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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Flame Team vs 4ikibamboni (BO3) - European Pro League Group B

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Flame Teamof Flame Team, 4ikibamboni
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$91,365
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$100,494

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $91,365 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 136 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xff34…694bbacked 4ikibamboni54c13,070$7,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,000.1477256.5%436 W · 336 L+30.3wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+0.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe59f…0d08backed Flame Team50c10,905$5,404 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,501.3421155.5%117 W · 94 L+17.3wins+0.08per pick47cpaid+6.3%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xb877…4601backed Flame Team23c3,042$687 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,354.8341455.6%230 W · 184 L+41.4wins+0.10per pick46cpaid+19.9%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x0c99…0c88backed 4ikibamboni76c3,000$2,282 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,281.651,16447.2%549 W · 615 L-29.1wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-9.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3413…8ff2backed Flame Team48c3,000$1,440 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,56047646.4%221 W · 255 L+27.2wins+0.06per pick41cpaid+12.6%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xbfab…f067backed Flame Team47c2,916$1,368 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,548.0848057.1%274 W · 206 L+8.3wins+0.02per pick55cpaid-3.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed 4ikibamboni57c2,469$1,413 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,412.582,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xdb55…51ddbacked 4ikibamboni21c2,262$483 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$482.5135960.4%217 W · 142 L-1.3wins0.00per pick61cpaid-5.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x26f8…3452backed Flame Team66c2,260$1,485 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$775.1715457.1%88 W · 66 L-0.3wins0.00per pick57cpaid-4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf3ce…a57abacked Flame Team59c2,233$1,316 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$917.441,20259.3%713 W · 489 L+64.6wins+0.05per pick54cpaid+10.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked 4ikibamboni36c1,494$537 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$537.161,90147.6%905 W · 996 L+4.6wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfb67…fd46backed 4ikibamboni30c1,074$317 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$317.29533.7%32 W · 63 L-2.4wins-0.03per pick36cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xdfaf…d959backed Flame Team29c1,036$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$735.796541.5%27 W · 38 L-3.4wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-0.3%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x824b…8386backed 4ikibamboni60c991.7$593 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$593.0315848.1%76 W · 82 L-13.8wins-0.09per pick57cpaid-21.6%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0x84ad…bfb7backed 4ikibamboni63c852$536 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$536.3445750.8%232 W · 225 L+14.3wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-5.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x57b2…9da2backed Flame Team49c831.68$407 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$424.2313941.7%58 W · 81 L+1.3wins+0.01per pick41cpaid+5.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2e62…b22ebacked Flame Team32c818.89$260 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$559.273737.8%14 W · 23 L+1.0wins+0.03per pick35cpaid-1.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x245d…3b90backed Flame Team73c785$569 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$215.75735.1%20 W · 37 L+1.9wins+0.03per pick32cpaid-23.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x505f…645ebacked 4ikibamboni45c780.4$352 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$351.961,28045%576 W · 704 L-12.7wins-0.01per pick46cpaid-15%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x880d…39bcbacked Flame Team66c700$459 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$241.0132756.9%186 W · 141 L+8.9wins+0.03per pick54cpaid-0.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed 4ikibamboni55c653.84$363 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$362.5671143%306 W · 405 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-14.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf34b…bcb3backed Flame Team52c640$332 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$308.3758356.8%331 W · 252 L+28.7wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+9.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x0c67…d062backed Flame Team52c576.65$298 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$278.561,13742.3%481 W · 656 L-27.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xa474…32cbbacked 4ikibamboni53c552.81$293 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$292.5953844.4%239 W · 299 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x98a7…b766backed 4ikibamboni38c546.84$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$210.0860251.2%308 W · 294 L+3.9wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-3.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5929…4684backed Flame Team57c531.43$305 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$226.61,26049.7%626 W · 634 L+21.7wins+0.02per pick48cpaid-5.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x0593…9712backed 4ikibamboni71c524.49$371 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$371.321769.1%150 W · 67 L+16.9wins+0.08per pick61cpaid+9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x59e2…1c55backed 4ikibamboni43c460.26$197 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$196.8247548%228 W · 247 L-10.1wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-12%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1052…441bbacked 4ikibamboni73c446.54$327 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$326.693754.1%20 W · 17 L-1.5wins-0.04per pick58cpaid-12.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x41a5…75bbbacked Flame Team13c402.98$52 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$350.5961449.5%304 W · 310 L+9.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+4.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9ca2…088ebacked 4ikibamboni15c400$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$604742.6%20 W · 27 L+1.7wins+0.04per pick39cpaid-8.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x60ec…f7b0backed Flame Team77c388.94$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.1850353.9%271 W · 232 L+26.7wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+4.