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Dota 2: Team Falcons vs Team Liquid - Game 1 Winner

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Falconsof Team Falcons, Team Liquid
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$221,234
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$260,595

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $221,234 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 174 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x5d31…5285backed Team Liquid0c26,180$26 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26.1810%0 W · 1 L0.0wins0.00per pick0cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x500f…94bfbacked Team Liquid59c21,268$12,484 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,483.9413558.5%79 W · 56 L+4.3wins+0.03per pick55cpaid+4.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3833…33d1backed Team Falcons54c20,798$11,202 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9,596.6242650%213 W · 213 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf9b5…09eebacked Team Falcons52c16,188$8,428 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,759.7455157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd3cf…a5d4backed Team Falcons63c10,560$6,702 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,857.986663.6%42 W · 24 L-1.0wins-0.01per pick65cpaid-0.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4572…83ffbacked Team Liquid48c10,108$4,900 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,90053451.7%276 W · 258 L+2.3wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xac70…2d8dbacked Team Liquid47c9,120$4,283 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,282.79245.7%42 W · 50 L+3.4wins+0.04per pick42cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc49f…9e05backed Team Falcons55c7,000$3,841 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,159.3410445.2%47 W · 57 L+0.4wins0.00per pick45cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2586…f071backed Team Falcons74c6,354$4,695 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,659.4234468.9%237 W · 107 L+26.3wins+0.08per pick61cpaid+2.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Team Liquid44c5,693$2,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,500.491,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf6f9…bff5backed Team Liquid47c4,961$2,352 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,352.120949.3%103 W · 106 L+8.4wins+0.04per pick45cpaid-4.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xc75a…1ab2backed Team Liquid3c4,707$137 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$137.2940014.8%59 W · 341 L+11.2wins+0.03per pick12cpaid-1.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4ffe…9f71backed Team Liquid0c4,481$14 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13.996169.7%60 W · 556 L-2.0wins0.00per pick10cpaid-53.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2d39…6053backed Team Liquid46c4,075$1,861 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,861.441,03647.2%489 W · 547 L+15.3wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-9.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x3471…f17ebacked Team Liquid45c4,001$1,805 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,804.591,15547.8%552 W · 603 L+29.5wins+0.03per pick45cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x491d…f42bbacked Team Falcons44c3,805$1,677 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,128.3539660.1%238 W · 158 L+8.5wins+0.02per pick58cpaid+1.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x55af…0715backed Team Falcons60c3,652$2,197 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,454.823164.5%20 W · 11 L-0.8wins-0.03per pick67cpaid-2.5%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x689a…97a4backed Team Liquid48c3,127$1,495 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,494.991250%6 W · 6 L-0.7wins-0.05per pick55cpaid-7.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Team Liquid45c2,905$1,321 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,321.021,57743.9%692 W · 885 L-10.4wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-8.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1557…b77dbacked Team Liquid52c2,130$1,099 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,099425%1 W · 3 L-1.2wins-0.30per pick55cpaid-48.2%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x7462…3ac3backed Team Liquid48c2,119$1,009 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,009.2934051.5%175 W · 165 L+11.2wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+8.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb328…4df1backed Team Liquid48c2,100$1,008 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,007.991450%7 W · 7 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid-7.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf7c2…9b8dbacked Team Liquid45c2,095$943 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$942.8625549%125 W · 130 L+9.4wins+0.04per pick45cpaid+7.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc949…fa93backed Team Falcons43c2,000$860 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,139.998242.7%35 W · 47 L-8.2wins-0.10per pick53cpaid-22.6%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xcff4…3609backed Team Falcons55c1,864$1,032 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$831.651526.7%4 W · 11 L-2.1wins-0.14per pick41cpaid-43.8%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Team Falcons42c1,830$767 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,063.62,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8f25…7e84backed Team Liquid45c1,820$819 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81950%0 W · 5 L-2.1wins-0.41per pick41cpaid-100%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xbc67…5286backed Team Liquid57c1,756$1,007 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,006.5666662.2%414 W · 252 L+60.2wins+0.09per pick53cpaid+10.8%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x1fe6…5d3fbacked Team Liquid5c1,741$81 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$80.649430.9%29 W · 65 L-6.0wins-0.06per pick37cpaid-25.9%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Team Falcons55c1,500$825 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67539936.8%147 W · 252 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+6.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa50b…74b2backed Team Liquid38c1,366$520 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5201631.3%5 W · 11 L-1.9wins-0.12per pick43cpaid-46.7%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xec61…4a2ebacked Team Liquid40c1,254$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50010941.3%45 W · 64 L-3.8wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-15.