Lol · resolved market
LoL: Team Secret Whales vs MVK Esports - Game 2 Winner
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What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Team Secret Whalesof Team Secret Whales, MVK Esports
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Lolevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $59,475
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $80,916
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $59,475 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 77 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Lol is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Lol | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0xe478…610ebacked MVK Esports | 1c | 7,332$102 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$102.2 | 73 | 5.5%4 W · 69 L | -5.1wins | -0.07per pick | 12cpaid | -64.1%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xeecd…4fefbacked Team Secret Whales | 63c | 5,176$3,261 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,915.06 | 364 | 60.2%219 W · 145 L | +9.6wins | +0.03per pick | 58cpaid | +9.3%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x86b1…c094backed MVK Esports | 11c | 4,006$459 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$459.02 | 1,056 | 28.5%301 W · 755 L | +21.3wins | +0.02per pick | 26cpaid | -1.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x3532…3711backed MVK Esports | 37c | 2,635$969 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$968.68 | 33 | 48.5%16 W · 17 L | +1.4wins | +0.04per pick | 44cpaid | 0%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2d69…7e98backed MVK Esports | 21c | 2,253$469 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$469.27 | 189 | 14.8%28 W · 161 L | -6.2wins | -0.03per pick | 18cpaid | -39.6%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe911…3d4ebacked Team Secret Whales | 61c | 1,630$997 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$633.1 | 2,311 | 39.4%910 W · 1,401 L | -83.4wins | -0.04per pick | 43cpaid | -20.4%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xcbf4…e3a6backed MVK Esports | 37c | 1,566$584 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$584.45 | 140 | 38.6%54 W · 86 L | -3.8wins | -0.03per pick | 41cpaid | -4.8%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2aa1…c691backed MVK Esports | 37c | 1,562$573 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$572.93 | 198 | 39.9%79 W · 119 L | -8.8wins | -0.04per pick | 44cpaid | -10.1%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x5aa9…febebacked Team Secret Whales | 65c | 1,526$990 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$535.98 | 1,158 | 42.6%493 W · 665 L | -23.9wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -20.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x93bc…8ca3backed MVK Esports | 36c | 1,409$512 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$511.58 | 3,584 | 40.1%1,437 W · 2,147 L | +31.1wins | +0.01per pick | 39cpaid | -2.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe06c…62aebacked Team Secret Whales | 76c | 1,222$926 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$296.01 | 65 | 60%39 W · 26 L | +3.6wins | +0.06per pick | 54cpaid | +22.3%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xdbdd…a5debacked MVK Esports | 37c | 1,137$419 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$418.54 | 2,825 | 41.4%1,169 W · 1,656 L | -14.1wins | 0.00per pick | 42cpaid | -4.1%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb7b3…9573backed MVK Esports | 6c | 999.99$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$60 | 1,806 | 39.1%707 W · 1,099 L | -30.8wins | -0.02per pick | 41cpaid | -12%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe167…03a1backed Team Secret Whales | 64c | 990.75$630 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$360.6 | 856 | 52.2%447 W · 409 L | +34.8wins | +0.04per pick | 48cpaid | +4.8%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xbfd7…f0bfbacked MVK Esports | 37c | 967.57$358 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$358 | 2,341 | 40.3%943 W · 1,398 L | -61.8wins | -0.03per pick | 43cpaid | -11.5%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xb5b7…7ffabacked MVK Esports | 39c | 715.42$279 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$279 | 148 | 35.1%52 W · 96 L | -9.3wins | -0.06per pick | 41cpaid | -19.9%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x096a…0074backed MVK Esports | 40c | 623.41$247 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$246.8 | 55 | 45.5%25 W · 30 L | -1.1wins | -0.02per pick | 47cpaid | -4.5%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe3d4…2bacbacked Team Secret Whales | 64c | 608.97$390 