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NBA · resolved market

Cavaliers vs. Pistons

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Cavaliersof Cavaliers, Pistons
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$1,336,951
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$1,393,080

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $1,336,951 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 786 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x5afb…4511backed Cavaliers56c404,019$224,377 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$179,641.165540%22 W · 33 L-2.0wins-0.04per pick44cpaid-14.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x16b2…a881backed Pistons44c219,159$96,449 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$96,449.042,29851.7%1,188 W · 1,110 L+65.4wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+5.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc3c3…eec8backed Pistons29c100,000$29,443 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$29,442.5738248.7%186 W · 196 L+13.9wins+0.04per pick45cpaid+0.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x3151…0977backed Cavaliers71c97,672$69,590 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28,081.7919249.5%95 W · 97 L+0.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-13.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7b8c…1556backed Pistons36c78,683$28,498 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$28,498.145646.4%26 W · 30 L+3.5wins+0.06per pick40cpaid+33.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x3cda…6e17backed Pistons45c76,443$34,306 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34,305.998843.2%38 W · 50 L-6.0wins-0.07per pick50cpaid-19%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x1c0b…9f41backed Cavaliers48c60,000$28,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$31,2001172.7%8 W · 3 L+1.4wins+0.13per pick60cpaid+22.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xc350…3669backed Pistons45c50,000$22,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22,50014856.1%83 W · 65 L+5.2wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+2.2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc996…bb65backed Pistons52c43,817$22,785 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22,785.0347144.2%208 W · 263 L-10.1wins-0.02per pick46cpaid+0.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x83b9…6124backed Cavaliers56c35,059$19,672 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15,387.8736148.5%175 W · 186 L-3.5wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc153…6c8bbacked Cavaliers56c30,000$16,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$13,2001376.9%10 W · 3 L+2.4wins+0.18per pick59cpaid+35.7%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x2129…4222backed Cavaliers58c29,988$17,451 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12,536.847448.7%231 W · 243 L-0.4wins0.00per pick49cpaid+5.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5375…aeeabacked Cavaliers58c29,971$17,316 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$12,654.6185742.6%365 W · 492 L-15.6wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-13.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2f09…4632backed Cavaliers56c25,000$14,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11,00020253.5%108 W · 94 L+6.9wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+5.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3ed7…e617backed Cavaliers55c22,624$12,443 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$10,180.587255.6%40 W · 32 L+1.5wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+3.4%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x9e2f…ec47backed Pistons43c21,428$9,226 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9,226.374748.5%362 W · 385 L+8.6wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+2.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x900c…1d7abacked Pistons44c21,067$9,250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9,249.5871052.1%370 W · 340 L+11.9wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x051d…7679backed Cavaliers56c17,000$9,520 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,479.981080%8 W · 2 L+2.5wins+0.25per pick55cpaid+41%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xb870…e5c9backed Pistons44c16,500$7,260 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,2601040%4 W · 6 L-0.9wins-0.09per pick49cpaid-25%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x2c33…0563backed Cavaliers70c13,833$9,683 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,149.8126753.2%142 W · 125 L+3.0wins+0.01per pick52cpaid+0.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe688…0053backed Pistons44c13,500$5,940 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,94020%0 W · 2 L-0.9wins-0.45per pick45cpaid-100%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x4e67…2a9cbacked Cavaliers56c11,300$6,332 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,968.4540%2 W · 3 L-0.3wins-0.06per pick46cpaid-34%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xade8…b0bdbacked Cavaliers65c11,072$7,187 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,884.845246.2%24 W · 28 L-1.9wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-15.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x4c03…0cc1backed Pistons1c10,618$106 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.181,60211.8%189 W · 1,413 L-4.8wins0.00per pick12cpaid-6.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x90bb…7f60backed Pistons43c10,500$4,515 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,515540%2 W · 3 L-1.0wins-0.19per pick59cpaid-18%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x41f2…b9d3backed Cavaliers57c10,494$5,982 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,512.42650%3 W · 3 L-0.6wins-0.09per pick59cpaid-6.6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x134a…9e42backed Pistons3c10,015$346 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$346.375942.4%25 W · 34 L+2.9wins+0.05per pick37cpaid0%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x74d3…0332backed Pistons46c10,000$4,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,60034645.4%157 W · 189 L+8.3wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8812…c38dbacked Cavaliers58c9,680$5,575 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,105.47366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.15per pick52cpaid+35.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x941f…8f75backed Pistons44c9,500$4,180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,180366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.9wins+0.29per pick37cpaid+107.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x781c…db68backed Pistons8c9,485$737 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$737.241,38439.4%545 W · 839 L+4.8wins0.00per pick39cpaid-21.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb786…b18dbacked Pistons44c9,131$4,026 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,025.741,31650.5%664 W · 652 L+42.4wins+0.03per pick47cpaid-0.7%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc016…3c89backed Cavaliers56c9,000$5,040 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,960333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.9wins-0.30per pick63cpaid-40.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x3586…12edbacked Cavaliers56c8,700$4,872 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,828333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.9wins-0.30per pick63cpaid-40.