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9942…5c84backed Team Falcons43c1,168$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$667.6426453%140 W · 124 L+0.2wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x78a2…d0a5backed Team Falcons59c1,145$676 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$469.518845.5%40 W · 48 L-6.7wins-0.08per pick53cpaid-10.1%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xa97f…a818backed Team Liquid45c1,140$512 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$511.5558744%258 W · 329 L+13.3wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+5.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x307d…9163backed Team Liquid25c1,133$281 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$280.575046%23 W · 27 L-7.7wins-0.15per pick61cpaid-30%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0xacf6…41fcbacked Team Liquid45c1,129$507 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$506.9160646.9%284 W · 322 L+10.5wins+0.02per pick45cpaid+4.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8a38…fee0backed Team Liquid45c1,007$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$453.2460349.9%301 W · 302 L-3.1wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-4.4%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xd161…4cc1backed Team Falcons40c1,000$399 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$600.9580443.9%353 W · 451 L-1.7wins0.00per pick44cpaid-11%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4fe9…706abacked Team Liquid52c959.35$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$499.5715852.5%83 W · 75 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-5.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3b63…4acdbacked Team Liquid45c839.33$378 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$377.716248.8%79 W · 83 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x00a1…5062backed Team Falcons56c825.88$462 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$363.3821346.5%99 W · 114 L-8.1wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-10.4%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x9adf…55e8backed Team Liquid45c810.99$365 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$364.9519147.6%91 W · 100 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa6b4…e861backed Team Falcons55c730.2$400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$330.671957.9%11 W · 8 L+0.3wins+0.02per pick56cpaid-11.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xaacf…5f84backed Team Liquid68c699$475 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$475.3259250.5%299 W · 293 L-20.7wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-10%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x65e0…e51dbacked Team Liquid18c667.61$118 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11819443.3%84 W · 110 L-9.2wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-15.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x373e…9c9ebacked Team Falcons62c621.64$388 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$233.64333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.4wins-0.12per pick45cpaid-46.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1f4f…46c2backed Team Liquid57c600$342 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34236054.4%196 W · 164 L+12.1wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf2ae…0864backed Team Liquid20c545.65$109 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$109.526661.7%164 W · 102 L+5.5wins+0.02per pick60cpaid-2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x563b…774bbacked Team Falcons55c542.21$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$242.214060%24 W · 16 L-0.7wins-0.02per pick62cpaid-6.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x74ef…1ac6backed Team Falcons54c533.33$288 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$245.3347660.7%289 W · 187 L-0.2wins0.00per pick61cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3a95…343bbacked Team Liquid45c499.99$225 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22569835.2%246 W · 452 L+15.7wins+0.02per pick33cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x30db…07c3backed Team Falcons55c495.36$272 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$222.9154445.8%249 W · 295 L-10.5wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xdca4…1c68backed Team Falcons39c481.81$190 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$291.8164149.9%320 W · 321 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7032…0a8bbacked Team Falcons55c436.36$240 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$196.3655251.6%285 W · 267 L+10.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3a27…c8bbbacked Team Liquid4c404.57$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15.4220%0 W · 2 L-0.6wins-0.30per pick30cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb787…ad0abacked Team Falcons51c392.27$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$192.2114446.5%67 W · 77 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-10.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1eca…576bbacked Team Liquid40c380$152 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$151.642254.5%12 W · 10 L+1.1wins+0.05per pick50cpaid-0.8%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xbe5a…13f5backed Team Falcons58c354.18$207 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$147.2445046.7%210 W · 240 L-11.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xf593…9383backed Team Falcons58c305.9$179 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$127.111553.3%8 W · 7 L+1.2wins+0.08per pick45cpaid+3.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4da1…e6dfbacked Team Liquid53c300$159 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1596735.8%24 W · 43 L-5.6wins-0.08per pick44cpaid-28.1%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xed10…15edbacked Team Falcons40c300$120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$18088166.7%588 W · 293 L+76.3wins+0.09per pick58cpaid+12.5%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x3375…ba50backed Team Falcons49c299.97$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$153.995154.9%28 W · 23 L-0.7wins-0.01per pick56cpaid-10.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xae4c…dcb9backed Team Liquid45c273.33$123 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12328549.1%140 W · 145 L+4.4wins+0.02per pick48cpaid-2.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x94f1…b9e7backed Team Liquid59c260.04$155 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$154.6745951.9%238 W · 221 L+8.7wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-1.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3ad6…a93cbacked Team Falcons55c255.87$141 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$115.142441.7%10 W · 14 L-1.7wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-21.