World Politics · resolved market
Will PVV win 27–29 seats in the 2025 Netherlands parliamentary election?
https://tailmypicks.com/m/0xfa88f331c9db14586cb2201439c6aed2ee2bfeed506c2b2b4a43db79f059caff
Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Noof Yes, No
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- World Politicsevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $155,262
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $125,844
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $155,262 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 82 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in World Politics is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in World Politics | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x06dc…af59backed Yes | 20c | 14,052$2,863 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,862.91 | 93 | 45.2%42 W · 51 L | +9.9wins | +0.11per pick | 35cpaid | +22.4%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xd3a6…fd55backed Yes | 5c | 10,562$509 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$508.6 | 101 | 27.7%28 W · 73 L | +2.6wins | +0.03per pick | 25cpaid | +7.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xacc8…7d08backed Yes | 19c | 8,289$1,609 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,609.08 | 61 | 49.2%30 W · 31 L | +11.0wins | +0.18per pick | 31cpaid | +90%equal weight | 64+0.13 edge/pick |
| 0x1c59…ba33backed Yes | 0c | 6,109$24 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$24.44 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | 0.0wins | 0.00per pick | 0cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xab03…5c70backed Yes | 5c | 5,135$270 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$269.72 | 10 | 60%6 W · 4 L | +2.2wins | +0.22per pick | 38cpaid | +31.3%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xbefa…300dbacked Yes | 0c | 5,100$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.2 | 444 | 0.7%3 W · 441 L | -0.7wins | 0.00per pick | 1cpaid | -87.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd829…95f9backed Yes | 13c | 5,000$660 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$660 | 11 | 18.2%2 W · 9 L | -0.9wins | -0.09per pick | 27cpaid | -75.5%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xceab…cce0backed Yes | 1c | 4,764$24 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$23.82 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | 0.0wins | -0.01per pick | 1cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x98cc…5fd4backed Yes | 1c | 4,000$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$40 | 23 | 30.4%7 W · 16 L | -1.1wins | -0.05per pick | 35cpaid | -34.3%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x4365…4076backed Yes | 7c | 2,858$194 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$194.25 | 5 | 20%1 W · 4 L | -0.2wins | -0.05per pick | 25cpaid | -49.2%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x036e…9276backed No | 78c | 2,565$2,001 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$564.34 | 5 | 40%2 W · 3 L | -0.6wins | -0.11per pick | 51cpaid | -48.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x310b…b12abacked Yes | 6c | 1,792$106 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$106.07 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.7wins | -0.23per pick | 23cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xbb1f…7d0fbacked Yes | 24c | 1,637$400 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$400 | 10 | 40%4 W · 6 L | +0.8wins | +0.08per pick | 32cpaid | +64.6%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf138…7201backed Yes | 5c | 1,631$80 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$79.86 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | 0.0wins | -0.05per pick | 5cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xa154…321cbacked Yes | 21c | 1,415$300 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$300.21 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.6wins | -0.19per pick | 19cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0841…f577backed Yes | 8c | 1,387$113 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$112.74 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.1wins | -0.08per pick | 8cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xc4af…e2dbbacked Yes | 5c | 1,236$59 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$58.94 | 2 | 0%0 W · 2 L | -0.1wins | -0.05per pick | 5cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xf4ad…d00bbacked Yes | 10c | 1,225$119 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$119.24 | 56 | 14.3%8 W · 48 L | -1.4wins | -0.02per pick | 17cpaid | +9.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe645…345abacked Yes | 9c | 1,161$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 13 | 38.5%5 W · 8 L | +0.4wins | +0.03per pick | 35cpaid | -15.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1e9c…1115backed Yes | 23c | 865.31$201 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$200.88 | 55 | 20%11 W · 44 L | +2.9wins | +0.05per pick | 15cpaid | +86.9%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xcf95…7865backed Yes | 5c | 824.74$44 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.87 | 347 | 26.8%93 W · 254 L | -12.3wins | -0.04per pick | 30cpaid | -31.3%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1fc9…ace5backed Yes | 4c | 759.5$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$29.59 | 476 | 6.5%31 W · 445 L | -8.9wins | -0.02per pick | 8cpaid | -19.5%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xdd28…2aefbacked Yes | 21c | 749.04$158 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$157.64 | 15 | 13.3%2 W · 13 L | -1.3wins | -0.09per pick | 22cpaid | -31.6%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x4ffe…9f71backed Yes | 9c | 698.81$66 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$65.73 | 1,431 | 10.1%145 W · 1,286 L | -4.9wins | 0.00per pick | 10cpaid | -12.