cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5b1c…2a3ebacked Virtus.pro36c138.89$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$88.899054.4%49 W · 41 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick53cpaid-3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x727d…1589backed Team Liquid41c133.7$55 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$54.558037.5%30 W · 50 L-3.5wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-19.1%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x61c1…0513backed Team Liquid66c129.89$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85.7310659.4%63 W · 43 L-4.1wins-0.04per pick63cpaid-6.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x325f…4511backed Team Liquid32c127.49$41 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.771145.5%5 W · 6 L+1.2wins+0.11per pick35cpaid+44.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x3703…2795backed Team Liquid68c125.74$85 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85.515341.2%63 W · 90 L-7.6wins-0.05per pick46cpaid-9.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x3ffa…f2cfbacked Team Liquid64c123.09$79 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$78.81520%3 W · 12 L-3.4wins-0.23per pick43cpaid-39.7%equal weight41-0.09 edge/pick
0x3078…0389backed Virtus.pro30c118.58$36 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$83.045928.8%17 W · 42 L-1.7wins-0.03per pick32cpaid-0.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4a84…e21abacked Team Liquid68c117.65$80 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$802416.7%4 W · 20 L-4.6wins-0.19per pick36cpaid-66.4%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x9816…cc22backed Virtus.pro33c116.06$38 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$77.95650%3 W · 3 L+0.8wins+0.13per pick37cpaid+30.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xdcaf…8229backed Team Liquid71c112.68$80 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8033743.6%147 W · 190 L-5.6wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbed0…3c7dbacked Team Liquid63c111.11$70 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7013557.8%78 W · 57 L+3.1wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x40ba…7ea5backed Team Liquid68c110$75 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$74.853757.7%310 W · 227 L+11.8wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xad0e…101cbacked Team Liquid66c110$73 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$72.620%0 W · 2 L-1.3wins-0.63per pick63cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xc079…8881backed Virtus.pro20c101.22$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$80.55955.6%5 W · 4 L+0.5wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+56.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfc46…a7ecbacked Team Liquid66c100$66 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$66250%1 W · 1 L-0.2wins-0.10per pick60cpaid-5.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1af1…7b88backed Team Liquid64c100$64 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$63.52740.7%11 W · 16 L-0.2wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-24.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4ffe…9f71backed Virtus.pro18c98.99$18 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.116169.7%60 W · 556 L-2.0wins0.00per pick10cpaid-53.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 5 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.