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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Team Falcons - Game 1 Winner

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Liquidof Team Liquid, Team Falcons
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$189,895
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$223,567

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $189,895 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 121 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xa5ea…d96abacked Team Falcons29c103,000$29,430 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$29,429.9828748.8%140 W · 147 L-4.9wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-5.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf9b5…09eebacked Team Liquid70c49,102$34,294 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$14,808.1855157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe90b…5da2backed Team Liquid73c46,599$34,018 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12,581.852356.5%13 W · 10 L+0.3wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x66fb…9f72backed Team Liquid60c7,275$4,400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,874.5654556.5%308 W · 237 L+10.4wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xcdfb…980cbacked Team Falcons25c6,000$1,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,50017546.9%82 W · 93 L-4.3wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-9.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x87da…53d1backed Team Liquid71c4,821$3,411 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,410.6996557.4%554 W · 411 L+49.5wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+7.1%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf679…16acbacked Team Liquid64c4,430$2,829 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,601.0122954.1%124 W · 105 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xb04b…e2d4backed Team Falcons32c4,245$1,378 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,378.2716142.9%69 W · 92 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+0.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x336b…1233backed Team Falcons38c4,110$1,562 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,561.711136.4%4 W · 7 L-1.0wins-0.09per pick45cpaid-17.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x913c…39b3backed Team Falcons22c3,938$858 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$858.2671454.5%389 W · 325 L+55.6wins+0.08per pick47cpaid+7.9%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0x8725…eb10backed Team Falcons43c3,440$1,489 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,488.5177941.1%320 W · 459 L-7.9wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-4.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2146…d41bbacked Team Falcons35c3,292$1,143 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,14389741.5%372 W · 525 L+22.7wins+0.03per pick39cpaid-2.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xdb63…a71dbacked Team Liquid70c3,149$2,204 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$944.620159.7%120 W · 81 L+9.9wins+0.05per pick55cpaid+7.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x93bc…8ca3backed Team Falcons40c3,131$1,251 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,251.1289440.3%360 W · 534 L+1.3wins0.00per pick40cpaid-2.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xde18…83bcbacked Team Falcons43c3,000$1,290 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,29010%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.43per pick43cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Team Liquid76c2,750$2,087 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$663.112,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3c29…21aabacked Team Liquid62c2,583$1,600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$983.278060%48 W · 32 L+3.2wins+0.04per pick56cpaid+3.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8a38…fee0backed Team Liquid67c2,400$1,604 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$79660349.9%301 W · 302 L-3.1wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-4.4%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x0dcf…c556backed Team Liquid57c2,159$1,231 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$928.4333746.3%156 W · 181 L-4.2wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-4.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd06c…cdafbacked Team Falcons33c1,971$658 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$658.011,18643.2%512 W · 674 L+42.2wins+0.04per pick40cpaid+1.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2f72…adc6backed Team Liquid79c1,783$1,408 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$375.183066.7%20 W · 10 L+2.2wins+0.07per pick59cpaid+13.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x4ec4…6529backed Team Falcons31c1,700$527 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5271650%8 W · 8 L+1.5wins+0.09per pick41cpaid+47.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xcb5b…f243backed Team Falcons37c1,667$614 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$613.921,27245%572 W · 700 L-40.5wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-17.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x57ba…d369backed Team Liquid66c1,500$990 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$51014648.6%71 W · 75 L-8.7wins-0.06per pick55cpaid-14%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xcbf4…e3a6backed Team Falcons39c1,300$507 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5079345.2%42 W · 51 L+5.4wins+0.06per pick39cpaid+14.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xa27c…ab67backed Team Liquid75c1,252$939 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$313.0679959.4%475 W · 324 L+4.1wins+0.01per pick59cpaid-2.1%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xa474…32cbbacked Team Falcons44c1,140$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$499.853844.4%239 W · 299 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0738…6392backed Team Liquid68c1,010$687 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$323.221264.2%136 W · 76 L+2.4wins+0.01per pick63cpaid+0.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6fd3…3d7abacked Team Liquid73c1,000$730 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27029047.9%139 W · 151 L-2.0wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-11.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0659…d74dbacked Team Liquid66c998.99$658 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$340.7785851.3%440 W · 418 L+30.8wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+7.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xe584…e6e2backed Team Liquid60c884.02$530 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$353.612100%2 W · 0 L+0.8wins+0.41per pick59cpaid+69.