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x23cc…4f5abacked Yes | 22c | 622.91$140 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$139.74 | 160 | 29.4%47 W · 113 L | -2.8wins | -0.02per pick | 31cpaid | +6.1%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe4ca…1383backed Yes | 18c | 557.65$98 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$98.17 | 449 | 21.2%95 W · 354 L | -21.7wins | -0.05per pick | 26cpaid | -24.3%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xead6…5a43backed Yes | 9c | 522.43$46 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$46 | 4 | 25%1 W · 3 L | -0.6wins | -0.15per pick | 40cpaid | -55.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x629b…995abacked Yes | 19c | 507.53$96 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$96.17 | 432 | 43.1%186 W · 246 L | +29.2wins | +0.07per pick | 36cpaid | -7.8%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x35b9…1d44backed Yes | 21c | 499.72$105 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$104.77 | 50 | 44%22 W · 28 L | +5.6wins | +0.11per pick | 33cpaid | +223.2%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xf3ce…ebf3backed Yes | 22c | 445.18$98 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$97.94 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.22per pick | 22cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x65ec…8e4bbacked Yes | 23c | 439.07$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 6 | 33.3%2 W · 4 L | +1.5wins | +0.25per pick | 8cpaid | +364.4%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x01a4…0064backed Yes | 23c | 409.47$95 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$95 | 34 | 35.3%12 W · 22 L | +0.2wins | +0.01per pick | 35cpaid | +52.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x355f…0df8backed Yes | 29c | 344.98$99 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$98.95 | 29 | 13.8%4 W · 25 L | -5.6wins | -0.19per pick | 33cpaid | -8.8%equal weight | 39-0.10 edge/pick |
| 0x51fd…4272backed Yes | 22c | 300$66 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$66 | 190 | 27.9%53 W · 137 L | +14.5wins | +0.08per pick | 20cpaid | +53%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x4c4e…b978backed Yes | 22c | 290.46$64 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$63.73 | 14 | 7.1%1 W · 13 L | -0.9wins | -0.07per pick | 14cpaid | +10.7%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf0b0…8cabbacked Yes | 7c | 274.91$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19.65 | 1,022 | 28%286 W · 736 L | +1.6wins | 0.00per pick | 28cpaid | -34.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xbc17…289abacked Yes | 21c | 238.13$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 54 | 37%20 W · 34 L | +5.2wins | +0.10per pick | 27cpaid | +22.5%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xdbe2…b355backed Yes | 21c | 237.97$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -0.1wins | -0.04per pick | 37cpaid | -48.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xe136…6918backed Yes | 18c | 226$40 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$39.72 | 12 | 8.3%1 W · 11 L | -0.6wins | -0.05per pick | 13cpaid | -86.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2393…f110backed Yes | 19c | 226$42 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$42.09 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.4wins | -0.13per pick | 13cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3ab4…404abacked Yes | 19c | 220.89$42 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$42 | 7 | 42.9%3 W · 4 L | +1.1wins | +0.16per pick | 27cpaid | +1.5%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8888…5b57backed Yes | 6c | 220$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$13.36 | 2 | 0%0 W · 2 L | -0.1wins | -0.07per pick | 7cpaid | -100%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0x73dc…8d32backed No | 79c | 217.3$172 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$45.46 | 41 | 61%25 W · 16 L | +3.3wins | +0.08per pick | 53cpaid | +30.1%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x7a0a…96edbacked Yes | 25c | 216.1$53 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$53 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.5wins | -0.18per pick | 18cpaid | -100%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf6cc…1413backed Yes | 21c | 214.29$45 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$45 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.6wins | -0.21per pick | 21cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x421b…ac12backed No | 79c | 211.55$167 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$44.77 | 54 | 35.2%19 W · 35 L | +2.9wins | +0.05per pick | 30cpaid | +24%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xcfc2…0b59backed Yes | 22c | 200$43 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$43.5 | 66 | 34.8%23 W · 43 L | -0.7wins | -0.01per pick | 36cpaid | +15%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3c82…b56bbacked Yes | 6c | 171.48$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.1wins | -0.06per pick | 6cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x8b44…63fbbacked Yes | 6c | 164.78$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.42 | 371 | 17.8%66 W · 305 L | -18.9wins | -0.05per pick | 23cpaid | -32.9%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xbdd1…0c4fbacked Yes | 19c | 150.1$28 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$28.02 | 92 | 37%34 W · 58 L | +1.5wins | +0.02per pick | 35cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xddfd…0855backed Yes | 19c | 150$29 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$28.5 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | -0.1wins | -0.03per pick | 37cpaid | -40.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xb32b…f0c9backed Yes | 17c | 149.99$25 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$25.5 | 6 | 16.7%1 W · 5 L | -0.6wins | -0.10per pick | 27cpaid | -57.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x21ff…0d71backed Yes | 21c | 145.89$31 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30.52 | 884 | 48.5%429 W · 455 L | -2.4wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -6.