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NHL · resolved market

Panthers vs. Hurricanes

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Panthersof Panthers, Hurricanes
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NHLevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$489,812
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$506,260

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $489,812 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 296 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NHL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NHL
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x6a72…33eebacked Panthers45c159,596$72,093 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$87,502.961,34554.8%737 W · 608 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick53cpaid-1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4924…3782backed Hurricanes56c79,966$44,781 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$44,781.0820354.2%110 W · 93 L+7.2wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+5.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc3c3…eec8backed Hurricanes53c75,000$39,400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39,399.9942552.2%222 W · 203 L+25.0wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+9%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Hurricanes55c50,139$27,573 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27,572.722,66451.6%1,375 W · 1,289 L+58.0wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe90b…5da2backed Panthers44c32,955$14,544 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$18,410.6238748.3%187 W · 200 L+1.6wins0.00per pick48cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3e04…564dbacked Panthers42c31,185$12,996 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$18,188.841,89152.4%991 W · 900 L+36.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x68dd…f0b2backed Hurricanes55c20,000$11,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,999.8725449.2%125 W · 129 L+2.8wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+3.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5b8e…5c3cbacked Panthers60c10,671$6,412 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,258.5714451.4%74 W · 70 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+9.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6b90…2194backed Panthers44c10,200$4,488 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,71215749.7%78 W · 79 L+2.7wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xc8b4…f05dbacked Hurricanes56c10,076$5,642 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,642.4519555.4%108 W · 87 L+9.2wins+0.05per pick51cpaid+8.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xead0…f3babacked Hurricanes55c10,000$5,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,50032946.8%154 W · 175 L-2.5wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-1.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x54b5…4b31backed Hurricanes55c10,000$5,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,5009352.7%49 W · 44 L+4.0wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+9.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x52b4…34a8backed Panthers42c9,604$4,034 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,570.3222150.2%111 W · 110 L+8.4wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+11.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xa6ee…697bbacked Panthers45c8,888$4,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,888.43759.5%22 W · 15 L+3.2wins+0.09per pick51cpaid+21.1%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x187b…26bfbacked Panthers45c8,500$3,825 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,67510145.5%46 W · 55 L-2.8wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-5.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9731…9b35backed Panthers45c8,013$3,602 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,411.3993953.6%503 W · 436 L+29.6wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9fad…5a9fbacked Panthers45c8,000$3,600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,40089547%421 W · 474 L-18.0wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1bd2…60c2backed Hurricanes55c7,840$4,312 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,312250%1 W · 1 L-0.1wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3b5c…126ebacked Panthers44c7,777$3,422 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,355.1224349.8%121 W · 122 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9f13…e0fdbacked Hurricanes57c5,966$3,401 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,400.5347951.4%246 W · 233 L-5.6wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-2.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3fe2…ff91backed Panthers44c5,382$2,368 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,013.82100%2 W · 0 L+1.0wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+106.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x7298…fe8dbacked Hurricanes57c5,265$3,001 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,00133243.7%145 W · 187 L-16.1wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-9.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xf176…74d0backed Hurricanes58c5,118$2,965 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,964.5810%0 W · 1 L-0.6wins-0.58per pick58cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x42b5…b5b6backed Hurricanes58c5,073$2,938 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,938.481,37749.1%676 W · 701 L+39.2wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+5.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8bd8…f306backed Hurricanes56c5,000$2,800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,80031654.7%173 W · 143 L+14.7wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+9.6%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x201c…58bfbacked Panthers44c5,000$2,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,799.996640.9%27 W · 39 L-7.5wins-0.11per pick52cpaid-21%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x7bd8…aeabbacked Hurricanes58c4,963$2,867 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,867.3126955.8%150 W · 119 L+7.0wins+0.03per pick53cpaid+6.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xb6d6…951bbacked Hurricanes58c4,886$2,834 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,833.7620%0 W · 2 L-1.1wins-0.55per pick55cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x3c7e…a65fbacked Panthers43c4,651$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,651.1660337.5%226 W · 377 L-3.4wins-0.01per pick38cpaid-8.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd9d1…b0c6backed Panthers44c4,614$2,030 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,583.62250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+13.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x45e1…c872backed Hurricanes56c4,317$2,417 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,417.292846.4%13 W · 15 L-1.8wins-0.07per pick53cpaid-9.