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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Spirit vs Team Yandex - Game 1 Winner

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Yandexof Team Spirit, Team Yandex
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$230,522
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$274,234

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $230,522 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 179 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x56c9…0d9ebacked Team Spirit73c27,859$20,462 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20,462.045757.9%33 W · 24 L-7.9wins-0.14per pick72cpaid-22.3%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Team Yandex47c13,000$6,075 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,925.281,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4572…83ffbacked Team Yandex31c12,713$3,989 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8,724.4753451.7%276 W · 258 L+2.3wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x29f9…e310backed Team Spirit70c8,012$5,620 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,620.2212256.6%69 W · 53 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+0.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd4f9…f619backed Team Yandex61c7,628$4,678 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,949.8414751.7%76 W · 71 L+11.1wins+0.08per pick44cpaid-1.1%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Team Yandex50c7,148$3,556 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,592.3989749.6%445 W · 452 L+22.4wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x2d39…6053backed Team Yandex32c7,031$2,227 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,804.741,03647.2%489 W · 547 L+15.3wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-9.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x2586…f071backed Team Yandex76c6,552$4,950 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,602.7134468.9%237 W · 107 L+26.3wins+0.08per pick61cpaid+2.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xd161…4cc1backed Team Spirit14c6,265$903 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$903.1580443.9%353 W · 451 L-1.7wins0.00per pick44cpaid-11%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x08c2…c023backed Team Spirit60c6,248$3,758 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,757.6848954.6%267 W · 222 L+23.6wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+3.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xd23d…f322backed Team Spirit66c5,787$3,800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,800.125459.3%32 W · 22 L+2.2wins+0.04per pick55cpaid-2.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3926…7e9ebacked Team Yandex56c4,500$2,520 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,9802766.7%18 W · 9 L+4.0wins+0.15per pick52cpaid+31.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x38fe…e150backed Team Spirit70c4,478$3,129 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,129.041163.6%7 W · 4 L+0.5wins+0.05per pick59cpaid+13.1%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x97e1…017bbacked Team Yandex37c4,121$1,544 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,576.8434146.6%159 W · 182 L+4.8wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-7.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0484…4e9ebacked Team Spirit72c3,839$2,764 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,764.111741.2%7 W · 10 L-1.3wins-0.08per pick49cpaid+5.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x48e4…c99ebacked Team Spirit3c3,000$81 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81128.3%1 W · 11 L+0.4wins+0.03per pick5cpaid+26.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbf85…1681backed Team Spirit1c3,000$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30110%0 W · 11 L-0.5wins-0.04per pick4cpaid-100%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcccc…dbddbacked Team Yandex31c2,807$858 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,948.9419943.2%86 W · 113 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-1.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Team Yandex35c2,795$976 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,819.322,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2249…3005backed Team Yandex38c2,664$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,663.549645.8%44 W · 52 L-12.1wins-0.13per pick58cpaid-25.8%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0xff80…9b4dbacked Team Spirit37c2,475$926 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$926.2717444.8%78 W · 96 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-6.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8a96…3087backed Team Yandex62c2,374$1,471 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$903.413850%69 W · 69 L+1.9wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcb30…302abacked Team Spirit76c2,310$1,757 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,756.5510451%53 W · 51 L-3.6wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-7.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9adf…55e8backed Team Spirit67c2,300$1,541 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,540.9919147.6%91 W · 100 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd9a3…b1dfbacked Team Yandex28c2,155$603 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,551.7410048%48 W · 52 L-0.5wins0.00per pick48cpaid-2.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdd5d…efa1backed Team Spirit1c2,000$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20714.3%1 W · 6 L-0.1wins-0.02per pick16cpaid-76.3%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x5520…32ffbacked Team Spirit2c2,000$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4090%0 W · 9 L-0.2wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-100%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x51b8…1df6backed Team Spirit13c1,905$252 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$252.3490%0 W · 9 L-2.6wins-0.29per pick29cpaid-100%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0xc459…7b3fbacked Team Yandex54c1,869$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$868.752759.3%16 W · 11 L+4.4wins+0.16per pick43cpaid+45.5%equal weight59+0.09 edge/pick