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x8052…1124backed Team Falcons56c252.8$142 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$111.2317146.8%80 W · 91 L-3.3wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0df8…b67ebacked Team Falcons56c250$140 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11017047.1%80 W · 90 L-3.9wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-8.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3cff…40e6backed Team Liquid4c250$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1010%0 W · 1 L0.0wins-0.04per pick4cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd365…d5d7backed Team Liquid6c245.75$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1560%0 W · 6 L-0.6wins-0.09per pick9cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6fcd…42f2backed Team Liquid40c242.73$96 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$95.934531.1%14 W · 31 L-5.5wins-0.12per pick43cpaid-39.2%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x05d1…2bb3backed Team Falcons39c235.33$92 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$143.5517248.3%83 W · 89 L+3.5wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-3.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdb12…4210backed Team Liquid45c222.22$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1001952.6%10 W · 9 L+0.9wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+4.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfaa4…71c5backed Team Falcons44c219.99$97 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$123.296245.2%28 W · 34 L+2.8wins+0.05per pick41cpaid+10.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x3abf…b143backed Team Falcons53c206.06$109 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$97.0633645.5%153 W · 183 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x58f1…7032backed Team Falcons58c200$116 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8429550.2%148 W · 147 L+8.4wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xad69…7397backed Team Liquid45c200$90 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9051140.3%206 W · 305 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa750…0d0fbacked Team Falcons57c200$114 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8637754.9%207 W · 170 L+20.9wins+0.06per pick49cpaid+9.9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x3260…85ddbacked Team Falcons39c200$77 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1236454.7%35 W · 29 L+7.9wins+0.12per pick42cpaid+16.9%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x6c3c…0629backed Team Falcons55c193.1$105 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$87.692441.7%10 W · 14 L-1.8wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-20.6%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x8031…67e0backed Team Falcons55c190$105 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$85.573743.6%321 W · 416 L-10.8wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x438e…c499backed Team Liquid70c185.34$130 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$129.74120%0 W · 12 L-5.6wins-0.47per pick47cpaid-100%equal weight33-0.15 edge/pick
0x9d86…ea87backed Team Falcons55c180$99 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$815451.9%28 W · 26 L+1.2wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-4.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x469f…3d4fbacked Team Liquid55c176.59$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$96.8623546.8%110 W · 125 L+10.7wins+0.05per pick42cpaid0%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xf898…e720backed Team Liquid41c176.37$72 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$71.6214453.5%77 W · 67 L+4.9wins+0.03per pick50cpaid-3.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xdc5b…f102backed Team Falcons64c168.92$108 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60.9226958.7%158 W · 111 L-6.8wins-0.03per pick61cpaid-5.7%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3fb9…a8b3backed Team Falcons60c167.23$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.2359556.6%337 W · 258 L+12.5wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+2.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xce1f…7392backed Team Falcons49c165.09$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$84.7467853.5%363 W · 315 L+9.3wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-2.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8a61…02d2backed Team Falcons55c163.64$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.646956.5%39 W · 30 L+2.5wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+0.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb27f…2c41backed Team Falcons59c162.2$96 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$66.52445.8%11 W · 13 L-2.1wins-0.09per pick55cpaid-28.7%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x0f6c…ce0ebacked Team Falcons76c157.62$120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$37.62520%1 W · 4 L-1.7wins-0.35per pick55cpaid-73.7%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x7f39…28dabacked Team Liquid67c148.62$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1003636.1%13 W · 23 L-5.6wins-0.16per pick52cpaid-31.8%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Team Liquid42c143.16$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$60.31,52137.9%576 W · 945 L-57.8wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-26.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9f7b…0cc9backed Team Falcons56c142.86$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$62.867944.3%35 W · 44 L-8.8wins-0.11per pick55cpaid-20.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xdcfe…44b5backed Team Liquid43c138.1$59 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$59.4932854.9%180 W · 148 L+11.8wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+2.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2160…bcb3backed Team Liquid44c136.36$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6043647.5%207 W · 229 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3938…c6cbbacked Team Liquid55c130$72 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$71.62744.4%12 W · 15 L-3.0wins-0.11per pick56cpaid-27.2%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x6d96…d524backed Team Falcons51c128.77$66 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$62.7726957.6%155 W · 114 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xaaf2…29d6backed Team Falcons40c124.75$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.955236.5%19 W · 33 L-2.0wins-0.04per pick40cpaid-11%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x37f8…b5e5backed Team Liquid50c120.83$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$60.425137.3%19 W · 32 L-3.7wins-0.07per pick45cpaid-24.5%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 9 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.