Lol · resolved market
Game Handicap: JDG (-1.5) vs ThunderTalk Gaming (+1.5)
https://tailmypicks.com/m/0x724f322b2c945f24996a42cfe1cc1f983c3efd77dcb7ea33a184e5d59cd741fa
Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- JD Gamingof JD Gaming, ThunderTalk Gaming
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- Lolevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $74,749
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $94,271
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $74,749 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 75 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Lol is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in Lol | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x462d…ce9bbacked JD Gaming | 42c | 11,794$5,000 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6,794.04 | 84 | 53.6%45 W · 39 L | +3.1wins | +0.04per pick | 50cpaid | +7%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xd408…e85cbacked JD Gaming | 44c | 11,326$4,952 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6,373.9 | 384 | 62%238 W · 146 L | -0.4wins | 0.00per pick | 62cpaid | -1.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6b97…8d30backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 58c | 11,255$6,478 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$6,478 | 595 | 54.1%322 W · 273 L | +14.5wins | +0.02per pick | 52cpaid | +6.1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x751b…73fdbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 56c | 8,227$4,607 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$4,606.98 | 325 | 55.7%181 W · 144 L | +8.0wins | +0.02per pick | 53cpaid | +1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa742…68c5backed JD Gaming | 73c | 6,417$4,684 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,732.51 | 28 | 53.6%15 W · 13 L | -3.0wins | -0.11per pick | 64cpaid | -19.2%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x67b6…00bcbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 6,000$1,620 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,620 | 499 | 40.7%203 W · 296 L | +18.1wins | +0.04per pick | 37cpaid | +13.1%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x642c…21a7backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 56c | 5,388$3,024 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$3,024.39 | 350 | 54.6%191 W · 159 L | +12.3wins | +0.04per pick | 51cpaid | +4.7%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x21b7…c861backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 3,499$945 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$944.75 | 322 | 34.5%111 W · 211 L | +8.7wins | +0.03per pick | 32cpaid | +4.4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5f30…3aeebacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 59c | 3,403$2,006 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$2,005.9 | 148 | 48.6%72 W · 76 L | -13.8wins | -0.09per pick | 58cpaid | -18.3%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x6401…f240backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 21c | 3,104$652 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$652.04 | 379 | 48.3%183 W · 196 L | +12.2wins | +0.03per pick | 45cpaid | +16.5%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x1316…48a4backed JD Gaming | 73c | 2,000$1,460 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$540 | 474 | 55.3%262 W · 212 L | -10.6wins | -0.02per pick | 58cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x73da…b7acbacked JD Gaming | 73c | 2,000$1,460 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$540 | 324 | 57.7%187 W · 137 L | +3.7wins | +0.01per pick | 57cpaid | -0.9%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9def…6eacbacked JD Gaming | 43c | 1,860$800 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,060.47 | 33 | 36.4%12 W · 21 L | -4.2wins | -0.13per pick | 49cpaid | -32%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xe015…6ffdbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 26c | 1,806$469 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$469.46 | 960 | 48.8%468 W · 492 L | +13.1wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | +3.9%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe907…cff6backed JD Gaming | 41c | 1,642$680 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$962.04 | 2,508 | 39.8%999 W · 1,509 L | -76.4wins | -0.03per pick | 43cpaid | -18.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x791e…9bdabacked JD Gaming | 40c | 1,500$600 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$900 | 321 | 45.5%146 W · 175 L | +11.6wins | +0.04per pick | 42cpaid | +13.8%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x48b8…4b69backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 58c | 1,500$870 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$869.99 | 106 | 48.1%51 W · 55 L | -2.1wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -6.4%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x65c9…cf56backed JD Gaming | 74c | 1,498$1,108 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$389.46 | 29 | 69%20 W · 9 L | +0.9wins | +0.03per pick | 66cpaid | +0.5%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x507e…beaebacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 1,408$380 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$380.11 | 2,406 | 42.6%1,026 W · 1,380 L | +21.5wins | +0.01per pick | 42cpaid | -5.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x4379…2e16backed JD Gaming | 73c | 1,210$883 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$326.7 | 150 | 46%69 W · 81 L | +0.2wins | 0.00per pick | 46cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x1350…f908backed JD Gaming | 73c | 1,000$730 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$270 | 68 | 60.3%41 W · 27 L | +1.3wins | +0.02per pick | 58cpaid | +2.7%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa19d…3909backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 59c | 1,000$590 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$590 | 1,521 | 50.6%769 W · 752 L | +3.8wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | +1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x09ce…af35backed JD Gaming | 41c | 857.55$348 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$510.04 | 327 | 55.7%182 W · 145 L | +17.8wins | +0.05per pick | 50cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x4411…985ebacked JD Gaming | 57c | 788.41$451 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$337.12 | 133 | 53.4%71 W · 62 L | -3.8wins | -0.03per pick | 56cpaid | -4.8%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x24f5…98d2backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 624$167 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$167.1 | 101 | 50.5%51 W · 50 L | +4.5wins | +0.04per pick | 46cpaid | -8.4%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xa2e4…bf9dbacked JD Gaming | 72c | 530.46$382 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$148.53 | 675 | 52.4%354 W · 321 L | +10.9wins | +0.02per pick | 51cpaid | +6.7%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x39fd…5a3fbacked JD Gaming | 73c | 459.26$335 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$124 | 263 | 60.1%158 W · 105 L | +1.1wins | 0.00per pick | 60cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x0a7e…b805backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 60c | 420$252 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$252 | 118 | 40.7%48 W · 70 L | -11.3wins | -0.10per pick | 50cpaid | -19.2%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x2ba8…d72bbacked JD Gaming | 48c | 400$192 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$208 | 176 | 59.7%105 W · 71 L | +10.8wins | +0.06per pick | 53cpaid | +6%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x58e3…c540backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 42c | 392$164 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$164.1 | 151 | 46.4%70 W · 81 L | +8.0wins | +0.05per pick | 41cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xce51…1ddbbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 28c | 360.71$101 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$101 | 126 | 57.9%73 W · 53 L | +10.1wins | +0.08per pick | 50cpaid | +15.7%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xa7f4…88e6backed JD Gaming | 54c | 341.77$186 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$155.54 | 94 | 20.2%19 W · 75 L | -4.3wins | -0.05per pick | 25cpaid | -26.5%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xb891…969bbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 272$73 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$73.44 | 1,447 | 13.3%192 W · 1,255 L | -109.5wins | -0.08per pick | 21cpaid | -35.5%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x0f9b…bc2fbacked JD Gaming | 42c | 238.6$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$138.69 | 520 | 62.3%324 W · 196 L | +4.6wins | +0.01per pick | 61cpaid | +2.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x27c7…ba3ebacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 77c | 200$154 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$153.9 | 330 | 69.7%230 W · 100 L | +28.7wins | +0.09per pick | 61cpaid | +10.7%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x119d…bec3backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 185.19$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50 | 89 | 40.4%36 W · 53 L | +1.2wins | +0.01per pick | 39cpaid | -2.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbe59…0d2ebacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 180$49 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$48.6 | 605 | 38.8%235 W · 370 L | -1.5wins | 0.00per pick | 39cpaid | -6.7%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xa9b1…242fbacked JD Gaming | 74c | 179.38$132 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$47.38 | 302 | 55.6%168 W · 134 L | +1.7wins | +0.01per pick | 55cpaid | -3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd8a2…86debacked JD Gaming | 44c | 155.73$69 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$87.21 | 96 | 55.2%53 W · 43 L | +0.7wins | +0.01per pick | 55cpaid | +3.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xbbdc…9da2backed JD Gaming | 73c | 155.17$113 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$41.9 | 107 | 56.1%60 W · 47 L | +2.5wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -5%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8a3b…5fa5backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 52c | 145.21$75 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$75 | 650 | 63.2%411 W · 239 L | +7.1wins | +0.01per pick | 62cpaid | +2.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8857…4b5bbacked JD Gaming | 74c | 132$98 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$34.32 | 13 | 46.2%6 W · 7 L | -2.0wins | -0.15per pick | 62cpaid | -31.8%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x72be…c534backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 27c | 128.8$35 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$34.77 | 1,114 | 35%390 W · 724 L | +14.3wins | +0.01per pick | 34cpaid | +2.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6e2d…8a1dbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 23c | 117$26 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$26.42 | 30 | 50%15 W · 15 L | +2.6wins | +0.09per pick | 41cpaid | +122%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xdcb9…f39abacked JD Gaming | 64c | 108.82$70 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$38.82 | 191 | 59.2%113 W · 78 L | +7.1wins | +0.04per pick | 55cpaid | +0.8%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x596a…7a0fbacked JD Gaming | 55c | 106$58 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$47.86 | 1,241 | 34.7%431 W · 810 L | -2.0wins | 0.00per pick | 35cpaid | -5.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x7462…3ac3backed JD Gaming | 45c | 105.72$48 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$58.08 | 1,007 | 47.9%482 W · 525 L | +11.6wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | +0.9%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x321d…d0acbacked JD Gaming | 55c | 100$55 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$45 | 124 | 62.9%78 W · 46 L | +5.3wins | +0.04per pick | 59cpaid | +3.6%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x045d…185dbacked JD Gaming | 77c | 90.59$70 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20.59 | 634 | 58.4%370 W · 264 L | +9.4wins | +0.01per pick | 57cpaid | +1.9%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x6e8d…3a3dbacked JD Gaming | 40c | 87.5$35 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$52.5 | 493 | 46.5%229 W · 264 L | -6.7wins | -0.01per pick | 48cpaid | -4.