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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Spirit vs Natus Vincere - Game 2 Winner

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Spiritof Team Spirit, Natus Vincere
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$89,487
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$117,407

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $89,487 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 104 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xf9b5…09eebacked Natus Vincere49c13,470$6,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,600.355157%314 W · 237 L+17.4wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x87da…53d1backed Team Spirit51c8,067$4,106 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,961.1496557.4%554 W · 411 L+49.5wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+7.1%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x8c0b…7aa5backed Team Spirit51c5,555$2,833 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,721.9545139.2%177 W · 274 L+0.9wins0.00per pick39cpaid-7.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5b75…f8fabacked Team Spirit59c5,023$2,960 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,062.652646.2%12 W · 14 L-1.6wins-0.06per pick52cpaid-14.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xb555…0c4bbacked Natus Vincere34c4,920$1,665 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,665.310342.7%44 W · 59 L-0.9wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-21.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Natus Vincere45c4,341$1,960 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,960.461,57743.9%692 W · 885 L-10.4wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-8.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x66fb…9f72backed Natus Vincere51c3,999$2,024 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,023.954556.5%308 W · 237 L+10.4wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf6f9…bff5backed Natus Vincere50c2,260$1,123 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,122.6420949.3%103 W · 106 L+8.4wins+0.04per pick45cpaid-4.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed Team Spirit53c2,213$1,171 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,042.472,82843.6%1,234 W · 1,594 L-39.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-20.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked Team Spirit52c1,457$761 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$696.31,90147.6%905 W · 996 L+4.6wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Team Spirit43c1,382$594 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$787.561,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb04b…e2d4backed Team Spirit50c1,342$671 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67116142.9%69 W · 92 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+0.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8725…eb10backed Natus Vincere52c1,318$685 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$684.7177941.1%320 W · 459 L-7.9wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-4.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3a97…66f5backed Team Spirit54c1,089$593 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$496.389959.6%59 W · 40 L+6.7wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+12.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x503d…886abacked Natus Vincere17c1,033$180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$179.522931%9 W · 20 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick32cpaid-30.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc43f…c86dbacked Natus Vincere1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1010%0 W · 1 L0.0wins-0.01per pick1cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Natus Vincere44c984.9$429 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$429.032,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x0738…6392backed Team Spirit58c975$564 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$411.121264.2%136 W · 76 L+2.4wins+0.01per pick63cpaid+0.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd06c…cdafbacked Team Spirit50c903.09$448 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$455.111,18643.2%512 W · 674 L+42.2wins+0.04per pick40cpaid+1.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xfb67…fd46backed Natus Vincere13c815.09$109 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$109.279533.7%32 W · 63 L-2.4wins-0.03per pick36cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7951…bb41backed Natus Vincere50c750$376 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$376.0264744.4%287 W · 360 L+13.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Natus Vincere36c718.15$260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$259.531,52137.9%576 W · 945 L-57.8wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-26.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x4d84…21b1backed Natus Vincere38c651.01$247 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$246.7918143.6%79 W · 102 L-4.4wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-14.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xdcfe…44b5backed Natus Vincere39c645.83$252 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$251.8732854.9%180 W · 148 L+11.8wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+2.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xccf5…42f2backed Team Spirit44c565.08$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$315.157455.4%318 W · 256 L+6.5wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x58f1…7032backed Natus Vincere50c550.6$273 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$272.6129550.2%148 W · 147 L+8.4wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x249f…fed3backed Natus Vincere44c533.51$234 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$233.9562650.5%316 W · 310 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa27c…ab67backed Team Spirit47c500$234 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$26679959.4%475 W · 324 L+4.1wins+0.01per pick59cpaid-2.1%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x1f4f…46c2backed Team Spirit51c500$255 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$24536054.4%196 W · 164 L+12.1wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbe5a…13f5backed Natus Vincere50c486$243 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$24345046.7%210 W · 240 L-11.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-7.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x5a28…41edbacked Natus Vincere50c444.8$221 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$220.821350.7%108 W · 105 L+5.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+0.