CS2 · resolved market
Counter-Strike: M80 vs Voca (BO3) - ESL Challenger League North America Cup 1 Playoffs
https://tailmypicks.com/m/0xb70ee38a795947f28c1424ef0464b50e53a955696a79313ba9525d7ed27b87ad
Rebuilt .
What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- M80of M80, Voca
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- CS2every record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $61,853
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $57,588
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $61,853 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 80 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in CS2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in CS2 | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x1621…572cbacked Voca | 10c | 8,129$830 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$830 | 37 | 43.2%16 W · 21 L | -3.3wins | -0.09per pick | 52cpaid | -26.7%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x12c0…692bbacked Voca | 12c | 5,600$672 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$672 | 60 | 48.3%29 W · 31 L | +0.6wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | -2%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x52b7…0aa1backed Voca | 17c | 3,000$510 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$510 | 1,423 | 33.6%478 W · 945 L | +41.8wins | +0.03per pick | 31cpaid | +8.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xfd14…2267backed Voca | 17c | 1,972$332 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$331.78 | 5,876 | 37.7%2,213 W · 3,663 L | +71.9wins | +0.01per pick | 36cpaid | +0.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x5aa9…febebacked M80 | 74c | 1,893$1,401 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$491.78 | 1,040 | 44%458 W · 582 L | -22.2wins | -0.02per pick | 46cpaid | -22.1%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6814…a9e7backed Voca | 25c | 1,758$441 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$440.63 | 567 | 32.5%184 W · 383 L | -30.0wins | -0.05per pick | 38cpaid | -36.7%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x507e…beaebacked Voca | 2c | 1,479$34 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33.7 | 3,096 | 48.5%1,501 W · 1,595 L | +135.0wins | +0.04per pick | 44cpaid | -5.7%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x0674…2034backed M80 | 69c | 1,439$1,000 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$438.97 | 12 | 66.7%8 W · 4 L | +1.0wins | +0.08per pick | 59cpaid | -0.6%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x661d…4dc6backed Voca | 39c | 1,370$532 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$532.08 | 621 | 37.7%234 W · 387 L | -23.9wins | -0.04per pick | 42cpaid | -26.1%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Voca | 14c | 1,005$145 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$145.28 | 1,723 | 46.8%807 W · 916 L | +1.1wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | -1.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xcbd2…f8a0backed M80 | 77c | 999.99$767 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$232.97 | 187 | 52.4%98 W · 89 L | -0.7wins | 0.00per pick | 53cpaid | -3.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x29b5…cc6cbacked Voca | 25c | 994.85$251 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$250.57 | 5,095 | 55.1%2,805 W · 2,290 L | +119.3wins | +0.02per pick | 53cpaid | +5.1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xebff…70e5backed Voca | 37c | 883.24$330 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$330.34 | 2,774 | 24.5%681 W · 2,093 L | -295.8wins | -0.11per pick | 35cpaid | -50.7%equal weight | 38-0.11 edge/pick |
| 0x6cb0…9a6cbacked Voca | 29c | 869.7$255 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$254.9 | 24 | 54.2%13 W · 11 L | +2.5wins | +0.11per pick | 44cpaid | +8.3%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x1872…9ba9backed Voca | 62c | 800.65$500 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$500 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.6wins | -0.62per pick | 62cpaid | -100%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xbf3b…0375backed M80 | 78c | 800$627 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$173.26 | 392 | 45.9%180 W · 212 L | -6.5wins | -0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -7.6%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9670…6589backed Voca | 5c | 661$33 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33.05 | 10 | 0%0 W · 10 L | -0.2wins | -0.02per pick | 2cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9777…6b53backed Voca | 38c | 520.98$198 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$197.94 | 197 | 32.5%64 W · 133 L | +2.9wins | +0.01per pick | 31cpaid | -7.1%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x344b…f7fcbacked Voca | 34c | 514$176 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$176.12 | 543 | 46.2%251 W · 292 L | -9.5wins | -0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -13.