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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: 1win vs Vici Gaming - Game 1 Winner

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Vici Gamingof 1win, Vici Gaming
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$316,509
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$401,216

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $316,509 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 211 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x7e01…b0b5backed 1win0c57,711$244 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$243.8120642.7%88 W · 118 L-4.3wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-11.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4aec…4ce9backed Vici Gaming69c10,640$7,345 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,295.6130667.3%206 W · 100 L+18.3wins+0.06per pick61cpaid+4.8%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x60dd…40e5backed 1win50c10,393$5,176 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,175.9333453%177 W · 157 L+8.5wins+0.03per pick50cpaid-6.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xcd66…664fbacked 1win69c10,049$6,974 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,973.8613960.4%84 W · 55 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick61cpaid-3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2146…d41bbacked Vici Gaming22c10,000$2,189 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,810.9889741.5%372 W · 525 L+22.7wins+0.03per pick39cpaid-2.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x9166…b479backed 1win70c7,809$5,466 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,466.2912348%59 W · 64 L-4.6wins-0.04per pick52cpaid-4.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf201…527ebacked Vici Gaming20c6,601$1,338 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,262.8432549.8%162 W · 163 L+23.9wins+0.07per pick43cpaid+7.3%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xfa88…85a5backed Vici Gaming30c6,524$1,944 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,579.6669644.5%310 W · 386 L-3.1wins0.00per pick45cpaid-2.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5a56…10f5backed 1win67c6,348$4,238 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,238.4818950.8%96 W · 93 L+10.9wins+0.06per pick45cpaid+7.9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf3ce…a57abacked Vici Gaming30c6,050$1,820 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,230.11,20259.3%713 W · 489 L+64.6wins+0.05per pick54cpaid+10.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xe16d…5e30backed 1win68c5,925$4,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,0001,21057.1%691 W · 519 L+44.5wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+4.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x04f6…f24abacked 1win67c5,211$3,474 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,473.6150347.1%237 W · 266 L+14.9wins+0.03per pick44cpaid-2.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed Vici Gaming21c5,065$1,044 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,021.2371143%306 W · 405 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-14.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9eca…5a59backed 1win73c4,701$3,420 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,420.0940051.5%206 W · 194 L-6.9wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-4.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x19ae…395cbacked Vici Gaming30c4,440$1,314 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,125.7631936.7%117 W · 202 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick38cpaid-5.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3954…22d9backed 1win74c4,199$3,100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,1002152.4%11 W · 10 L-1.2wins-0.06per pick58cpaid-1.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x2391…554fbacked Vici Gaming25c3,163$800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,362.6512141.3%50 W · 71 L-4.4wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-9.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x55d9…832cbacked Vici Gaming30c3,000$900 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,10041944.2%185 W · 234 L-1.4wins0.00per pick44cpaid-3.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1943…1561backed 1win58c2,858$1,669 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,668.5845352.1%236 W · 217 L+13.8wins+0.03per pick49cpaid-8.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3a01…c89ebacked 1win66c2,817$1,856 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,855.6628251.8%146 W · 136 L+5.4wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-11.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xad69…7397backed Vici Gaming33c2,767$909 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,857.5451140.3%206 W · 305 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x40db…ca8cbacked 1win44c2,642$1,166 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,165.6654058.9%318 W · 222 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick56cpaid+0.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2931…7b81backed Vici Gaming79c2,542$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$541.8718660.8%113 W · 73 L+12.5wins+0.07per pick54cpaid-1%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x4214…db99backed Vici Gaming37c2,527$935 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,592.3136343.3%157 W · 206 L+2.6wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x839e…0d3cbacked Vici Gaming35c2,492$872 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,619.63246.9%15 W · 17 L+1.4wins+0.04per pick43cpaid+0.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xd3bc…5bd2backed Vici Gaming66c2,284$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$783.6613943.9%61 W · 78 L-11.8wins-0.08per pick52cpaid-17.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x0ee5…e798backed 1win28c2,278$645 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$645.2872035.1%253 W · 467 L-24.8wins-0.03per pick39cpaid-19.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x8725…eb10backed Vici Gaming25c2,203$552 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,650.9377941.1%320 W · 459 L-7.9wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-4.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x880d…39bcbacked Vici Gaming34c2,161$726 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,435.5532756.9%186 W · 141 L+8.9wins+0.03per pick54cpaid-0.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x82dc…5700backed Vici Gaming26c2,004$521 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,482.9568649.7%341 W · 345 L+9.6wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-10.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x80ba…2e78backed Vici Gaming30c1,794$538 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,255.7988539.7%351 W · 534 L+7.7wins+0.01per pick39cpaid+3.