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9942…5c84backed Team Liquid67c746.27$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$246.2726453%140 W · 124 L+0.2wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xed10…15edbacked Team Liquid66c699.98$462 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$237.9988166.7%588 W · 293 L+76.3wins+0.09per pick58cpaid+12.5%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Team Falcons41c632.58$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$259.8460542.6%258 W · 347 L-14.6wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-7.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed Team Liquid76c558.4$424 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$133.982,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x0d4d…fe4abacked Team Liquid62c553.89$345 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$209.31963.2%12 W · 7 L+0.8wins+0.04per pick59cpaid+3.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd679…9ccfbacked Team Liquid59c506.15$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$206.1514058.6%82 W · 58 L+11.7wins+0.08per pick50cpaid+9.5%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x8fc2…64d1backed Team Liquid56c470$263 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$206.811043.6%48 W · 62 L+3.5wins+0.03per pick40cpaid+14.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x084b…3de6backed Team Falcons23c387.15$90 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$89.8510741.1%44 W · 63 L-2.1wins-0.02per pick43cpaid-18.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfec0…aeb9backed Team Liquid57c375$213 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$161.581283.3%10 W · 2 L+3.4wins+0.28per pick55cpaid+60.4%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x6503…0c3dbacked Team Liquid68c369.24$252 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$117.068461.9%52 W · 32 L+5.3wins+0.06per pick56cpaid+7.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xec56…dd09backed Team Liquid56c360$202 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$158.41100%1 W · 0 L+0.4wins+0.44per pick56cpaid+78.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4d82…4f03backed Team Liquid59c341.83$201 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$140.472100%2 W · 0 L+0.7wins+0.35per pick65cpaid+54.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4214…db99backed Team Falcons13c313.85$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4036343.3%157 W · 206 L+2.6wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2da7…27ccbacked Team Liquid64c313.4$199 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.91963.2%12 W · 7 L+0.4wins+0.02per pick61cpaid-2.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd055…28d0backed Team Liquid56c310$174 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$136.426550.6%134 W · 131 L+12.0wins+0.05per pick46cpaid+6.2%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x1816…06e9backed Team Falcons41c300$123 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$123944.4%4 W · 5 L-0.9wins-0.10per pick55cpaid-23.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x6998…ae95backed Team Falcons12c300$36 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$36.216821.4%36 W · 132 L+0.4wins0.00per pick21cpaid-20.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1f04…5fc4backed Team Falcons34c300$103 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$103.431545.4%143 W · 172 L-19.2wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x1f46…cddbbacked Team Liquid60c297.02$178 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$118.8124052.1%125 W · 115 L+1.5wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb9fb…95fbbacked Team Liquid68c294.65$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94.658854.5%48 W · 40 L+2.4wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x65e0…e51dbacked Team Falcons17c294.12$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5019443.3%84 W · 110 L-9.2wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-15.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x9767…b5c4backed Team Liquid69c289.86$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.8615946.5%74 W · 85 L+0.7wins0.00per pick46cpaid-2.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x77f2…eec6backed Team Liquid71c281.91$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.9155457.8%320 W · 234 L+12.3wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+0.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x80ac…6ac9backed Team Liquid60c250$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1002100%2 W · 0 L+0.9wins+0.44per pick56cpaid+77.7%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x368d…d853backed Team Liquid75c235$176 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$58.7561548.8%300 W · 315 L+8.2wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2f1f…aa39backed Team Liquid78c227.27$177 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5045061.6%277 W · 173 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick60cpaid-0.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6f19…b9ffbacked Team Liquid59c225.85$133 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.62744.4%12 W · 15 L-1.3wins-0.05per pick49cpaid+0.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x6d96…d524backed Team Liquid67c223.53$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.5326957.6%155 W · 114 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfc5b…a699backed Team Falcons29c221.48$65 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$64.94911.1%1 W · 8 L-2.3wins-0.26per pick37cpaid-74.7%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x55d8…0cf5backed Team Falcons11c220$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$24333.3%1 W · 2 L+0.3wins+0.09per pick25cpaid+39%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Team Falcons33c219.24$71 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$71.451,52137.9%576 W · 945 L-57.8wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-26.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xac93…0cfcbacked Team Liquid58c215.52$125 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$90.5258152.5%305 W · 276 L-10.5wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-6.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1fe6…5d3fbacked Team Falcons22c201.85$44 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$44.419430.9%29 W · 65 L-6.0wins-0.06per pick37cpaid-25.9%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x3cec…4134backed Team Falcons32c200$64 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$643548.6%17 W · 18 L+2.7wins+0.08per pick41cpaid+13.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xa76e…dcb6backed Team Falcons43c200$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8634154.5%186 W · 155 L+15.8wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+12.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xa07d…a037backed Team Falcons32c196.67$62 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$62.471,03416.3%169 W · 865 L-158.1wins-0.15per pick32cpaid-51%equal weight33-0.15 edge/pick