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xc6ae…afe9backed Voca | 21c | 488.06$101 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$101.32 | 256 | 40.2%103 W · 153 L | +5.5wins | +0.02per pick | 38cpaid | +5.6%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9d94…017dbacked M80 | 73c | 480.47$351 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$129.25 | 2,221 | 41.3%917 W · 1,304 L | -22.6wins | -0.01per pick | 42cpaid | -19.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xd4ac…5e19backed M80 | 75c | 469.43$352 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$117.68 | 214 | 60.3%129 W · 85 L | +6.4wins | +0.03per pick | 57cpaid | +3.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xd37a…2358backed Voca | 15c | 453.56$70 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$69.74 | 872 | 44.8%391 W · 481 L | -17.6wins | -0.02per pick | 47cpaid | -1.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0f8e…3082backed Voca | 40c | 405$162 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$162.08 | 303 | 35.6%108 W · 195 L | -13.3wins | -0.04per pick | 40cpaid | -28.5%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xd218…b5c9backed Voca | 22c | 401.33$87 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$86.62 | 1,594 | 29.7%473 W · 1,121 L | -88.1wins | -0.06per pick | 35cpaid | -39.2%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x58ba…1ae8backed Voca | 27c | 396.21$106 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$106.29 | 11 | 36.4%4 W · 7 L | -0.8wins | -0.07per pick | 43cpaid | -31.8%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xaea0…0decbacked Voca | 36c | 372$133 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$133.41 | 489 | 48.7%238 W · 251 L | -0.5wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -12.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x21c2…6749backed Voca | 34c | 359$121 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$121 | 463 | 44.5%206 W · 257 L | -14.8wins | -0.03per pick | 48cpaid | -20.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x2ecb…7645backed Voca | 32c | 355.87$112 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$112.38 | 1,548 | 33.9%524 W · 1,024 L | -73.9wins | -0.05per pick | 39cpaid | -33.1%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0xe3ab…482ebacked Voca | 20c | 328.69$65 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$64.9 | 2 | 0%0 W · 2 L | -0.3wins | -0.17per pick | 17cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa6b8…4bdfbacked Voca | 16c | 307.79$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$49.78 | 37 | 18.9%7 W · 30 L | -1.6wins | -0.04per pick | 23cpaid | -51.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x7701…34debacked Voca | 10c | 300.86$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30.48 | 25 | 20%5 W · 20 L | -0.3wins | -0.01per pick | 21cpaid | -1.6%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdb71…10cdbacked Voca | 34c | 291.15$100 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$100 | 2 | 50%1 W · 1 L | 0.0wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -20.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x4aae…d563backed M80 | 74c | 268.54$200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$68.54 | 82 | 67.1%55 W · 27 L | -1.1wins | -0.01per pick | 68cpaid | -4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe911…3d4ebacked Voca | 48c | 265$127 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$127.2 | 2,798 | 37.6%1,051 W · 1,747 L | -138.2wins | -0.05per pick | 43cpaid | -20.6%equal weight | 45-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x7f2d…fbf5backed M80 | 80c | 240.1$191 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$49.02 | 527 | 55.8%294 W · 233 L | +23.0wins | +0.04per pick | 51cpaid | 0%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe463…f7b2backed Voca | 19c | 200$38 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$38 | 328 | 44.5%146 W · 182 L | -0.3wins | 0.00per pick | 45cpaid | -1.