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$219.23 | 701 | 62.2%436 W · 265 L | -37.3wins | -0.05per pick | 68cpaid | -8.5%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x1ab6…078ebacked MVK Esports | 40c | 608$243 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$243.2 | 342 | 50.6%173 W · 169 L | +10.3wins | +0.03per pick | 48cpaid | +11.5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x344b…f7fcbacked Team Secret Whales | 65c | 468$304 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$163.89 | 373 | 45%168 W · 205 L | -4.3wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -15.8%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6d58…8accbacked Team Secret Whales | 61c | 461.64$281 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$180.47 | 288 | 55.9%161 W · 127 L | -20.1wins | -0.07per pick | 63cpaid | -14.5%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x59aa…3376backed MVK Esports | 43c | 461.48$200 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$200 | 1,131 | 43.1%487 W · 644 L | +0.9wins | 0.00per pick | 43cpaid | +1.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x3cf3…eb8ebacked MVK Esports | 35c | 421.75$148 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$147.61 | 178 | 26.4%47 W · 131 L | -0.9wins | -0.01per pick | 27cpaid | -17.1%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x307d…9163backed Team Secret Whales | 65c | 410$266 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$143.7 | 1,183 | 52%615 W · 568 L | -14.3wins | -0.01per pick | 53cpaid | -2.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6690…2da0backed MVK Esports | 20c | 398.41$80 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$79.68 | 26 | 34.6%9 W · 17 L | -0.4wins | -0.02per pick | 36cpaid | -15.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd68e…8048backed Team Secret Whales | 74c | 367.73$272 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$95.55 | 493 | 66.7%329 W · 164 L | -9.0wins | -0.02per pick | 69cpaid | -3.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xd3b0…329ebacked Team Secret Whales | 64c | 362.16$231 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$131.22 | 2,004 | 58.2%1,166 W · 838 L | +86.9wins | +0.04per pick | 54cpaid | +9.6%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xc371…1e28backed Team Secret Whales | 72c | 313.98$226 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$87.86 | 235 | 47.7%112 W · 123 L | -2.4wins | -0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -15.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x74dc…cc04backed Team Secret Whales | 66c | 301.51$198 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$103.51 | 39 | 66.7%26 W · 13 L | +1.9wins | +0.05per pick | 62cpaid | +13%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe0b3…b220backed MVK Esports | 37c | 300$111 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$111 | 358 | 50.8%182 W · 176 L | +13.8wins | +0.04per pick | 47cpaid | +6%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xcb5b…f243backed MVK Esports | 35c | 295$102 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$101.83 | 1,731 | 44.2%765 W · 966 L | -28.4wins | -0.02per pick | 46cpaid | -15.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9d94…017dbacked MVK Esports | 27c | 240.64$66 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$66.17 | 1,592 | 34%541 W · 1,051 L | -79.3wins | -0.05per pick | 39cpaid | -32.1%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xda16…6da2backed MVK Esports | 36c | 239.39$87 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$86.69 | 335 | 52.8%177 W · 158 L | +15.5wins | +0.05per pick | 48cpaid | +9.4%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xbf71…9f1cbacked Team Secret Whales | 72c | 220.91$160 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$60.91 | 37 | 37.8%14 W · 23 L | -2.5wins | -0.07per pick | 44cpaid | -8%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x67be…6e09backed MVK Esports | 32c | 220$70 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$70.1 | 941 | 44.6%420 W · 521 L | -2.4wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x3f05…85c5backed Team Secret Whales | 64c | 187.08$120 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$67.53 | 398 | 61.8%246 W · 152 L | +8.4wins | +0.02per pick | 60cpaid | +4.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5e8c…ec8fbacked Team Secret Whales | 60c | 176.6$106 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$70.64 | 49 | 38.8%19 W · 30 L | -2.5wins | -0.05per pick | 44cpaid | -19.9%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xf828…00a5backed MVK Esports | 11c | 175.96$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 61 | 44.3%27 W · 34 L | -0.9wins | -0.02per pick | 46cpaid | -3.