Bundesliga · resolved market
Will SV Werder Bremen vs. BV Borussia 09 Dortmund end in a draw?
https://tailmypicks.com/m/0xdf4d84785157dbdd823264284a3d922381460e9eadb6846128d6f74ba8a864e1
Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Noof Yes, No
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Bundesligaevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $45,318
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $42,493
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $45,318 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 82 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Bundesliga is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Bundesliga | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x3f3a…e8fdbacked No | 76c | 16,886$12,833 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4,052.66 | 72 | 55.6%40 W · 32 L | +3.0wins | +0.04per pick | 51cpaid | +8.7%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x204f…5e14backed Yes | 22c | 5,293$1,175 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,175.26 | 3,284 | 42.6%1,399 W · 1,885 L | -74.0wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -18.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5d0c…bcebbacked Yes | 24c | 5,114$1,236 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,236.41 | 54 | 40.7%22 W · 32 L | -4.1wins | -0.08per pick | 48cpaid | -7.7%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2f0b…5577backed Yes | 25c | 5,056$1,250 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,250 | 16 | 50%8 W · 8 L | +1.4wins | +0.09per pick | 41cpaid | +8.3%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xb946…2671backed Yes | 24c | 4,046$971 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$971.06 | 21 | 33.3%7 W · 14 L | -0.3wins | -0.01per pick | 35cpaid | +23.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x7ea5…de7bbacked Yes | 24c | 4,040$970 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$969.72 | 1,681 | 45.2%759 W · 922 L | +6.8wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xdb83…1e50backed Yes | 24c | 3,366$808 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$807.81 | 264 | 45.5%120 W · 144 L | -2.7wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -7.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x4379…2e16backed No | 75c | 2,974$2,231 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$743.56 | 30 | 73.3%22 W · 8 L | +3.1wins | +0.10per pick | 63cpaid | +14.2%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x4f29…7a7ebacked No | 76c | 2,599$1,973 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$625.72 | 42 | 64.3%27 W · 15 L | +4.4wins | +0.11per pick | 54cpaid | +12.7%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x180a…54a6backed Yes | 24c | 1,643$401 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$401 | 4 | 25%1 W · 3 L | -0.3wins | -0.08per pick | 33cpaid | -47.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x287a…02d2backed No | 74c | 1,188$879 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$308.75 | 23 | 69.6%16 W · 7 L | -1.0wins | -0.05per pick | 74cpaid | -6.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0178…3f7abacked Yes | 35c | 1,163$407 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$407.21 | 52 | 46.2%24 W · 28 L | -3.4wins | -0.06per pick | 53cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x0346…52a5backed No | 77c | 1,158$890 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$267.83 | 283 | 45.2%128 W · 155 L | +6.0wins | +0.02per pick | 43cpaid | -5.9%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xd81f…6b75backed Yes | 24c | 1,000$240 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$240 | 144 | 47.9%69 W · 75 L | +0.8wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | -1.1%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0x4951…3038backed No | 77c | 623.38$480 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$143.38 | 10 | 50%5 W · 5 L | -1.2wins | -0.12per pick | 62cpaid | -31%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x84ad…bfb7backed Yes | 26c | 599.76$156 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$155.68 | 640 | 43.9%281 W · 359 L | -9.7wins | -0.02per pick | 45cpaid | -17.6%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x01c7…e995backed Yes | 23c | 487.64$114 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$113.78 | 1,013 | 44.5%451 W · 562 L | -8.2wins | -0.01per pick | 45cpaid | -20.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8351…9bebbacked Yes | 24c | 416.67$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 49 | 24.5%12 W · 37 L | -1.9wins | -0.04per pick | 28cpaid | +0.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x2d6a…8addbacked Yes | 23c | 399.99$94 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$93.88 | 420 | 46.4%195 W · 225 L | -10.1wins | -0.02per pick | 49cpaid | -8.9%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa697…59d5backed No | 75c | 378.39$284 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$94.6 | 298 | 55.4%165 W · 133 L | +11.2wins | +0.04per pick | 52cpaid | +7.9%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x15ac…f3babacked Yes | 44c | 360.99$160 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$160.27 | 25 | 52%13 W · 12 L | +0.4wins | +0.02per pick | 50cpaid | +5.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1df2…89a0backed No | 56c | 359.51$201 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$158.12 | 62 | 32.3%20 W · 42 L | +2.3wins | +0.04per pick | 28cpaid | -25.3%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x222b…1a8dbacked No | 78c | 336.61$262 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$74.36 | 42 | 57.1%24 W · 18 L | +2.5wins | +0.06per pick | 51cpaid | -14.5%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x7203…795abacked No | 63c | 315.42$200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$115.76 | 65 | 64.6%42 W · 23 L | +4.8wins | +0.07per pick | 57cpaid | +15.8%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xa38e…8917backed No | 65c | 307.37$200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$107.58 | 47 | 59.6%28 W · 19 L | +3.2wins | +0.07per pick | 53cpaid | +12.3%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x587b…2622backed