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf66e…14b7backed 4ikibamboni36c376.6$135 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$135.0517443.1%75 W · 99 L-8.2wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-19.3%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xe1d3…b8debacked Flame Team20c375.49$76 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$299.0670052.3%366 W · 334 L+47.1wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+13.2%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x685f…c586backed 4ikibamboni60c362.51$218 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$217.912548%12 W · 13 L-3.3wins-0.13per pick61cpaid-16.9%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0xec54…c7b2backed Flame Team53c359.25$190 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$168.9515650.6%79 W · 77 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-2.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x904e…0becbacked Flame Team42c353.34$149 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$204.021,45848.5%707 W · 751 L+27.0wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-14.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd6d3…bab9backed 4ikibamboni28c350$99 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99.457041.4%29 W · 41 L-2.9wins-0.04per pick46cpaid-10.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x69b7…ae1dbacked 4ikibamboni64c341.75$219 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$218.897471.6%53 W · 21 L+3.8wins+0.05per pick66cpaid+7.4%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x80d8…b703backed 4ikibamboni57c317$182 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$182.0574549.3%367 W · 378 L0.0wins0.00per pick49cpaid-2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x130b…a733backed 4ikibamboni66c316.03$209 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$208.84475%3 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.18per pick57cpaid+38.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x1747…4afcbacked 4ikibamboni30c311.19$95 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$94.6414343.4%62 W · 81 L+0.4wins0.00per pick43cpaid-7.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6326…6329backed Flame Team71c299.98$213 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$87.3915545.2%70 W · 85 L+3.7wins+0.02per pick43cpaid+6.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x14f3…0796backed 4ikibamboni36c273.52$99 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99.434041.2%140 W · 200 L-10.3wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-15%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xd7d3…698bbacked Flame Team59c264.34$155 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$109.2448053.1%255 W · 225 L+25.4wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+4.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6e31…0e6ebacked 4ikibamboni71c245.63$175 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$17515069.3%104 W · 46 L-5.9wins-0.04per pick73cpaid-5.7%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x5799…db25backed 4ikibamboni43c232.56$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10046049.8%229 W · 231 L+2.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.9%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x3a95…343bbacked Flame Team11c231.62$25 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$206.1469835.2%246 W · 452 L+15.7wins+0.02per pick33cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe564…221abacked Flame Team28c219.33$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$158.999322.6%21 W · 72 L-7.1wins-0.08per pick30cpaid-24.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x6cad…48b5backed Flame Team29c217.52$63 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$154.52250%1 W · 1 L+0.5wins+0.24per pick26cpaid+72.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2957…b26abacked Flame Team27c210.07$56 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$154.079543.2%41 W · 54 L+0.4wins0.00per pick43cpaid-4.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfcef…fd7fbacked 4ikibamboni62c209.78$131 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$130.523852.6%20 W · 18 L+1.2wins+0.03per pick50cpaid-3.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x316f…795abacked 4ikibamboni15c200$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3028336.4%103 W · 180 L+1.0wins0.00per pick36cpaid-19.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x90bb…531fbacked 4ikibamboni15c200$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$304337.2%16 W · 27 L+0.1wins0.00per pick37cpaid-9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x703b…e371backed Flame Team34c200$68 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$13251544.9%231 W · 284 L+40.9wins+0.08per pick37cpaid+3.9%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0x02a4…6854backed 4ikibamboni57c200$114 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$113.61,79755.8%1,003 W · 794 L+37.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5b0c…d43abacked Flame Team54c199.99$108 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9221253.8%114 W · 98 L-2.9wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x54fa…2c2ebacked Flame Team30c195.61$59 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$136.793828.9%11 W · 27 L-3.7wins-0.10per pick39cpaid-34%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x156b…c533backed 4ikibamboni52c188.65$98 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$986163.9%39 W · 22 L-1.9wins-0.03per pick67cpaid-3.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8dd4…7401backed 4ikibamboni56c182.6$102 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.6935430.5%108 W · 246 L-27.2wins-0.08per pick38cpaid-41.4%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x5867…2e20backed Flame Team25c181.63$45 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$136.6325339.1%99 W · 154 L-2.8wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-11.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6e44…21bcbacked Flame Team58c177.19$103 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.279859%471 W · 327 L+16.1wins+0.02per pick57cpaid-2.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1cff…3984backed 4ikibamboni62c173.29$108 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1084148.8%20 W · 21 L+1.2wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+2.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1982…bc7bbacked 4ikibamboni49c171.18$84 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$83.7310244.1%45 W · 57 L-2.3wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-3.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc622…affdbacked Flame Team40c150$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$906145.9%28 W · 33 L+2.7wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+0.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x4e8a…a117backed 4ikibamboni36c146.24$53 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$53.321711.8%2 W · 15 L-5.4wins-0.32per pick43cpaid-82.9%equal weight36-0.13 edge/pick