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa97f…a818backed Vici Gaming30c1,766$532 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,234.0158744%258 W · 329 L+13.3wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+5.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x52b7…0aa1backed Vici Gaming34c1,750$592 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,157.4881029.4%238 W · 572 L-23.5wins-0.03per pick32cpaid-10.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x6bea…5d50backed 1win51c1,741$895 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$895.1347748.6%232 W · 245 L+6.9wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x84ad…bfb7backed Vici Gaming29c1,706$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,205.9245750.8%232 W · 225 L+14.3wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-5.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf3ef…ca6bbacked Vici Gaming28c1,650$458 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,192.351,06657%608 W · 458 L+52.7wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+1.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x177e…c244backed Vici Gaming28c1,600$448 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,15229546.1%136 W · 159 L+4.0wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-0.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb3c7…bf04backed 1win72c1,592$1,147 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,146.5615051.3%77 W · 73 L-5.0wins-0.03per pick55cpaid-12.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x958c…a328backed Vici Gaming29c1,587$460 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,126.7728347%133 W · 150 L+10.9wins+0.04per pick43cpaid+9.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x5038…6236backed 1win32c1,580$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$500.0626540.8%108 W · 157 L-13.3wins-0.05per pick46cpaid-16.4%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x4a77…e59dbacked 1win34c1,577$539 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$538.6522031.8%70 W · 150 L-4.1wins-0.02per pick34cpaid-31.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5502…d440backed 1win72c1,500$1,080 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,079.9945457.5%261 W · 193 L+39.5wins+0.09per pick49cpaid+14%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Vici Gaming26c1,399$358 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,041.3689749.6%445 W · 452 L+22.4wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x3752…2f08backed 1win80c1,363$1,086 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,085.5934442.2%145 W · 199 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-5.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x758f…dfb7backed 1win79c1,335$1,055 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,055.234667.9%235 W · 111 L+9.0wins+0.03per pick65cpaid+1.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x3167…32a2backed 1win32c1,262$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40012151.2%62 W · 59 L+6.5wins+0.05per pick46cpaid+3.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x6eac…ed37backed Vici Gaming35c1,259$439 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$820.4357449%281 W · 293 L+33.5wins+0.06per pick43cpaid+12.1%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xc4fe…601fbacked 1win41c1,226$508 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$507.6689238.1%340 W · 552 L-42.7wins-0.05per pick43cpaid-33.5%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x7bcc…b4fabacked Vici Gaming38c1,214$465 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$748.7516959.2%100 W · 69 L+14.8wins+0.09per pick50cpaid+11.6%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0xba8c…e77dbacked Vici Gaming70c1,170$815 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$355.342580%20 W · 5 L+5.1wins+0.20per pick60cpaid+34.2%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0x1e89…af95backed 1win73c1,100$803 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$80314943.6%65 W · 84 L-5.8wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-9.8%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x2a8c…fd3dbacked Vici Gaming18c1,014$180 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$833.5748539.2%190 W · 295 L-8.4wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-10.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7951…bb41backed 1win69c1,008$700 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$699.9564744.4%287 W · 360 L+13.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x149a…49d0backed 1win77c1,000$770 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$77050769.2%351 W · 156 L+33.7wins+0.07per pick63cpaid+10.4%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x6e44…21bcbacked Vici Gaming56c951.33$533 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$418.5979859%471 W · 327 L+16.1wins+0.02per pick57cpaid-2.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2e13…b01bbacked 1win76c948$723 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$722.681421.4%3 W · 11 L-3.1wins-0.22per pick44cpaid-63.5%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xdf7c…4c16backed 1win54c934.72$504 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$503.5112136.4%44 W · 77 L-8.7wins-0.07per pick44cpaid-30.7%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xc49b…70c0backed 1win16c899.98$145 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$144.9963032.5%205 W · 425 L+1.4wins0.00per pick32cpaid-22.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd8b5…54c4backed Vici Gaming28c892.86$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$642.8629240.8%119 W · 173 L+0.7wins0.00per pick41cpaid-6.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x73f4…158ebacked 1win80c888.82$710 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$709.823561.7%145 W · 90 L+19.9wins+0.08per pick53cpaid+13%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x85b9…1c02backed Vici Gaming64c886.99$570 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$316.621060%6 W · 4 L-0.6wins-0.06per pick66cpaid-10.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xab12…764ebacked 1win71c850$604 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$603.527060%162 W · 108 L-11.3wins-0.04per pick64cpaid-7.3%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x26d6…56efbacked Vici Gaming29c850$248 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60256542.8%242 W · 323 L+5.1wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2929…1dd0backed 1win33c837.57$275 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$274.9716553.3%88 W · 77 L+7.5wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+0.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x37a8…8b4dbacked 1win59c823.71$486 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$485.9915957.9%92 W · 67 L+4.7wins+0.03per pick55cpaid+2.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0c67…d062backed Vici Gaming38c792.11$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$492.111,13742.3%481 W · 656 L-27.