0x8c5a…ca43backed Team Spirit68c1,865$1,270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,269.54933.3%3 W · 6 L-1.7wins-0.19per pick52cpaid-39.3%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x34e6…cd63backed Team Spirit62c1,769$1,101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,101.11520%1 W · 4 L-1.7wins-0.34per pick54cpaid-50%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x67bb…b6efbacked Team Spirit69c1,706$1,179 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,179.3428159.8%168 W · 113 L+6.6wins+0.02per pick57cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Team Spirit43c1,482$641 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$640.9273841.7%308 W · 430 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Team Yandex28c1,376$387 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$988.239936.8%147 W · 252 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+6.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2687…1363backed Team Yandex28c1,343$377 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$965.9235758%207 W · 150 L+26.0wins+0.07per pick51cpaid+7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xf353…b287backed Team Spirit6c1,332$80 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$79.92714.3%1 W · 6 L+0.5wins+0.08per pick7cpaid+185.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa55e…c136backed Team Spirit66c1,300$853 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8533557.1%20 W · 15 L+4.0wins+0.11per pick46cpaid+4.8%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0xdb3a…0338backed Team Yandex42c1,188$496 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$691.996963.8%44 W · 25 L+7.4wins+0.11per pick53cpaid+24.2%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x9767…b5c4backed Team Spirit39c1,059$413 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$413.115946.5%74 W · 85 L+0.7wins0.00per pick46cpaid-2.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5a28…41edbacked Team Yandex25c1,024$256 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$768.1821350.7%108 W · 105 L+5.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+0.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x1f99…c209backed Team Spirit60c1,000$600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$60012851.6%66 W · 62 L-9.8wins-0.08per pick59cpaid-15.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x033e…1bb9backed Team Spirit70c994.29$696 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$69656848.8%277 W · 291 L-1.1wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6d58…8accbacked Team Yandex55c988$546 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$442.0712862.5%80 W · 48 L-4.7wins-0.04per pick66cpaid-8.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1464…5e75backed Team Spirit66c930.3$614 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$614.312351.2%63 W · 60 L-7.0wins-0.06per pick57cpaid-12.3%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x3db3…932fbacked Team Spirit56c893.09$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50016149.7%80 W · 81 L-4.7wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-9.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xb26c…46ddbacked Team Spirit49c821.08$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4008239%32 W · 50 L-4.5wins-0.05per pick44cpaid-17.3%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xb75e…1737backed Team Yandex37c819.09$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$518.8210945%49 W · 60 L+0.2wins0.00per pick45cpaid+5.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x249f…fed3backed Team Spirit65c802.89$519 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$518.9162650.5%316 W · 310 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf858…37d0backed Team Spirit61c745.35$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$452.61540%6 W · 9 L-1.4wins-0.09per pick49cpaid-4.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xa99f…9c1ebacked Team Spirit6c726.93$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.35137.7%1 W · 12 L-0.1wins0.00per pick8cpaid-13.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7072…abccbacked Team Spirit73c700$511 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$51112868%87 W · 41 L+5.5wins+0.04per pick64cpaid+5.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x031d…db9dbacked Team Spirit75c650$486 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$486.2515653.2%83 W · 73 L-6.9wins-0.04per pick58cpaid-9.5%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xca1f…ed28backed Team Spirit67c619.03$413 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$413.2460552.6%318 W · 287 L+15.0wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-0.3%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x32ee…83b0backed Team Spirit75c605.65$453 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$453.2415742%66 W · 91 L-8.5wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-12.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x1f04…5fc4backed Team Spirit68c595.31$405 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$404.8131545.4%143 W · 172 L-19.2wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x7433…c66cbacked Team Yandex49c583.18$285 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$298.251100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+104.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x62d1…c018backed Team Yandex61c556.76$338 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$219.012755.6%15 W · 12 L-0.8wins-0.03per pick59cpaid-3.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0341…a679backed Team Yandex27c535$144 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$390.558155.6%45 W · 36 L+8.2wins+0.10per pick45cpaid+37.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x30db…07c3backed Team Yandex29c517.24$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$367.2454445.8%249 W · 295 L-10.5wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa474…32cbbacked Team Yandex32c506.52$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$346.5253444.4%237 W · 297 L-4.6wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xaacf…5f84backed Team Yandex33c500.01$165 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$33559250.5%299 W · 293 L-20.7wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-10%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x93bc…8ca3backed Team Yandex32c500$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$34089440.3%360 W · 534 L+1.3wins0.00per pick40cpaid-2.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd01a…bf29backed Team Yandex44c490$215 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$275.315962.7%37 W · 22 L+2.3wins+0.04per pick59cpaid-0.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x328f…5b72backed Team Spirit47c471.67$223 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$222.661942.1%8 W · 11 L-2.0wins-0.11per pick53cpaid-28.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x5cab…a8cfbacked Team Spirit65c461.54$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30035370%247 W · 106 L+2.1wins+0.01per pick69cpaid+1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcf0e…c6a8backed Team Yandex44c452.73$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$252.736139.3%24 W · 37 L+0.1wins0.00per pick39cpaid-6.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb9be…8b35backed Team Yandex34c441.18$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$291.188349.4%41 W · 42 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick51cpaid+0.