0xfcf2…a469backed Team Liquid69c196.32$135 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$61.613455.2%74 W · 60 L+7.4wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+2.7%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x1d0c…6e84backed Team Falcons19c196.15$37 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$37616.7%1 W · 5 L-1.8wins-0.29per pick46cpaid-68.6%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x02a4…6854backed Team Liquid70c190$134 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56.31,79755.8%1,003 W · 794 L+37.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbda6…6ae0backed Team Liquid69c187$129 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$57.8236051.9%187 W · 173 L+6.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x28ba…9fecbacked Team Falcons32c185.13$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6010546.7%49 W · 56 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-2.9%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x92d2…f804backed Team Liquid70c182.21$128 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$54.141464.3%9 W · 5 L+1.5wins+0.11per pick54cpaid+24.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x53f0…fff4backed Team Liquid67c172.59$116 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$56.594772.3%34 W · 13 L+3.8wins+0.08per pick64cpaid+17.6%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x2160…bcb3backed Team Liquid60c151.03$91 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60.4143647.5%207 W · 229 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5639…7246backed Team Falcons8c142.57$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.41366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.6wins+0.19per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1532…1dadbacked Team Liquid70c140$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$42.2522654.4%123 W · 103 L+0.1wins0.00per pick54cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7bef…be32backed Team Falcons33c136.36$45 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4513449.3%66 W · 68 L+2.5wins+0.02per pick47cpaid+5.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5261…3ddbbacked Team Falcons25c128$32 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$323661.1%22 W · 14 L+3.9wins+0.11per pick50cpaid+17.7%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xb4e7…6a52backed Team Liquid73c123.5$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$33.356256.5%35 W · 27 L+3.0wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+6.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x395f…dcacbacked Team Liquid59c119.32$70 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$49.327100%7 W · 0 L+3.1wins+0.44per pick56cpaid+83.7%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0x4d44…49e6backed Team Liquid73c113.7$83 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$30.772154%389 W · 332 L-8.8wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-4.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1b0e…eca9backed Team Liquid73c105.97$77 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.614461.4%27 W · 17 L+1.8wins+0.04per pick57cpaid-3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd0ad…bce9backed Team Liquid60c100.17$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40.174663%29 W · 17 L+1.7wins+0.04per pick59cpaid+5.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x736d…c635backed Team Falcons42c100$42 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4297142.7%415 W · 556 L-20.4wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe866…1a70backed Team Liquid68c100$68 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3211057.3%63 W · 47 L+0.5wins0.00per pick57cpaid-0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5a28…41edbacked Team Liquid67c100$67 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3321350.7%108 W · 105 L+5.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+0.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Team Liquid71c97$69 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.486949%426 W · 443 L-3.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-15%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x04c0…3ab0backed Team Liquid62c89$55 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$33.82966.7%6 W · 3 L+0.6wins+0.06per pick60cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdff2…c7c9backed Team Liquid68c85.29$58 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27.293070%21 W · 9 L+2.3wins+0.08per pick62cpaid+11.4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xde4b…3b7dbacked Team Liquid73c78$57 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.0618952.9%100 W · 89 L+1.5wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-4.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9718…dd82backed Team Falcons27c74.07$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$208636%31 W · 55 L-7.7wins-0.09per pick45cpaid-24.6%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xb97e…262bbacked Team Liquid70c71.86$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.8652649.2%259 W · 267 L+21.1wins+0.04per pick45cpaid+1%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x3260…85ddbacked Team Liquid53c68.19$36 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32.056454.7%35 W · 29 L+7.9wins+0.12per pick42cpaid+16.9%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0xf837…2814backed Team Liquid66c64.29$42 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.798562.4%53 W · 32 L+4.4wins+0.05per pick57cpaid+8.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x5de7…5417backed Team Liquid57c60$34 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25.847951.8%248 W · 231 L+17.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+6.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf7b0…6960backed Team Liquid56c60$34 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$26.48055%44 W · 36 L+1.3wins+0.02per pick53cpaid-1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6dc5…d1a4backed Team Liquid69c57.97$40 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17.979045.6%41 W · 49 L+1.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3993…4bd5backed Team Falcons26c56.84$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14.854337.2%16 W · 27 L-2.5wins-0.06per pick43cpaid-22.2%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x4679…4bfebacked Team Liquid68c55.79$38 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17.854100%4 W · 0 L+1.8wins+0.45per pick55cpaid+93.5%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.