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe70c…c938backed Team Secret Whales | 66c | 173.3$114 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$59.44 | 479 | 51.4%246 W · 233 L | -4.9wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -7.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xc19b…a935backed Team Secret Whales | 61c | 169.2$103 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$65.99 | 219 | 37.9%83 W · 136 L | -0.6wins | 0.00per pick | 38cpaid | -10.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb38c…b2c9backed MVK Esports | 36c | 166$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$59.76 | 431 | 48%207 W · 224 L | +13.7wins | +0.03per pick | 45cpaid | +10.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1349…dc1fbacked Team Secret Whales | 63c | 158.73$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$58.73 | 117 | 50.4%59 W · 58 L | -8.3wins | -0.07per pick | 58cpaid | -10.4%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x2091…b4f8backed MVK Esports | 8c | 144.33$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.1 | 1,175 | 47.4%557 W · 618 L | +42.9wins | +0.04per pick | 44cpaid | +5.5%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xb917…02c6backed Team Secret Whales | 64c | 141$90 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$50.76 | 110 | 60%66 W · 44 L | +10.2wins | +0.09per pick | 51cpaid | +23.2%equal weight | 58+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x0cd9…2a08backed MVK Esports | 28c | 138.45$39 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$38.93 | 392 | 39%153 W · 239 L | +6.8wins | +0.02per pick | 37cpaid | -1%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2f76…6323backed MVK Esports | 14c | 135.08$19 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19.07 | 218 | 10.1%22 W · 196 L | -4.1wins | -0.02per pick | 12cpaid | -23.5%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x75a4…3ff7backed Team Secret Whales | 80c | 127.5$102 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$25.5 | 82 | 69.5%57 W · 25 L | +3.1wins | +0.04per pick | 66cpaid | +11.7%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x968f…2a1fbacked Team Secret Whales | 77c | 119.31$92 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$27.31 | 226 | 46.5%105 W · 121 L | -7.8wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -4.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x4bf2…d280backed MVK Esports | 38c | 110.53$42 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$42 | 219 | 43.8%96 W · 123 L | -1.5wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -3.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x39a8…f170backed Team Secret Whales | 65c | 100$65 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$35 | 5 | 60%3 W · 2 L | +0.5wins | +0.11per pick | 49cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x68ff…997ebacked MVK Esports | 35c | 100$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35 | 88 | 42%37 W · 51 L | -1.5wins | -0.02per pick | 44cpaid | -4.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7482…b7d0backed MVK Esports | 34c | 100$34 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$34 | 79 | 34.2%27 W · 52 L | -2.2wins | -0.03per pick | 37cpaid | -9.7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9f7c…5a30backed Team Secret Whales | 62c | 91.61$57 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$34.81 | 289 | 42.6%123 W · 166 L | +11.9wins | +0.04per pick | 38cpaid | -11.2%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x2249…3005backed Team Secret Whales | 61c | 87$53 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$33.93 | 284 | 58.5%166 W · 118 L | -2.5wins | -0.01per pick | 59cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa825…2ef0backed MVK Esports | 34c | 79.68$27 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$27.09 | 183 | 42.6%78 W · 105 L | -14.6wins | -0.08per pick | 51cpaid | -18%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xbd75…ae75backed Team Secret Whales | 71c | 77.83$55 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$22.83 | 14 | 64.3%9 W · 5 L | +0.2wins | +0.01per pick | 63cpaid | +8.