0x0abb…d188backed Flame Team70c144.28$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$43.961100%1 W · 0 L+0.3wins+0.30per pick70cpaid+43.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xac19…65bfbacked 4ikibamboni75c142.44$107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.7320%0 W · 2 L-1.4wins-0.70per pick70cpaid-100%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x2ca8…7e67backed Flame Team30c132.48$39 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$93.361942.1%8 W · 11 L+1.8wins+0.09per pick33cpaid+41.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x1cdd…e595backed 4ikibamboni42c130.67$55 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$55.1978516.6%130 W · 655 L-135.4wins-0.17per pick34cpaid-66.7%equal weight31-0.17 edge/pick
0x888d…290cbacked Flame Team42c130.62$55 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$75.661050%5 W · 5 L+0.3wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9d8e…156fbacked 4ikibamboni37c129.1$47 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$47.324252.4%22 W · 20 L+5.6wins+0.13per pick39cpaid+18.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xcc75…af4dbacked 4ikibamboni15c125$19 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18.759150.5%46 W · 45 L+12.5wins+0.14per pick37cpaid+23.6%equal weight62+0.11 edge/pick
0x93ed…a4cbbacked Flame Team31c124.52$38 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$86.526841.2%28 W · 40 L-6.2wins-0.09per pick50cpaid-21.7%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0x36d8…c7c7backed Flame Team39c119.56$46 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.2123342.9%100 W · 133 L-0.2wins0.00per pick43cpaid-6.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xabb5…ea33backed 4ikibamboni76c116.56$88 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$88.171163.6%7 W · 4 L-0.6wins-0.06per pick69cpaid-5.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2e3c…08babacked 4ikibamboni54c107.75$58 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58.441,70241.2%701 W · 1,001 L-44.0wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-26.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1755…b972backed Flame Team29c105$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.55450%2 W · 2 L+0.3wins+0.09per pick41cpaid+20.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb2f9…eb15backed Flame Team31c100$31 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$695253.8%28 W · 24 L+4.7wins+0.09per pick45cpaid+20.7%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x58f9…7d44backed 4ikibamboni59c100$59 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58.96863.2%43 W · 25 L-1.3wins-0.02per pick65cpaid-8.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x9a8e…9408backed Flame Team33c100$33 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6796245.5%438 W · 524 L+22.1wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-2.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1b43…04e2backed 4ikibamboni62c100$62 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$62540%2 W · 3 L-0.6wins-0.13per pick53cpaid-14.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf1f4…59eabacked 4ikibamboni28c98.95$28 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27.712030%6 W · 14 L+2.2wins+0.11per pick19cpaid+47.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x3ae0…8661backed Flame Team28c98.94$28 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$70.815940.9%65 W · 94 L-9.4wins-0.06per pick47cpaid-18.3%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x99ad…fa27backed 4ikibamboni41c97.18$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4010%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.41per pick41cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4255…1792backed Flame Team27c96.36$26 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$70.3413731.4%43 W · 94 L-4.7wins-0.03per pick35cpaid-12.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc7d0…1f8abacked 4ikibamboni36c96.34$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34.2766545.6%303 W · 362 L+13.5wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-14.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2b35…0bfebacked 4ikibamboni63c95$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$59.8526445.1%119 W · 145 L-4.9wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-4.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf7ff…a74cbacked 4ikibamboni80c90$72 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$71.831421.4%3 W · 11 L-3.8wins-0.27per pick49cpaid-45.8%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0xdb83…1e50backed Flame Team28c87.94$25 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$63.3265647.3%310 W · 346 L-8.0wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-8.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x11ff…4447backed Flame Team45c80.08$36 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$44.4222534.2%77 W · 148 L-8.0wins-0.04per pick38cpaid-10.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xdc89…095cbacked 4ikibamboni35c78$27 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27.213852.6%20 W · 18 L+3.0wins+0.08per pick45cpaid-1.6%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x5430…fbbbbacked Flame Team34c76.47$26 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50.472733.3%9 W · 18 L-3.0wins-0.11per pick44cpaid-31.3%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x99f7…1a59backed Flame Team39c75$29 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$45.7525351.4%130 W · 123 L+23.3wins+0.09per pick42cpaid+17.6%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xdc7d…8895backed 4ikibamboni69c72.46$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5028252.5%148 W · 134 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-3.8%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x3147…2b50backed 4ikibamboni21c71$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15.041546.7%7 W · 8 L+1.3wins+0.09per pick38cpaid+25%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x5f31…a362backed 4ikibamboni74c69.84$52 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5216558.2%96 W · 69 L-0.2wins0.00per pick58cpaid-3.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5fa2…6df9backed Flame Team27c68$18 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$49.722857.1%16 W · 12 L+1.5wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+0.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb41e…26f6backed 4ikibamboni66c67.79$45 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$45250%1 W · 1 L-0.1wins-0.03per pick53cpaid+27.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa574…4596backed 4ikibamboni68c60$41 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.941844.4%8 W · 10 L-1.5wins-0.08per pick53cpaid-8%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.