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x65e0…e51dbacked Team Yandex49c411.48$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$211.4819443.3%84 W · 110 L-9.2wins-0.05per pick48cpaid-15.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x43b3…6193backed Team Yandex67c403.94$270 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$134.189756.7%55 W · 42 L+9.5wins+0.10per pick47cpaid+7.6%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x827a…8a2bbacked Team Yandex32c399.99$128 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2728046.3%37 W · 43 L-3.9wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-7.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xee14…8055backed Team Yandex32c384.76$125 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$259.9614947.7%71 W · 78 L+6.5wins+0.04per pick43cpaid-5.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x9f7c…5a30backed Team Yandex62c382.87$237 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$145.619544.2%42 W · 53 L-4.4wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-22.9%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xdca4…1c68backed Team Spirit54c369.96$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$199.7864149.9%320 W · 321 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x94f1…b9e7backed Team Spirit74c363.75$271 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$270.5945951.9%238 W · 221 L+8.7wins+0.02per pick50cpaid-1.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3103…d804backed Team Spirit5c351.4$18 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$17.578627.9%24 W · 62 L-1.8wins-0.02per pick30cpaid-9.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xac70…2d8dbacked Team Yandex33c346.8$114 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$232.369245.7%42 W · 50 L+3.4wins+0.04per pick42cpaid+6.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfd3f…44f1backed Team Yandex33c326.74$107 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$219.744450%22 W · 22 L-1.7wins-0.04per pick54cpaid-12%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x5153…af7dbacked Team Spirit63c326.28$205 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$205.05966.7%6 W · 3 L+1.4wins+0.15per pick51cpaid+31.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xea61…cc32backed Team Yandex31c322.58$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$222.987549.3%37 W · 38 L+5.8wins+0.08per pick42cpaid+22.5%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0xe42b…7ea9backed Team Yandex30c318.96$97 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$221.7746535.1%163 W · 302 L+22.9wins+0.05per pick30cpaid+18.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x6719…1e71backed Team Spirit5c311.19$14 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14.390%0 W · 9 L-0.9wins-0.09per pick9cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x0d7c…b7dbbacked Team Yandex33c302.45$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$202.6417946.9%84 W · 95 L-4.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-5.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1ffc…8967backed Team Yandex42c300$125 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17522033.6%74 W · 146 L-0.6wins0.00per pick34cpaid-7.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x02a4…6854backed Team Spirit39c299.99$118 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$117.991,79755.8%1,003 W · 794 L+37.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid-1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfe9c…4cb4backed Team Yandex69c296.79$204 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.912744.4%12 W · 15 L-0.9wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-26.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0d27…bd5abacked Team Spirit68c272.06$184 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$184.2246872.2%338 W · 130 L+36.5wins+0.08per pick64cpaid+11.5%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x7e06…5a9bbacked Team Spirit75c265$199 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$198.751942.1%8 W · 11 L-2.3wins-0.12per pick54cpaid-34.9%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xe32c…db1bbacked Team Spirit33c262.19$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$86.072334.8%8 W · 15 L-2.0wins-0.09per pick44cpaid-37.3%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xf91e…7e0bbacked Team Spirit69c238.34$164 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$164.2120556.1%115 W · 90 L+3.4wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+4.7%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x78a2…d0a5backed Team Spirit75c224.75$168 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$167.968845.5%40 W · 48 L-6.7wins-0.08per pick53cpaid-10.1%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xde97…ddecbacked Team Spirit69c224.64$155 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155560%3 W · 2 L+0.2wins+0.04per pick56cpaid+29.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd9a5…c602backed Team Spirit7c222$16 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15.544932.7%16 W · 33 L+1.4wins+0.03per pick30cpaid-9.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1f40…66aabacked Team Spirit37c220$81 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$811233.3%4 W · 8 L-2.2wins-0.18per pick52cpaid-45.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x2f61…9131backed Team Spirit66c219.81$145 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$144.59742.9%3 W · 4 L-1.2wins-0.17per pick60cpaid-34.6%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x8330…b88fbacked Team Spirit73c200$146 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$146.248330.1%25 W · 58 L-3.9wins-0.05per pick35cpaid-16.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x8031…67e0backed Team Spirit54c200$108 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10873743.6%321 W · 416 L-10.8wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xecae…b906backed Team Yandex43c200$86 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1146647%31 W · 35 L-3.8wins-0.06per pick53cpaid-8.1%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x76d4…3ad4backed Team Spirit46c200$91 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$918149.4%40 W · 41 L+0.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-7.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa76e…dcb6backed Team Spirit67c200$134 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13434154.5%186 W · 155 L+15.8wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+12.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x07ca…a694backed Team Spirit21c200$42 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4210%0 W · 1 L-0.2wins-0.21per pick21cpaid-100%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.