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xecf0…0d38backed MVK Esports | 45c | 77.32$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$35 | 100 | 41%41 W · 59 L | -8.7wins | -0.09per pick | 50cpaid | -24.4%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xf4f8…5bf1backed Team Secret Whales | 60c | 77$46 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$31 | 1,924 | 35.9%691 W · 1,233 L | -97.7wins | -0.05per pick | 41cpaid | -23.2%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xc887…c181backed Team Secret Whales | 80c | 75.81$61 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.16 | 102 | 51%52 W · 50 L | -9.8wins | -0.10per pick | 61cpaid | -21.9%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x5b63…11a4backed Team Secret Whales | 72c | 67.99$49 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$19.28 | 1,593 | 43.8%697 W · 896 L | -74.2wins | -0.05per pick | 48cpaid | -16.2%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xc064…6fa8backed MVK Esports | 35c | 57.17$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 468 | 46.8%219 W · 249 L | -23.6wins | -0.05per pick | 52cpaid | -8.7%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2f4b…69debacked MVK Esports | 39c | 51.28$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 1,048 | 46.1%483 W · 565 L | -43.8wins | -0.04per pick | 50cpaid | -8.9%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x5c18…fadbbacked Team Secret Whales | 67c | 48$32 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.84 | 28 | 50%14 W · 14 L | +0.9wins | +0.03per pick | 47cpaid | +5.7%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe49d…c3dbbacked MVK Esports | 36c | 43.06$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15.5 | 632 | 47.6%301 W · 331 L | -17.9wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -7.2%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xdc30…8780backed MVK Esports | 34c | 40$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.7 | 76 | 46.1%35 W · 41 L | -2.6wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xdcf5…fd4abacked Team Secret Whales | 63c | 39.85$25 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.6 | 7 | 42.9%3 W · 4 L | -1.0wins | -0.14per pick | 57cpaid | -32.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe4f6…e8e2backed Team Secret Whales | 73c | 36.77$27 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$9.91 | 12 | 83.3%10 W · 2 L | +3.0wins | +0.25per pick | 58cpaid | +71.4%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x3abf…b143backed MVK Esports | 38c | 33.94$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.97 | 448 | 43.8%196 W · 252 L | -3.4wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5db0…73f1backed Team Secret Whales | 63c | 31.75$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.75 | 46 | 60.9%28 W · 18 L | -0.2wins | -0.01per pick | 61cpaid | +4.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x52ec…6d41backed MVK Esports | 49c | 31.53$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15.4 | 223 | 55.2%123 W · 100 L | +1.0wins | 0.00per pick | 55cpaid | -2.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xc1e0…70f8backed Team Secret Whales | 65c | 30$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.5 | 59 | 71.2%42 W · 17 L | +4.2wins | +0.07per pick | 64cpaid | +8.9%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xbfa8…cd1ebacked Team Secret Whales | 68c | 29.41$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$9.41 | 791 | 56.1%444 W · 347 L | -2.6wins | 0.00per pick | 56cpaid | -5.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x2dae…a50bbacked MVK Esports | 40c | 25$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10 | 20 | 60%12 W · 8 L | +1.2wins | +0.06per pick | 54cpaid | -5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xc7e0…b300backed Team Secret Whales | 54c | 20$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$9.2 | 123 | 53.7%66 W · 57 L | +3.9wins | +0.03per pick | 51cpaid | +7.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5784…6788backed Team Secret Whales | 79c | 20$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4.2 | 62 | 59.7%37 W · 25 L | +0.7wins | +0.01per pick | 58cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd43c…fde1backed Team Secret Whales | 76c | 15.68$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.76 | 2 | 100%2 W · 0 L | +0.5wins | +0.24per pick | 76cpaid | +31.6%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xd8e9…fd2dbacked Team Secret Whales | 80c | 12.5$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2.5 | 17 | 52.9%9 W · 8 L | -2.2wins | -0.13per pick | 66cpaid | -28.6%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Lol and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 7 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- LoL: Team Secret Whales vs MVK Esports - Game 2 Winnerthis page
- First Blood in Game 1?Team Secret Whales won
- First Blood in Game 2?MVK Esports won
- Game Handicap: TSW (-1.5) vs MVK Esports (+1.5)Team Secret Whales won
- Games Total: O/U 2.5Under won
- LoL: Team Secret Whales vs MVK Esports (BO3) - LCP Regular SeasonTeam Secret Whales won
- LoL: Team Secret Whales vs MVK Esports - Game 1 WinnerTeam Secret Whales won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.