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xf679…16acbacked Team Spirit61c432.89$266 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$167.3422954.1%124 W · 105 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xaacf…5f84backed Team Spirit47c410$194 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$215.5259250.5%299 W · 293 L-20.7wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-10%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x3a95…343bbacked Natus Vincere50c400$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20069835.2%246 W · 452 L+15.7wins+0.02per pick33cpaid+4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdca4…1c68backed Team Spirit51c395.29$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.2964149.9%320 W · 321 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xcb5b…f243backed Team Spirit56c391.11$219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$171.851,27245%572 W · 700 L-40.5wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-17.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xce09…a251backed Team Spirit52c370.09$192 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$177.64540%2 W · 3 L-0.3wins-0.06per pick46cpaid+5.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa474…32cbbacked Team Spirit54c368.72$199 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$169.7253844.4%239 W · 299 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0cd9…2a08backed Team Spirit53c368.44$194 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$174.0652243.9%229 W · 293 L+11.3wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+5.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe2a5…391cbacked Natus Vincere45c367.95$166 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$165.582259.1%13 W · 9 L+2.4wins+0.11per pick48cpaid+35.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x0c67…d062backed Natus Vincere56c358.07$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2001,13742.3%481 W · 656 L-27.5wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-9.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7f52…c525backed Natus Vincere43c348.84$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1509053.3%48 W · 42 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-2.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfbc2…514cbacked Team Spirit59c338.98$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$138.9833845.6%154 W · 184 L+6.4wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-5.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1f04…5fc4backed Team Spirit50c334$167 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$16731545.4%143 W · 172 L-19.2wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xad69…7397backed Natus Vincere51c300$152 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$151.5151140.3%206 W · 305 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x42b7…77dcbacked Team Spirit47c287.04$135 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$152.1399844.4%443 W · 555 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-0.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6d96…d524backed Natus Vincere37c270.27$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10026957.6%155 W · 114 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick56cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x376f…5a0ebacked Team Spirit61c245.9$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$95.93158.1%18 W · 13 L+1.8wins+0.06per pick52cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xf459…7a53backed Team Spirit49c229.96$113 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$117.2810260.8%62 W · 40 L+5.7wins+0.06per pick55cpaid+9.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x22f5…795bbacked Team Spirit46c205.53$95 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$110.536160.7%37 W · 24 L+4.2wins+0.07per pick54cpaid+12.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x6e41…b8d2backed Team Spirit49c204.08$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$104.082161.9%13 W · 8 L+1.3wins+0.06per pick56cpaid+22.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2160…bcb3backed Team Spirit53c188.68$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$88.6843647.5%207 W · 229 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3297…43cdbacked Natus Vincere48c187.2$90 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$89.86333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.5wins-0.16per pick49cpaid-29.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xefff…2d98backed Natus Vincere53c184.86$98 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9816445.7%75 W · 89 L-3.6wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-6.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3abf…b143backed Team Spirit54c183.65$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$84.0533645.5%153 W · 183 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfeb1…8ec8backed Natus Vincere48c182.89$88 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$87.7910%0 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x17ca…87d1backed Team Spirit57c175.84$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$75.8419552.8%103 W · 92 L-15.2wins-0.08per pick61cpaid-15%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xbc67…5286backed Team Spirit67c153.32$103 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50.666662.2%414 W · 252 L+60.2wins+0.09per pick53cpaid+10.8%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x8dc0…5f47backed Team Spirit53c139.99$74 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.63943.6%17 W · 22 L+3.3wins+0.09per pick35cpaid-5.3%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf3be…f543backed Team Spirit54c138.89$75 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$63.8925457.9%147 W · 107 L+4.7wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+6.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xeea6…135fbacked Team Spirit53c136.04$73 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$63.56142.6%26 W · 35 L+0.6wins+0.01per pick42cpaid-9.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x40ba…7ea5backed Natus Vincere50c134$67 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6753757.7%310 W · 227 L+11.8wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x077c…98abbacked Team Spirit45c133.33$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.3315546.5%72 W · 83 L-2.7wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-8.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xc4b2…4ab2backed Team Spirit42c119.99$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$69.628244%124 W · 158 L-5.1wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x540d…c8f9backed Team Spirit56c117.69$66 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$51.2738855.2%214 W · 174 L+29.8wins+0.08per pick47cpaid+7.4%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x899e…0863backed Team Spirit45c110.48$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60.4826454.5%144 W · 120 L+2.8wins+0.01per pick53cpaid-1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x672d…dbd7backed Team Spirit46c108.7$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$58.740047.5%190 W · 210 L+6.3wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-5.6%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xce16…d66fbacked Team Spirit51c107.2$55 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$52.531330.8%4 W · 9 L-1.0wins-0.08per pick39cpaid-31.