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NHL · resolved market

Red Wings vs. Maple Leafs

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Red Wingsof Red Wings, Maple Leafs
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NHLevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$389,400
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$401,212

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $389,400 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 634 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NHL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NHL
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xed88…f3c4backed Maple Leafs60c66,041$39,611 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39,610.529340.9%38 W · 55 L-2.8wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x2d0f…4faabacked Red Wings40c35,888$14,355 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21,532.84944.9%22 W · 27 L-1.3wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1117…3532backed Maple Leafs60c35,010$21,156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$21,156.156649.5%280 W · 286 L-7.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xaf38…a59bbacked Maple Leafs60c28,914$17,252 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$17,252.516743.1%72 W · 95 L-12.8wins-0.08per pick51cpaid-14.6%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0xec65…cf87backed Red Wings40c27,083$10,833 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$16,249.74475%3 W · 1 L+0.8wins+0.19per pick56cpaid+51.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc3c3…eec8backed Red Wings39c25,000$9,750 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15,25042552.2%222 W · 203 L+25.0wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+9%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x6a72…33eebacked Red Wings44c23,034$10,171 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12,863.241,34554.8%737 W · 608 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick53cpaid-1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2131…aaf2backed Red Wings40c21,119$8,448 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12,671.655253.8%28 W · 24 L+0.9wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+4.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xee00…cea1backed Maple Leafs61c18,684$11,397 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,397.444848.9%219 W · 229 L+12.0wins+0.03per pick46cpaid-1.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x6a32…0086backed Red Wings39c14,500$5,655 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8,84513049.2%64 W · 66 L+0.7wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2129…4222backed Maple Leafs59c12,167$7,178 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,178.340550.9%206 W · 199 L+8.5wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2c33…0563backed Red Wings39c12,053$4,701 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,352.413251.5%68 W · 64 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-3.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe895…c3dabacked Maple Leafs61c10,400$6,344 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,3441233.3%4 W · 8 L-2.6wins-0.22per pick55cpaid-42.8%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x7fb7…e33dbacked Red Wings39c9,061$3,534 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,527.219242.4%39 W · 53 L-6.0wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-14.8%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Maple Leafs60c8,000$4,800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,8001,44149.2%709 W · 732 L+6.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid+0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb786…b18dbacked Maple Leafs8c6,991$559 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$559.2692848.5%450 W · 478 L+17.6wins+0.02per pick47cpaid+5.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe5df…2f2dbacked Maple Leafs35c6,000$2,100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,1002653.8%14 W · 12 L-0.4wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-8.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7678…102ebacked Red Wings38c4,550$1,729 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,820.832360.9%14 W · 9 L+3.2wins+0.14per pick47cpaid+29%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x1d3a…7b63backed Red Wings39c4,444$1,733 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,710.8486649.9%432 W · 434 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x74ea…e906backed Maple Leafs62c4,300$2,645 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,644.5475%3 W · 1 L+0.8wins+0.20per pick55cpaid+45.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbe84…779ebacked Maple Leafs61c3,959$2,415 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,414.991957.9%11 W · 8 L+0.5wins+0.03per pick55cpaid-0.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcce5…bdafbacked Maple Leafs13c3,495$454 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$454.42839.3%11 W · 17 L-1.6wins-0.06per pick45cpaid-31.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Maple Leafs61c3,460$2,111 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,110.61,43450.8%728 W · 706 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5139…a8dbbacked Maple Leafs62c3,418$2,120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,120.3257453.8%309 W · 265 L+12.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+5.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd04d…d0e5backed Maple Leafs59c3,000$1,782 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,782.0297651.6%504 W · 472 L-3.9wins0.00per pick52cpaid+0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6239…c24fbacked Maple Leafs61c2,804$1,713 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,713.3269550.1%348 W · 347 L-4.2wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xecb1…5da3backed Maple Leafs32c2,637$846 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$845.8911352.2%59 W · 54 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+0.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4dbe…af34backed Maple Leafs60c2,630$1,577 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,576.554450%22 W · 22 L-0.8wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-3.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x305e…7d29backed Maple Leafs61c2,241$1,372 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,372.51936.8%7 W · 12 L-3.1wins-0.16per pick53cpaid-23.4%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x08a4…5c3fbacked Red Wings40c2,234$894 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,340.430551.5%157 W · 148 L+10.1wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+4.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x66c0…3f8bbacked Red Wings39c2,150$839 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,311.5450%2 W · 2 L+0.2wins+0.06per pick44cpaid+19.