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xb875…68a8backed Hurricanes56c4,316$2,417 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,416.9624654.5%134 W · 112 L+9.2wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+9.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x2586…c893backed Hurricanes57c3,933$2,242 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,241.9783652.8%441 W · 395 L+28.9wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+7.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xde04…fa37backed Panthers64c3,393$2,183 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,210.232,31446.5%1,075 W · 1,239 L-7.5wins0.00per pick47cpaid-5.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x14ac…cb21backed Hurricanes55c3,193$1,756 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,756.2621755.3%120 W · 97 L+0.3wins0.00per pick55cpaid+0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8e68…d99bbacked Hurricanes55c3,000$1,650 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,65028652.4%150 W · 136 L+6.1wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Hurricanes66c2,957$1,940 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,939.881,30152.6%684 W · 617 L+23.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid-6.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Panthers42c2,598$1,092 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,505.951,67954.4%914 W · 765 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x0a77…9d74backed Panthers43c2,474$1,064 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,409.9152050%260 W · 260 L+6.8wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x371a…34b0backed Hurricanes1c2,444$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$24.447450.7%5 W · 740 L-13.2wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-94.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1d3a…7b63backed Panthers44c2,000$880 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,12086649.9%432 W · 434 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe948…ff23backed Panthers42c2,000$840 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,16029651.7%153 W · 143 L+3.4wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+3.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x17e5…f205backed Hurricanes1c2,000$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$202420.8%2 W · 240 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick2cpaid-17.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4534…f867backed Panthers9c2,000$180 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,8205425.9%14 W · 40 L+3.1wins+0.06per pick20cpaid+11.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x0eb3…f766backed Panthers41c1,974$809 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,164.6154047.6%257 W · 283 L-15.9wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-5.6%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xb177…1914backed Hurricanes56c1,729$968 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9681428.6%4 W · 10 L-3.3wins-0.23per pick52cpaid-35.5%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x13a1…d9bcbacked Panthers39c1,724$679 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,045.3557157.8%330 W · 241 L+12.7wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+1.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1ca8…1a39backed Hurricanes58c1,720$998 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$997.62650%13 W · 13 L-0.7wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-3.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd6f4…0566backed Panthers48c1,706$815 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$890.5695049.1%466 W · 484 L+12.6wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-10.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3f08…ed44backed Panthers61c1,623$990 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$632.955752.6%30 W · 27 L+3.9wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+16.4%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Hurricanes60c1,593$961 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$961.1589636.9%331 W · 565 L-30.9wins-0.03per pick40cpaid-26.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Panthers43c1,500$645 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$85536038.6%139 W · 221 L-5.6wins-0.02per pick40cpaid-3.6%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xe60a…6a47backed Hurricanes58c1,328$770 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$770.281,94849.4%962 W · 986 L+24.9wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+2.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed Panthers46c1,234$569 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$665.453,70450.5%1,871 W · 1,833 L+105.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf2c2…4de7backed Hurricanes56c1,200$672 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67238046.6%177 W · 203 L+3.2wins+0.01per pick46cpaid+6.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1ae7…cf61backed Panthers42c1,075$451 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$623.2513060%78 W · 52 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick59cpaid+1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x89f3…dfffbacked Panthers27c1,071$291 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$780.4329926.4%79 W · 220 L-20.5wins-0.07per pick33cpaid-35.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x1624…bf63backed Panthers34c1,027$350 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$676.939344.8%176 W · 217 L+23.3wins+0.06per pick39cpaid+1.8%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xe911…3d4ebacked Panthers59c1,017$599 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$418.831,38447.1%652 W · 732 L+25.6wins+0.02per pick45cpaid-1.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x977a…f2cabacked Hurricanes1c1,000$10 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101,1632.3%27 W · 1,136 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick3cpaid-87.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9c4d…168cbacked Panthers41c1,000$410 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5901,08745.1%490 W · 597 L+6.8wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6a89…2f26backed Panthers42c999.96$420 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$579.9770547.7%336 W · 369 L-26.9wins-0.04per pick51cpaid-7.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xe4fc…8af7backed Hurricanes57c998.24$569 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$56960249.5%298 W · 304 L-5.5wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-1.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x273c…7a42backed Panthers45c925.84$414 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$511.6718159.7%108 W · 73 L+8.3wins+0.05per pick55cpaid+7.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x3e58…3864backed Hurricanes56c891.25$499 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$499.16246.8%29 W · 33 L-1.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf5d4…a077backed Panthers42c867$364 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$502.8625045.2%113 W · 137 L+13.2wins+0.05per pick40cpaid+13.