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9718…dd82backed Natus Vincere49c102.04$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$508636%31 W · 55 L-7.7wins-0.09per pick45cpaid-24.6%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xe64b…3499backed Team Spirit61c100$61 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$395052%26 W · 24 L+0.6wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-10.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1532…1dadbacked Team Spirit47c100$47 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5322654.4%123 W · 103 L+0.1wins0.00per pick54cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x88b5…539abacked Team Spirit55c98.38$54 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$44.382751.9%14 W · 13 L-1.2wins-0.05per pick56cpaid+0.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x69ba…c976backed Natus Vincere51c98.04$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$502951.7%15 W · 14 L+1.2wins+0.04per pick48cpaid-4.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9120…ae70backed Team Spirit54c92.59$50 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$42.5921062.4%131 W · 79 L+0.8wins0.00per pick62cpaid-0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf03d…21fbbacked Team Spirit45c92.22$41 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50.721338.5%5 W · 8 L-1.0wins-0.08per pick46cpaid-9.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x0622…cbc0backed Natus Vincere47c82.14$39 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$38.61560%3 W · 2 L+0.3wins+0.06per pick54cpaid+5.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x81b9…2ea7backed Natus Vincere46c65.33$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30.05742.9%3 W · 4 L-1.0wins-0.15per pick58cpaid-42.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x3160…21d9backed Natus Vincere49c61.22$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$301947.4%9 W · 10 L-1.9wins-0.10per pick57cpaid-27.8%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x4b84…48e3backed Natus Vincere47c59.57$28 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$283050%15 W · 15 L+0.8wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+22.7%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x387e…ca5dbacked Team Spirit73c58.86$43 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15.6111857.6%68 W · 50 L+0.2wins0.00per pick57cpaid-3.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xab05…52e9backed Team Spirit60c58.33$35 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$23.3317448.9%85 W · 89 L-2.9wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x73a2…3b68backed Natus Vincere48c58$28 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$28.0325648%123 W · 133 L-3.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-12.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa07d…a037backed Natus Vincere34c54.72$19 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18.681,03416.3%169 W · 865 L-158.1wins-0.15per pick32cpaid-51%equal weight33-0.15 edge/pick
0xac93…0cfcbacked Team Spirit50c50$25 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2558152.5%305 W · 276 L-10.5wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-6.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x48f7…3aebbacked Team Spirit59c50$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20.566848.5%324 W · 344 L-11.5wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-7.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xce1f…7392backed Team Spirit47c50$24 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$26.567853.5%363 W · 315 L+9.3wins+0.01per pick52cpaid-2.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf883…b8b4backed Team Spirit60c44.62$27 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17.8518764.7%121 W · 66 L+17.3wins+0.09per pick55cpaid+15%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xb759…ed73backed Natus Vincere58c43.1$25 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2510049%49 W · 51 L-5.1wins-0.05per pick54cpaid-5.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x1547…09a8backed Team Spirit49c42.86$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.861060%6 W · 4 L+1.4wins+0.14per pick46cpaid+6.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x4e3a…4d28backed Team Spirit53c42.82$23 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20.13450%2 W · 2 L-0.2wins-0.04per pick54cpaid-8.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2cad…eb66backed Team Spirit70c42$29 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12.69750.5%49 W · 48 L+0.5wins0.00per pick50cpaid-9.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe34e…c0f4backed Natus Vincere60c40$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$23.886547.7%31 W · 34 L-1.0wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-9.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4946…e041backed Team Spirit45c40$18 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2255561.8%343 W · 212 L+4.6wins+0.01per pick61cpaid+1.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd760…8e82backed Team Spirit53c39.32$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$18.484100%4 W · 0 L+2.2wins+0.54per pick46cpaid+119.1%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x3873…dec8backed Team Spirit44c38.64$17 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21.6413946%64 W · 75 L+0.3wins0.00per pick46cpaid-15.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9332…a3dbbacked Team Spirit54c37.04$20 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17.0476048.6%369 W · 391 L+26.2wins+0.03per pick45cpaid+0.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc4c0…23d8backed Team Spirit59c35$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$14.523957.3%137 W · 102 L+8.1wins+0.03per pick54cpaid+1.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0f3a…7dcbbacked Natus Vincere46c32.45$15 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1520952.6%110 W · 99 L-7.3wins-0.04per pick56cpaid-10.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x252f…2561backed Natus Vincere56c30$17 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$16.831659.8%189 W · 127 L+18.0wins+0.06per pick54cpaid+11.7%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x4287…3d5ebacked Team Spirit50c22.6$11 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11.38342.2%35 W · 48 L-3.6wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-12.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 2 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.