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2c8b…8f61backed Red Wings40c2,150$860 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,290366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.15per pick52cpaid+38%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x075f…833cbacked Maple Leafs62c1,992$1,235 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,235.151020%2 W · 8 L-3.7wins-0.37per pick57cpaid-63.2%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Red Wings66c1,954$1,293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$660.381,30152.6%684 W · 617 L+23.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid-6.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xae82…faf0backed Red Wings39c1,750$683 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,067.54264.3%27 W · 15 L+5.5wins+0.13per pick51cpaid+26.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xa6a8…5009backed Red Wings64c1,671$1,071 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$600.471,40647%661 W · 745 L+58.6wins+0.04per pick43cpaid-0.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x4a00…6e75backed Maple Leafs63c1,477$929 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$929.540%0 W · 4 L-1.8wins-0.45per pick45cpaid-100%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x4140…0272backed Red Wings39c1,477$580 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$896.593100%3 W · 0 L+1.5wins+0.49per pick51cpaid+115.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xde04…fa37backed Red Wings48c1,452$700 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$752.222,31446.5%1,075 W · 1,239 L-7.5wins0.00per pick47cpaid-5.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9731…9b35backed Red Wings40c1,425$570 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$855.1593953.6%503 W · 436 L+29.6wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbad2…5296backed Red Wings37c1,419$521 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$897.8289249.9%445 W · 447 L+10.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf699…07e1backed Maple Leafs11c1,417$156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155.8985464.2%548 W · 306 L+64.5wins+0.08per pick57cpaid+18.4%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xdbb9…ed8dbacked Maple Leafs60c1,299$780 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$779.671,23053.7%661 W · 569 L-9.1wins-0.01per pick54cpaid-2.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x29c0…efaabacked Maple Leafs60c1,282$771 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$770.921,63650.4%825 W · 811 L-20.9wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x04b9…cdaabacked Red Wings40c1,250$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$75010356.3%58 W · 45 L+4.1wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+12.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x5c57…5b16backed Maple Leafs61c1,223$752 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$752.131,47548.3%712 W · 763 L+2.7wins0.00per pick48cpaid+1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xef25…dc22backed Maple Leafs62c1,220$757 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$756.53933.3%3 W · 6 L-1.6wins-0.18per pick51cpaid-31.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x540c…a634backed Maple Leafs63c1,127$710 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7104242.9%18 W · 24 L-3.3wins-0.08per pick51cpaid-14.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x1d85…228ebacked Red Wings41c1,098$450 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$647.565253.8%28 W · 24 L+0.8wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Maple Leafs22c1,091$241 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$241.4489636.9%331 W · 565 L-30.9wins-0.03per pick40cpaid-26.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xbfdf…8e02backed Red Wings46c1,069$492 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$577.234845.4%158 W · 190 L-3.9wins-0.01per pick47cpaid+1.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe6fb…ee11backed Maple Leafs60c1,010$606 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$605.96648.5%32 W · 34 L-2.5wins-0.04per pick52cpaid-1.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5adf…a5e7backed Maple Leafs61c1,000$610 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$61063249.5%313 W · 319 L+2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid+1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0f69…23cbbacked Maple Leafs18c999.95$180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$179.9911127%30 W · 81 L+0.4wins0.00per pick27cpaid-13%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc864…97dfbacked Maple Leafs62c995$617 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$616.93053.3%16 W · 14 L0.0wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0362…449ebacked Red Wings68c882.35$600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$282.3545447.8%217 W · 237 L-17.4wins-0.04per pick52cpaid-6.9%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xfda4…e18abacked Maple Leafs60c823.18$495 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49520%0 W · 2 L-1.2wins-0.59per pick59cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x56c2…17bfbacked Red Wings39c820.17$320 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$500.325447.2%120 W · 134 L-1.2wins0.00per pick48cpaid-4.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdda2…4375backed Maple Leafs61c819.94$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$500.163650%18 W · 18 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x57a8…6933backed Maple Leafs62c802$497 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$497.2438844.6%173 W · 215 L-17.1wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-8%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xfecb…19babacked Maple Leafs44c777.59$340 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$339.811625%4 W · 12 L-4.5wins-0.28per pick53cpaid-56%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0xf42a…8470backed Maple Leafs33c766$252 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$251.621620.4%44 W · 172 L-11.0wins-0.05per pick25cpaid-34.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xaca3…cb95backed Maple Leafs61c750$458 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$457.510%0 W · 1 L-0.6wins-0.61per pick61cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x5d03…369abacked Maple Leafs61c600$366 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3662835.7%10 W · 18 L-3.2wins-0.11per pick47cpaid-22.9%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x2619…9f4ebacked Maple Leafs61c600$366 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3665040%20 W · 30 L-4.1wins-0.08per pick48cpaid-16.3%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xb02f…0673backed Maple Leafs59c600$355 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$355911.1%1 W · 8 L-3.2wins-0.35per pick46cpaid-76.4%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x8191…8a35backed Maple Leafs57c550$314 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$313.55655.4%31 W · 25 L+2.4wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+37.