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xe83c…5e8fbacked Hurricanes55c764$420 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$420.272847.9%349 W · 379 L-1.7wins0.00per pick48cpaid-0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2822…741dbacked Panthers43c700$301 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3999254.3%50 W · 42 L+4.3wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+10.1%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xba26…23c9backed Hurricanes56c692.4$390 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$390.031,14350.8%581 W · 562 L+11.8wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2934…0b51backed Panthers42c649.98$273 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$376.9921147.4%100 W · 111 L+5.9wins+0.03per pick45cpaid+7.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x66c9…2e68backed Panthers78c641.03$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$141.034778.7%37 W · 10 L+3.7wins+0.08per pick71cpaid+10.9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xee7e…61bbbacked Panthers44c636.36$280 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$356.3641248.3%199 W · 213 L-5.0wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-2.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7b2c…af48backed Hurricanes56c600$333 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$333.4331851.9%165 W · 153 L+4.9wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x1244…c851backed Hurricanes55c600$330 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33022248.2%107 W · 115 L-5.2wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb589…33d4backed Hurricanes27c592$160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$159.8413435.8%48 W · 86 L+4.9wins+0.04per pick32cpaid+0.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf641…7b6fbacked Panthers59c588$346 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$241.8852172.6%378 W · 143 L+36.7wins+0.07per pick66cpaid+9.9%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x8889…a9d1backed Panthers44c563.13$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$313.1320345.3%92 W · 111 L-4.3wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-6.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4f90…2bd9backed Hurricanes56c527.73$296 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$295.531030%3 W · 7 L-1.9wins-0.19per pick49cpaid-41.6%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xb9ab…f282backed Panthers42c525.84$221 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$304.997338.4%28 W · 45 L-4.2wins-0.06per pick44cpaid-12.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xf819…d410backed Panthers46c518$238 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$279.7220951.7%108 W · 101 L+7.6wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+7.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Panthers43c514$223 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$291.141,43450.8%728 W · 706 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1761…f864backed Hurricanes59c501.42$296 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$295.841127.3%3 W · 8 L-2.8wins-0.25per pick53cpaid-46.3%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xb871…9f15backed Panthers45c500$225 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2755437%20 W · 34 L-5.8wins-0.11per pick48cpaid-23.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xe6e4…22ccbacked Hurricanes56c500$280 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$28048046.9%225 W · 255 L-13.2wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-5.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa07d…9871backed Panthers45c500$225 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27532451.2%166 W · 158 L+18.3wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+6.3%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf527…366bbacked Panthers30c500$151 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$349.58647.7%41 W · 45 L+7.0wins+0.08per pick40cpaid+17.6%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0a7e…fce4backed Panthers43c500$215 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28551044.5%227 W · 283 L+7.0wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x49e2…018dbacked Hurricanes58c496.29$289 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$289.0913448.5%65 W · 69 L-4.3wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-3.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf7c4…5919backed Panthers19c472.55$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$382.5754418%98 W · 446 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick17cpaid-6.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9dd9…08bdbacked Panthers54c452$246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$206.061,05442.5%448 W · 606 L-25.3wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-17.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x77c5…9a0ebacked Panthers29c448.04$130 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$318.1127357.5%157 W · 116 L+18.6wins+0.07per pick51cpaid+17.6%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0f8e…3082backed Panthers42c425.54$179 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$246.971,14051.5%587 W · 553 L+40.1wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+4.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xddd3…dba6backed Hurricanes71c421.7$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3002441.7%10 W · 14 L-1.0wins-0.04per pick46cpaid-13.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd397…5052backed Hurricanes73c412.33$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3006061.7%37 W · 23 L+0.4wins+0.01per pick61cpaid+0.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x10b0…8525backed Panthers45c400$180 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$22035349.6%175 W · 178 L-0.8wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe20a…e469backed Hurricanes55c400$220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22039047.9%187 W · 203 L-13.2wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-6.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x57b9…e9b4backed Hurricanes56c396.43$222 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22219353.9%104 W · 89 L+6.4wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+6.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x99fe…b61cbacked Hurricanes56c375$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2104037.5%15 W · 25 L-1.6wins-0.04per pick41cpaid-13.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3078…0389backed Panthers42c373.54$156 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$217.2560741%249 W · 358 L+5.3wins+0.01per pick40cpaid-0.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbbdc…9da2backed Panthers73c345$253 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.12050%10 W · 10 L-0.9wins-0.05per pick55cpaid-21.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NHL and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.