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x9674…f56cbacked Yes | 18c | 127.01$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$22.66 | 4 | 0%0 W · 4 L | -0.9wins | -0.22per pick | 22cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1c4c…068ebacked Yes | 8c | 120$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.04 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.1wins | -0.08per pick | 8cpaid | -100%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x9cf6…559dbacked Yes | 22c | 120$27 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26.6 | 315 | 34%107 W · 208 L | +7.7wins | +0.02per pick | 32cpaid | -4.7%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa7e7…280dbacked Yes | 18c | 110.37$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 8 | 37.5%3 W · 5 L | +0.4wins | +0.05per pick | 33cpaid | -32%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5355…fae9backed Yes | 20c | 105$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.55 | 14 | 28.6%4 W · 10 L | -1.0wins | -0.07per pick | 36cpaid | -51.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x3ccb…3135backed Yes | 23c | 100$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$23 | 8 | 25%2 W · 6 L | 0.0wins | +0.01per pick | 24cpaid | -6.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x74af…8988backed Yes | 21c | 100$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21 | 10 | 40%4 W · 6 L | +2.2wins | +0.22per pick | 18cpaid | +406%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x1088…b813backed Yes | 21c | 100$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21 | 136 | 39%53 W · 83 L | +7.0wins | +0.05per pick | 34cpaid | +10.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x2c61…ac8bbacked Yes | 19c | 100$19 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19 | 34 | 26.5%9 W · 25 L | -3.2wins | -0.09per pick | 36cpaid | -25.9%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x042f…f951backed Yes | 20c | 100$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 6 | 16.7%1 W · 5 L | -1.0wins | -0.17per pick | 34cpaid | -75.4%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xd7de…ad2cbacked Yes | 26c | 100$26 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.26per pick | 26cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9dc1…5fbbbacked Yes | 21c | 95.24$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 5 | 20%1 W · 4 L | -0.2wins | -0.05per pick | 25cpaid | -49.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbac0…5e77backed Yes | 22c | 90.56$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.13 | 6 | 33.3%2 W · 4 L | +0.1wins | +0.02per pick | 31cpaid | -45.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6544…c0f8backed Yes | 22c | 79.2$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$17.42 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | +0.2wins | +0.12per pick | 38cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x79df…f6c1backed Yes | 19c | 78.95$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 6 | 16.7%1 W · 5 L | -0.1wins | -0.01per pick | 18cpaid | -73.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xc682…4d90backed Yes | 29c | 71.67$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.8 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -1.0wins | -0.32per pick | 32cpaid | -100%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x9fe0…b26cbacked Yes | 21c | 71.43$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 8 | 0%0 W · 8 L | -2.6wins | -0.32per pick | 32cpaid | -100%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x8f2e…caf6backed Yes | 22c | 71.11$16 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15.64 | 19 | 21.1%4 W · 15 L | -3.1wins | -0.17per pick | 38cpaid | -54.1%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x4e79…6c9bbacked Yes | 23c | 66.01$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 4 | 25%1 W · 3 L | -0.4wins | -0.10per pick | 35cpaid | -61.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x1c20…9e4fbacked Yes | 19c | 60$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.4 | 14 | 28.6%4 W · 10 L | +2.1wins | +0.15per pick | 14cpaid | +234.3%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xb4a0…2f88backed Yes | 36c | 60$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21.47 | 8 | 37.5%3 W · 5 L | -0.5wins | -0.06per pick | 44cpaid | +317.2%equal weight | 48-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xad11…a223backed No | 80c | 60$48 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$12 | 18 | 44.4%8 W · 10 L | -1.9wins | -0.11per pick | 55cpaid | -14.8%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x3499…ffe6backed Yes | 25c | 57.36$14 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.23 | 4 | 0%0 W · 4 L | -0.9wins | -0.23per pick | 23cpaid | -100%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x94b6…7b36backed Yes | 22c | 50$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -0.7wins | -0.22per pick | 22cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9bc7…2229backed Yes | 24c | 50$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12 | 10 | 30%3 W · 7 L | -1.3wins | -0.13per pick | 43cpaid | -56.7%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x8e63…61c2backed Yes | 24c | 50$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.2wins | -0.24per pick | 24cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9e26…fdefbacked Yes | 21c | 50$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.5 | 6 | 50%3 W · 3 L | +1.6wins | +0.27per pick | 23cpaid | +104.9%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x5a4a…02ebbacked Yes | 25c | 40$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10 | 3 | 33.3%1 W · 2 L | +0.5wins | +0.18per pick | 16cpaid | +108.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xe90a…06b7backed No | 79c | 15.74$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.37 | 13 | 46.2%6 W · 7 L | 0.0wins | 0.00per pick | 46cpaid | -5.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in World Politics and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Will PVV win 27–29 seats in the 2025 Netherlands parliamentary election?this page
- Will PVV win 26 or fewer seats in the 2025 Netherlands parliamentary election?Yes won
- Will PVV win 30–32 seats in the 2025 Netherlands parliamentary election?No won
- Will PVV win 33 or more seats in the 2025 Netherlands parliamentary election?No won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.