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x7231…8e0ebacked Red Wings78c511.36$400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$111.361662.5%10 W · 6 L-0.5wins-0.03per pick66cpaid-5.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4fc1…ec92backed Maple Leafs61c500$305 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30554349.5%269 W · 274 L+2.4wins0.00per pick49cpaid+2.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xcb43…3c74backed Red Wings40c500$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$30030447.4%144 W · 160 L-5.3wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-2.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa82b…5220backed Red Wings43c480$205 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$274.926547.5%126 W · 139 L+9.8wins+0.04per pick44cpaid-1.7%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x7c9b…5722backed Maple Leafs43c466.24$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2001118.2%2 W · 9 L-3.3wins-0.30per pick48cpaid-66.6%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0xb5e7…3c1abacked Maple Leafs62c443$275 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$274.6675155.8%419 W · 332 L+12.1wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+2.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x74bc…98c9backed Maple Leafs47c432.82$205 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$205.1212070.8%85 W · 35 L+10.9wins+0.09per pick62cpaid+16.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xf457…d1a6backed Red Wings38c394.74$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$244.748648.8%42 W · 44 L-2.6wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-3.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed Red Wings47c343.15$162 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$181.553,70450.5%1,871 W · 1,833 L+105.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xdb7c…8eabbacked Maple Leafs59c340.68$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20011245.5%51 W · 61 L-2.0wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-9.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x519d…37a1backed Maple Leafs3c336.26$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10.561016.9%7 W · 94 L+3.1wins+0.03per pick4cpaid+32.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x7fec…c965backed Red Wings40c336.07$134 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$201.641330.8%4 W · 9 L-2.5wins-0.19per pick50cpaid-39.8%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xa99c…3070backed Maple Leafs24c321.92$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$76.2329319.8%58 W · 235 L-9.4wins-0.03per pick23cpaid-23.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf313…383ebacked Red Wings78c312.03$244 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.531100%1 W · 0 L+0.2wins+0.22per pick78cpaid+27.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Red Wings39c308.53$120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$188.22,89451.3%1,484 W · 1,410 L+58.0wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+4.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xce6d…28b5backed Maple Leafs60c300$180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18074951.8%388 W · 361 L+18.8wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+5.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x5bc4…f44fbacked Maple Leafs61c300$183 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18368449.9%341 W · 343 L-3.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xde50…cf46backed Red Wings39c294.87$115 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$179.871258.3%7 W · 5 L+1.0wins+0.08per pick50cpaid+16.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3699…4ac4backed Red Wings38c289.47$110 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$179.471100%1 W · 0 L+0.6wins+0.62per pick38cpaid+163.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xd218…b5c9backed Maple Leafs54c286.97$154 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$153.699638.2%380 W · 616 L-10.3wins-0.01per pick39cpaid-12.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x864a…7cacbacked Maple Leafs60c275.65$165 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$165.3919851.5%102 W · 96 L-4.4wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6236…6881backed Red Wings38c270$103 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$167.420446.6%95 W · 109 L+0.7wins0.00per pick46cpaid-0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x831a…d532backed Red Wings60c255.6$154 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$101.985431.5%17 W · 37 L-5.8wins-0.11per pick42cpaid-42.5%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x7ceb…b516backed Maple Leafs60c250$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1508950.6%45 W · 44 L-2.5wins-0.03per pick53cpaid+6.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0111…0463backed Red Wings40c250$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15023140.3%93 W · 138 L-6.2wins-0.03per pick43cpaid-8.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xe68a…5e25backed Maple Leafs13c233$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30.297245.8%33 W · 39 L-3.9wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-9.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xd6a8…58fdbacked Red Wings40c225.23$90 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$135.1411537.4%43 W · 72 L+0.5wins0.00per pick37cpaid-4.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x93f7…e9c4backed Red Wings38c210.53$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$130.53560%3 W · 2 L+0.8wins+0.15per pick45cpaid+68.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xdbf6…513abacked Maple Leafs61c210$128 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$128.14634.8%16 W · 30 L-6.6wins-0.14per pick49cpaid-32.1%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0xdb90…1917backed Maple Leafs49c200$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$974131.7%13 W · 28 L-6.5wins-0.16per pick48cpaid-35.5%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0x8194…22adbacked Red Wings38c200$76 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1243938.5%15 W · 24 L-3.5wins-0.09per pick47cpaid-17.2%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x9aa5…f03cbacked Red Wings38c200$76 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1244060%24 W · 16 L+5.2wins+0.13per pick47cpaid+28.2%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x4b6e…5f91backed Maple Leafs62c200$124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1243237.5%12 W · 20 L-5.0wins-0.16per pick53cpaid-30.9%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NHL and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 2 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.