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xced8…221ebacked Voca | 17c | 200$33 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33 | 700 | 38.9%272 W · 428 L | -29.5wins | -0.04per pick | 43cpaid | -18.9%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe2e1…c20abacked Voca | 31c | 191$60 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$59.61 | 497 | 45.9%228 W · 269 L | -10.0wins | -0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -16.1%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x12ec…6ce1backed Voca | 14c | 178.57$25 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$25 | 18 | 27.8%5 W · 13 L | +0.9wins | +0.05per pick | 23cpaid | +8%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x313d…6f98backed M80 | 80c | 170.95$137 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$34.19 | 300 | 62.3%187 W · 113 L | -7.6wins | -0.03per pick | 65cpaid | -6.7%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x3cfb…f786backed Voca | 18c | 167.06$30 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$30 | 131 | 19.8%26 W · 105 L | -10.7wins | -0.08per pick | 28cpaid | -31.8%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xde04…fa37backed Voca | 39c | 161.39$63 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$63.49 | 380 | 37.4%142 W · 238 L | -14.8wins | -0.04per pick | 41cpaid | -26.7%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x401d…23c6backed M80 | 62c | 161.29$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$61.29 | 93 | 39.8%37 W · 56 L | -0.9wins | -0.01per pick | 41cpaid | -10%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe6a5…e95dbacked M80 | 69c | 143.89$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$43.89 | 581 | 49.2%286 W · 295 L | -17.2wins | -0.03per pick | 52cpaid | -8.1%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xdbdd…a5debacked M80 | 71c | 136.02$96 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$39.78 | 7,990 | 50.4%4,029 W · 3,961 L | +180.9wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -2.1%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x60b4…6313backed M80 | 78c | 128.48$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$28.48 | 93 | 64.5%60 W · 33 L | -3.4wins | -0.04per pick | 68cpaid | -4.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x2757…55f0backed Voca | 53c | 110.54$59 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$59.01 | 246 | 41.9%103 W · 143 L | -14.4wins | -0.06per pick | 48cpaid | -13.2%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x5998…f89cbacked M80 | 76c | 108.27$82 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$26.18 | 29 | 51.7%15 W · 14 L | -0.1wins | 0.00per pick | 52cpaid | -12%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x6c43…fb9bbacked M80 | 80c | 100$80 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20 | 252 | 43.3%109 W · 143 L | -1.4wins | -0.01per pick | 44cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 490.00 edge/pick |
| 0xac0c…739cbacked Voca | 18c | 100$18 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$18 | 660 | 34.1%225 W · 435 L | -21.3wins | -0.03per pick | 37cpaid | -22.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa8f5…1caabacked Voca | 22c | 97.1$21 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21.34 | 79 | 35.4%28 W · 51 L | -5.9wins | -0.07per pick | 43cpaid | -16.9%equal weight | 44-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x02a4…6854backed M80 | 73c | 90$65 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24.6 | 392 | 58.2%228 W · 164 L | +18.8wins | +0.05per pick | 53cpaid | +2.3%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x912e…0eaebacked M80 | 77c | 88.98$69 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$20.18 | 364 | 34.1%124 W · 240 L | -11.2wins | -0.03per pick | 37cpaid | -20.3%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa9f5…937fbacked Voca | 33c | 88$29 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$29.47 | 3,949 | 36.5%1,443 W · 2,506 L | -201.4wins | -0.05per pick | 42cpaid | -29.2%equal weight | 44-0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x2652…2a1dbacked M80 | 73c | 87.32$64 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$23.22 | 2,326 | 55.7%1,296 W · 1,030 L | +44.8wins | +0.02per pick | 54cpaid | -9.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x03c7…22f2backed M80 | 70c | 71.74$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.74 | 166 | 50.6%84 W · 82 L | -7.6wins | -0.05per pick | 55cpaid | -8.8%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xeecd…4fefbacked Voca | 24c | 70.18$17 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$16.98 | 382 | 59.7%228 W · 154 L | +2.1wins | +0.01per pick | 59cpaid | -1.8%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x9a6c…40f7backed Voca | 32c | 68.25$22 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$21.73 | 1 | 0%0 W · 1 L | -0.3wins | -0.32per pick | 32cpaid | -100%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xcb5b…f243backed M80 | 67c | 65.56$44 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.8 | 4,038 | 48.1%1,943 W · 2,095 L | -23.9wins | -0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -11.