Yes | 59c | 299.97$177 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$176.68 | 194 | 58.2%113 W · 81 L | +9.8wins | +0.05per pick | 53cpaid | +28%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xb7a7…55bebacked Yes | 24c | 291.67$70 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$70 | 15 | 33.3%5 W · 10 L | -2.4wins | -0.16per pick | 49cpaid | -32.3%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x7edb…7993backed No | 74c | 286$212 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$73.76 | 113 | 56.6%64 W · 49 L | +3.2wins | +0.03per pick | 54cpaid | -11.9%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x40d0…4415backed No | 75c | 247.6$186 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$61.9 | 53 | 49.1%26 W · 27 L | -4.0wins | -0.08per pick | 57cpaid | -12.2%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x8dd8…9a1cbacked No | 45c | 239.28$108 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$131.26 | 29 | 65.5%19 W · 10 L | +4.0wins | +0.14per pick | 52cpaid | +16.4%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x3fcb…f5ebbacked Yes | 24c | 208.33$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 69 | 40.6%28 W · 41 L | +2.2wins | +0.03per pick | 37cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xba67…4727backed No | 76c | 206$157 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$49.44 | 157 | 47.1%74 W · 83 L | +0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | +3.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xf2ba…4028backed Yes | 28c | 200$56 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$56 | 388 | 45.6%177 W · 211 L | +3.8wins | +0.01per pick | 45cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2e91…4e8bbacked Yes | 25c | 200$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 28 | 28.6%8 W · 20 L | -1.8wins | -0.07per pick | 35cpaid | -37.1%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x03ba…bebabacked No | 77c | 199.92$155 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$45.36 | 74 | 55.4%41 W · 33 L | +4.0wins | +0.05per pick | 50cpaid | -1.3%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x6b17…03b2backed Yes | 37c | 183.02$68 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$68.31 | 43 | 27.9%12 W · 31 L | -0.4wins | -0.01per pick | 29cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdd55…c9bfbacked Yes | 26c | 155.69$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40 | 41 | 53.7%22 W · 19 L | +3.4wins | +0.08per pick | 45cpaid | +26.3%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x9b78…473dbacked No | 65c | 153.78$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$53.82 | 53 | 58.5%31 W · 22 L | +2.7wins | +0.05per pick | 53cpaid | +31.7%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xc551…fa51backed No | 65c | 153.58$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$53.75 | 62 | 64.5%40 W · 22 L | +7.2wins | +0.12per pick | 53cpaid | +23.6%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xbd93…56c0backed No | 65c | 153.58$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$53.75 | 54 | 57.4%31 W · 23 L | +2.6wins | +0.05per pick | 53cpaid | +26.9%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1f42…a8febacked No | 65c | 152.76$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$52.76 | 8 | 62.5%5 W · 3 L | -0.1wins | -0.01per pick | 64cpaid | +6.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd37a…2358backed No | 76c | 151$115 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.24 | 624 | 52.6%328 W · 296 L | -9.9wins | -0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -4.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x005c…a987backed No | 75c | 130$98 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$32.5 | 113 | 54.9%62 W · 51 L | +8.0wins | +0.07per pick | 48cpaid | +16.2%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x2005…75eabacked Yes | 15c | 121.1$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$18.22 | 2,538 | 39.8%1,009 W · 1,529 L | -8.1wins | 0.00per pick | 40cpaid | -11.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xa509…ae46backed No | 74c | 116.33$86 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$30.61 | 398 | 57.5%229 W · 169 L | +20.0wins | +0.05per pick | 53cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x3907…dfbbbacked Yes | 19c | 107.57$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.19per pick | 19cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdc4f…9804backed Yes | 24c | 100$24 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$24 | 168 | 46.4%78 W · 90 L | +1.6wins | +0.01per pick | 45cpaid | +0.6%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5b62…d87fbacked No | 76c | 100$76 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24 | 84 | 58.3%49 W · 35 L | 0.0wins | 0.00per pick | 58cpaid | +0.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd5bf…f0ccbacked Yes | 51c | 95.1$48 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$48.34 | 66 | 65.2%43 W · 23 L | +12.5wins | +0.19per pick | 46cpaid | +49.8%equal weight | 65+0.14 edge/pick |
| 0x7fea…8f74backed No | 75c | 93.03$70 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$22.89 | 41 | 53.7%22 W · 19 L | +1.4wins | +0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -3.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8b0b…12ffbacked Yes | 18c | 90.22$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.24 | 53 | 41.5%22 W · 31 L | -2.7wins | -0.05per pick | 47cpaid | -11.5%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x6833…2011backed Yes | 24c | 83.33$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 2 | 0%0 W · 2 L | -0.5wins | -0.25per pick | 25cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5df5…c44cbacked No | 74c | 83$61 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.95 | 147 | 55.8%82 W · 65 L | +5.9wins | +0.04per pick | 52cpaid | -1.5%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x6762…a9a5backed No | 52c | 79.15$41 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$37.78 | 20 | 70%14 W · 6 L | +2.5wins | +0.13per pick | 57cpaid | +20.8%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x7511…582ebacked No | 65c | 78.76$51 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$27.84 | 140 | 55%77 W · 63 L | +1.5wins | +0.01per pick | 54cpaid | +2.