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x29a5…a3c4backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 55c | 85.21$47 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$46.92 | 751 | 50.7%381 W · 370 L | +3.8wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | -3.9%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5c65…fa22backed JD Gaming | 60c | 80.09$48 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$32.04 | 38 | 44.7%17 W · 21 L | +1.0wins | +0.03per pick | 42cpaid | -9.6%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xdb46…56e7backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 28c | 74.84$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20.65 | 101 | 38.6%39 W · 62 L | -5.0wins | -0.05per pick | 44cpaid | -25.3%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe074…fe8abacked JD Gaming | 40c | 73.87$29 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$44.43 | 1 | 100%1 W · 0 L | +0.6wins | +0.60per pick | 40cpaid | +150.9%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x1cdd…e595backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 54c | 70$38 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$38.04 | 1,606 | 17.5%281 W · 1,325 L | -245.0wins | -0.15per pick | 33cpaid | -63.5%equal weight | 33-0.15 edge/pick |
| 0x8637…0c86backed JD Gaming | 74c | 67.57$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.57 | 117 | 62.4%73 W · 44 L | +12.7wins | +0.11per pick | 52cpaid | +16.1%equal weight | 60+0.09 edge/pick |
| 0x4374…3d05backed JD Gaming | 53c | 63.83$34 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$29.83 | 237 | 48.5%115 W · 122 L | -15.9wins | -0.07per pick | 55cpaid | -15.7%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xca7c…e994backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 21c | 61.37$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.89 | 1,385 | 45.1%625 W · 760 L | -12.5wins | -0.01per pick | 46cpaid | -0.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0599…3c6abacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 51c | 60$31 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30.6 | 821 | 61%501 W · 320 L | +1.1wins | 0.00per pick | 61cpaid | +0.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xedf7…4003backed JD Gaming | 73c | 60$44 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$16.2 | 746 | 37.9%283 W · 463 L | +6.9wins | +0.01per pick | 37cpaid | -1.5%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x98d0…01a4backed JD Gaming | 42c | 57.79$24 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$33.79 | 85 | 54.1%46 W · 39 L | -2.2wins | -0.03per pick | 57cpaid | -5.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6e31…0e6ebacked JD Gaming | 74c | 54.05$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.05 | 238 | 80.3%191 W · 47 L | +16.2wins | +0.07per pick | 73cpaid | +9%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x4676…b720backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 60c | 52.29$31 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$31.41 | 261 | 54.8%143 W · 118 L | +8.4wins | +0.03per pick | 52cpaid | -3.4%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x62d6…54e8backed JD Gaming | 49c | 50$25 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$25.5 | 14 | 42.9%6 W · 8 L | +0.4wins | +0.03per pick | 40cpaid | -23.2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x68d2…74f2backed JD Gaming | 73c | 42.21$31 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.4 | 25 | 20%5 W · 20 L | -3.8wins | -0.15per pick | 35cpaid | -55.5%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0x82b0…7c38backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 51c | 38.41$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19.59 | 238 | 49.2%117 W · 121 L | +2.6wins | +0.01per pick | 48cpaid | +4.6%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd533…d6a1backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 28c | 36$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.08 | 458 | 41.5%190 W · 268 L | -3.9wins | -0.01per pick | 42cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3dbf…a9ffbacked ThunderTalk Gaming | 42c | 35.71$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 37 | 59.5%22 W · 15 L | +3.9wins | +0.10per pick | 49cpaid | +33.4%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x259b…a2d3backed JD Gaming | 40c | 35$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21 | 9 | 77.8%7 W · 2 L | +2.4wins | +0.27per pick | 51cpaid | +46.7%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x2ed1…1b89backed JD Gaming | 49c | 28.38$14 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.39 | 31 | 58.1%18 W · 13 L | +4.0wins | +0.13per pick | 45cpaid | +28%equal weight | 58+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x5a46…fdf3backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 76c | 26.25$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$19.95 | 53 | 67.9%36 W · 17 L | +6.4wins | +0.12per pick | 56cpaid | +21%equal weight | 59+0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xeff4…2aa4backed JD Gaming | 77c | 25.85$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.85 | 332 | 63.6%211 W · 121 L | +4.0wins | +0.01per pick | 62cpaid | -0.6%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa0f5…57e2backed JD Gaming | 48c | 25$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$13 | 251 | 54.2%136 W · 115 L | -13.5wins | -0.05per pick | 60cpaid | -11.2%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x5210…bd53backed JD Gaming | 72c | 22.51$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.28 | 1,310 | 49.2%644 W · 666 L | -23.8wins | -0.02per pick | 51cpaid | -2.6%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x80d8…b703backed ThunderTalk Gaming | 52c | 20.19$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.48 | 1,599 | 46.8%748 W · 851 L | -48.1wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -9.4%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Lol and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 9 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Game Handicap: JDG (-1.5) vs ThunderTalk Gaming (+1.5)this page
- Game Handicap: JDG (-2.5) vs ThunderTalk Gaming (+2.5)ThunderTalk Gaming won
- Games Total: O/U 3.5Over won
- Games Total: O/U 4.5Under won
- LoL: JD Gaming vs ThunderTalk Gaming (BO5) - LPL PlayoffsJD Gaming won
- LoL: JD Gaming vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 1 WinnerThunderTalk Gaming won
- LoL: JD Gaming vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 2 WinnerJD Gaming won
- LoL: JD Gaming vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 3 WinnerJD Gaming won
- LoL: JD Gaming vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 4 WinnerJD Gaming won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.