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x05b0…df5abacked Voca | 42c | 59.92$25 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$25.17 | 10 | 50%5 W · 5 L | -0.3wins | -0.03per pick | 53cpaid | -7.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0370…d000backed Voca | 22c | 52.99$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.56 | 286 | 60.1%172 W · 114 L | +17.3wins | +0.06per pick | 54cpaid | +6.4%equal weight | 56+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x51db…f9b3backed M80 | 65c | 52.76$34 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.63 | 6,501 | 42.9%2,791 W · 3,710 L | -79.3wins | -0.01per pick | 44cpaid | -21.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x94bb…c320backed M80 | 65c | 50.7$33 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.66 | 369 | 46.9%173 W · 196 L | -10.5wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -7.3%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x16fd…b4d3backed M80 | 77c | 50.47$39 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.72 | 298 | 40.3%120 W · 178 L | -9.3wins | -0.03per pick | 43cpaid | -24.7%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xff14…140cbacked M80 | 62c | 43.56$27 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$16.56 | 30 | 46.7%14 W · 16 L | -3.5wins | -0.12per pick | 58cpaid | -27.4%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x1cdf…6498backed M80 | 53c | 38.09$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$18.09 | 29 | 62.1%18 W · 11 L | +5.0wins | +0.17per pick | 45cpaid | +29.9%equal weight | 60+0.09 edge/pick |
| 0xc4db…e5fbbacked Voca | 41c | 35.73$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$14.65 | 6 | 33.3%2 W · 4 L | -0.7wins | -0.12per pick | 45cpaid | -49.3%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0fde…0258backed M80 | 62c | 35$22 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$13.3 | 815 | 51.7%421 W · 394 L | +26.3wins | +0.03per pick | 48cpaid | +5.8%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xac5d…7235backed M80 | 57c | 34.78$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.78 | 41 | 65.9%27 W · 14 L | +6.8wins | +0.17per pick | 49cpaid | +25.6%equal weight | 61+0.10 edge/pick |
| 0xf02d…9b64backed Voca | 59c | 33.73$20 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$20 | 3 | 0%0 W · 3 L | -1.7wins | -0.56per pick | 56cpaid | -100%equal weight | 43-0.06 edge/pick |
| 0x5b63…11a4backed Voca | 38c | 32.4$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.25 | 1,649 | 46.9%774 W · 875 L | -28.9wins | -0.02per pick | 49cpaid | -4.2%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xf4f8…5bf1backed Voca | 50c | 30$15 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$15 | 1,305 | 26.4%345 W · 960 L | -89.7wins | -0.07per pick | 33cpaid | -29.2%equal weight | 43-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xb6fc…b24ebacked M80 | 62c | 29.65$18 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$11.27 | 724 | 51.2%371 W · 353 L | +29.4wins | +0.04per pick | 47cpaid | +7.4%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xcccd…4a1bbacked M80 | 80c | 28.09$22 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$5.72 | 3 | 100%3 W · 0 L | +0.8wins | +0.25per pick | 75cpaid | +34.7%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xe90b…7bafbacked M80 | 72c | 27.8$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.81 | 3 | 66.7%2 W · 1 L | +0.1wins | +0.02per pick | 65cpaid | +5.9%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xeabe…5910backed M80 | 59c | 25$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$10.22 | 28 | 60.7%17 W · 11 L | +1.6wins | +0.06per pick | 55cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xbff7…554fbacked M80 | 57c | 22.71$13 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$9.83 | 47 | 76.6%36 W · 11 L | +9.9wins | +0.21per pick | 56cpaid | +35%equal weight | 65+0.14 edge/pick |
| 0x5b0c…d43abacked M80 | 79c | 15.71$12 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.3 | 470 | 47.9%225 W · 245 L | -3.4wins | -0.01per pick | 49cpaid | -0.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xb2e7…1f75backed M80 | 80c | 12.5$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2.5 | 31 | 51.6%16 W · 15 L | -0.2wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -9.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in CS2 and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- Counter-Strike: M80 vs Voca (BO3) - ESL Challenger League North America Cup 1 Playoffsthis page
- Counter-Strike: M80 vs Voca - Map 1 WinnerM80 won
- Counter-Strike: M80 vs Voca - Map 2 WinnerVoca won
- Map Handicap: M80 (-1.5) vs Voca (+1.5)Voca won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.