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x32c0…c82cbacked No | 65c | 76.78$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$26.87 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.11per pick | 61cpaid | -23.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa79d…ee14backed No | 64c | 76.67$49 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$27.22 | 13 | 69.2%9 W · 4 L | +1.6wins | +0.12per pick | 57cpaid | +22.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x39fc…e2f2backed No | 61c | 75$46 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$29.25 | 88 | 44.3%39 W · 49 L | +3.1wins | +0.04per pick | 41cpaid | +1.6%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9605…a2c4backed Yes | 24c | 74.63$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$17.91 | 37 | 35.1%13 W · 24 L | -5.3wins | -0.14per pick | 50cpaid | -38.6%equal weight | 40-0.09 edge/pick |
| 0x84cf…2f63backed Yes | 24c | 71.39$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$17.13 | 75 | 38.7%29 W · 46 L | -2.1wins | -0.03per pick | 41cpaid | -9.7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x42e7…d4ccbacked No | 77c | 64.94$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.94 | 3 | 66.7%2 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.08per pick | 75cpaid | -12.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2fab…9db1backed Yes | 24c | 62.5$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 17 | 11.8%2 W · 15 L | -1.8wins | -0.10per pick | 22cpaid | -31.2%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x6b55…b1cebacked Yes | 33c | 60.61$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 10 | 50%5 W · 5 L | +0.9wins | +0.09per pick | 41cpaid | +5%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xd96a…d8cebacked Yes | 24c | 60.35$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.68 | 10 | 20%2 W · 8 L | +0.2wins | +0.02per pick | 18cpaid | -23%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0x1e3b…e232backed No | 76c | 60.17$46 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.44 | 202 | 51%103 W · 99 L | -4.3wins | -0.02per pick | 53cpaid | -5.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2a69…d2f7backed Yes | 24c | 57.82$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.88 | 435 | 32.2%140 W · 295 L | -2.9wins | -0.01per pick | 33cpaid | -9.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdc67…6f13backed No | 76c | 57$43 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$13.68 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -1.3wins | -0.42per pick | 75cpaid | -56.1%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x2e7f…a844backed No | 72c | 56$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$15.96 | 35 | 57.1%20 W · 15 L | 0.0wins | 0.00per pick | 57cpaid | -8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x67af…61eebacked No | 74c | 55$41 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.47 | 50 | 64%32 W · 18 L | +5.0wins | +0.10per pick | 54cpaid | +5.2%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x9079…b19bbacked No | 39c | 51.69$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$31.53 | 56 | 53.6%30 W · 26 L | -0.2wins | 0.00per pick | 54cpaid | -5.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x7cff…acfcbacked Yes | 24c | 50.54$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.13 | 4 | 50%2 W · 2 L | +0.2wins | +0.06per pick | 44cpaid | -3.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x43e8…5ba4backed Yes | 26c | 49.48$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13 | 21 | 19%4 W · 17 L | -0.7wins | -0.03per pick | 22cpaid | -23.9%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x4ec3…34a7backed Yes | 46c | 45$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.7 | 56 | 48.2%27 W · 29 L | -2.5wins | -0.05per pick | 53cpaid | -9.6%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x7138…8c89backed No | 76c | 44.28$34 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.63 | 113 | 38.9%44 W · 69 L | -3.7wins | -0.03per pick | 42cpaid | -9.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xadfb…c2efbacked No | 76c | 41.67$32 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10 | 386 | 46.9%181 W · 205 L | -7.6wins | -0.02per pick | 49cpaid | -7.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x628d…a012backed Yes | 25c | 40$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10 | 14 | 35.7%5 W · 9 L | -0.3wins | -0.02per pick | 38cpaid | +7.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa73d…b089backed No | 64c | 30.7$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.9 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.14per pick | 64cpaid | -22.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2ecd…5d94backed No | 65c | 30.43$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.65 | 1 | 100%1 W · 0 L | +0.4wins | +0.35per pick | 65cpaid | +53.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3a4c…ad2fbacked No | 77c | 25.32$19 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.82 | 51 | 52.9%27 W · 24 L | -6.3wins | -0.12per pick | 65cpaid | -18.5%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xd218…b5c9backed No | 60c | 20.5$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$8.2 | 337 | 37.4%126 W · 211 L | -11.2wins | -0.03per pick | 41cpaid | -20.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa554…f71abacked No | 65c | 17.68$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.19 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | 0.0wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -23.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x9369…c867backed No | 77c | 13$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2.99 | 10 | 80%8 W · 2 L | +1.0wins | +0.10per pick | 70cpaid | +18.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Bundesliga and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 3 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Will SV Werder Bremen vs. BV Borussia 09 Dortmund end in a draw?this page
- Will BV Borussia 09 Dortmund win on 2026-05-16?Yes won
- Will SV Werder Bremen win on 2026-05-16?No won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.