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xbb35…b62abacked 1win9c775.3$70 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$69.7839343.3%170 W · 223 L-6.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-11.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfe05…8b13backed Vici Gaming40c750$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4505939%23 W · 36 L-3.4wins-0.06per pick45cpaid-17.4%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Vici Gaming18c729.73$129 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$600.981,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd953…a9c0backed 1win71c723.41$515 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$514.788958.4%52 W · 37 L+1.9wins+0.02per pick56cpaid-1.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3fc7…62b9backed Vici Gaming33c700$231 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$46965441.9%274 W · 380 L-1.3wins0.00per pick42cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x59e2…1c55backed 1win37c699.98$257 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$256.9947548%228 W · 247 L-10.1wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-12%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe907…cff6backed 1win69c633.93$436 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$435.6793546.4%434 W · 501 L-15.7wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-15.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe76d…5a75backed Vici Gaming29c620$178 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$442.41,24844.4%554 W · 694 L+17.0wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+2.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf7d6…cab5backed 1win75c600$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$452.551364.9%333 W · 180 L+16.4wins+0.03per pick62cpaid+0.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0434…438fbacked 1win76c576.47$438 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$438.122185.7%18 W · 3 L+3.7wins+0.18per pick68cpaid+25.4%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x5b57…de6bbacked 1win62c500$310 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31019338.9%75 W · 118 L-4.7wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-15.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xaf6f…9f0abacked Vici Gaming27c499.99$135 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$364.9916139.8%64 W · 97 L-4.9wins-0.03per pick43cpaid-11.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc214…105dbacked Vici Gaming41c492.68$202 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$290.6848843.6%213 W · 275 L-11.8wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-12%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xf32d…bbbbbacked 1win53c486.32$257 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25761057.9%353 W · 257 L+2.8wins0.00per pick57cpaid+0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xbc4b…ecc5backed 1win36c485.67$175 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$174.641936.8%7 W · 12 L-2.1wins-0.11per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x5d5a…4289backed 1win68c462.68$314 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$314.3730357.1%173 W · 130 L+12.9wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+6.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xcf3a…fbfdbacked 1win62c448.25$279 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$278.9150850.8%258 W · 250 L+8.8wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-5.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed 1win57c410.74$235 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$235.452,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x3e3b…be27backed Vici Gaming28c400$112 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28821047.6%100 W · 110 L+10.4wins+0.05per pick43cpaid+0.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x4905…1683backed 1win43c400$172 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1724843.8%21 W · 27 L-2.9wins-0.06per pick50cpaid-25.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xa623…a4febacked Vici Gaming34c365.39$126 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$239.4850749.7%252 W · 255 L+15.3wins+0.03per pick47cpaid-0.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8031…67e0backed 1win61c350$214 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$213.573743.6%321 W · 416 L-10.8wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xc7d0…1f8abacked 1win23c325$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$75.9366545.6%303 W · 362 L+13.5wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-14.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe990…d17bbacked Vici Gaming32c314.84$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$214.8412662.7%79 W · 47 L+8.1wins+0.06per pick56cpaid+15.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x2802…347dbacked 1win21c308.27$65 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$64.7411444.7%51 W · 63 L+6.2wins+0.05per pick39cpaid+6.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x15d1…ccfebacked 1win77c302.86$232 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$231.8954659.7%326 W · 220 L+6.9wins+0.01per pick58cpaid-0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x28e0…2e6bbacked 1win73c300$219 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$21913258.3%77 W · 55 L+6.6wins+0.05per pick53cpaid+12.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xc444…416cbacked 1win68c294.12$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20017550.9%89 W · 86 L-3.1wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-4.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x53d7…0bd8backed 1win40c292.47$117 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$116.762951.7%15 W · 14 L+2.3wins+0.08per pick44cpaid+20.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x47e8…efdcbacked Vici Gaming50c291$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$145.519456.2%109 W · 85 L+13.1wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+5.4%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x31b9…150bbacked 1win47c289.98$137 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$136.5959254.1%320 W · 272 L+1.4wins0.00per pick54cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x08b8…e7dabacked 1win71c289.47$205 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$204.7731055.2%171 W · 139 L+12.0wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+8.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x93b6…5d73backed 1win43c288.76$124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$123.7113336.8%49 W · 84 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick39cpaid-13%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbf86…3e17backed 1win59c285.89$170 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1707957%45 W · 34 L+5.4wins+0.07per pick50cpaid+6.7%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.