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xebf0…0a9bbacked Pistons44c8,000$3,520 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,520333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.3wins-0.10per pick43cpaid+28.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd173…1a38backed Pistons44c8,000$3,520 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,520333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.3wins-0.10per pick43cpaid+28.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2a99…fc52backed Cavaliers78c7,964$6,215 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,749.672100%2 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.26per pick74cpaid+35.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x15d7…924dbacked Cavaliers56c7,800$4,368 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,432366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.3wins+0.09per pick57cpaid+38.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbd19…1a17backed Pistons44c7,453$3,271 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,270.59771.4%5 W · 2 L+1.0wins+0.14per pick58cpaid+22.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Cavaliers67c6,735$4,535 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,200.158,98847.5%4,268 W · 4,720 L+96.4wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x79cb…331ebacked Pistons1c6,686$42 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$42.448783%26 W · 852 L-22.3wins-0.03per pick5cpaid-62%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x4335…fc2fbacked Pistons45c6,671$3,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,00017354.3%94 W · 79 L+3.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5482…b6eebacked Pistons0c6,578$14 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14.375502.5%14 W · 536 L+2.2wins0.00per pick2cpaid-28.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x27c9…2278backed Pistons46c6,462$2,994 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,9941747.1%8 W · 9 L0.0wins0.00per pick47cpaid-11.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5b8e…5c3cbacked Pistons43c5,609$2,437 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,437.4744459.7%265 W · 179 L+12.4wins+0.03per pick57cpaid+7.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2ada…2f28backed Pistons2c5,466$104 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$104.3264517.1%110 W · 535 L-11.9wins-0.02per pick19cpaid-44.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc2a3…c3a6backed Pistons46c5,000$2,300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,3003663.9%23 W · 13 L+1.1wins+0.03per pick61cpaid+15.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4cc3…7552backed Pistons44c5,000$2,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,20019152.4%100 W · 91 L+16.5wins+0.09per pick44cpaid+23%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0x9fad…5a9fbacked Pistons44c5,000$2,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,2001,82052.1%948 W · 872 L+48.5wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+4.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xcacf…35ffbacked Pistons1c4,646$31 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31.087211%7 W · 714 L-2.6wins0.00per pick1cpaid-32.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Pistons43c4,370$1,892 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,892.39,72249.4%4,805 W · 4,917 L-2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x64b5…7543backed Pistons42c4,159$1,747 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,746.6535235.8%126 W · 226 L+5.1wins+0.01per pick34cpaid+10.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6a32…0086backed Pistons45c4,000$1,800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,8001,33251.2%682 W · 650 L+7.9wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x377c…91aebacked Pistons22c4,000$895 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$89547535.8%170 W · 305 L+41.1wins+0.09per pick27cpaid+26.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x29a3…8a3dbacked Cavaliers56c3,571$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,571.431838.9%7 W · 11 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick38cpaid-9.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1d3a…7b63backed Cavaliers57c3,000$1,710 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,29076249.5%377 W · 385 L-8.7wins-0.01per pick51cpaid+0.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb1fe…9974backed Cavaliers56c3,000$1,680 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,3204245.2%19 W · 23 L-1.6wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-9.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xb61f…9958backed Pistons1c2,957$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39.872010%2 W · 18 L-0.6wins-0.03per pick13cpaid-48.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xaaf0…153ebacked Cavaliers53c2,947$1,562 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,385.3540%2 W · 3 L-0.8wins-0.15per pick55cpaid-37.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5139…a8dbbacked Pistons45c2,881$1,294 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,293.7269852%363 W · 335 L+10.3wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+3.4%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x0e46…5bf7backed Pistons44c2,730$1,201 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,201.0930%0 W · 3 L-1.4wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x075f…f783backed Cavaliers72c2,723$1,949 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$774.64862.5%5 W · 3 L-0.7wins-0.09per pick72cpaid-8.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd9e0…05f2backed Pistons30c2,590$772 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$771.61,40940.2%567 W · 842 L-40.5wins-0.03per pick43cpaid-23.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe948…ff23backed Pistons46c2,500$1,150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,15017250%86 W · 86 L-3.0wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-2.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5137…1556backed Cavaliers55c2,316$1,275 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,040.532,26543.4%982 W · 1,283 L-26.7wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-4.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7fdd…5feabacked Pistons9c2,222$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2003243.8%14 W · 18 L+1.9wins+0.06per pick38cpaid+13.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x4231…f63ebacked Pistons44c2,203$962 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$961.9212160.3%73 W · 48 L+10.3wins+0.09per pick52cpaid+19.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x1117…3532backed Cavaliers57c2,130$1,214 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$915.781,02450.8%520 W · 504 L+18.6wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+5.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3697…f189backed Pistons11c2,000$220 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22065218.4%120 W · 532 L+12.0wins+0.02per pick17cpaid+0.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5b86…0669backed Cavaliers55c2,000$1,100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9003237.5%12 W · 20 L-4.0wins-0.12per pick50cpaid-28.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x081e…f76ebacked Cavaliers53c2,000$1,060 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94025945.6%118 W · 141 L-11.5wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-9.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x0b59…232fbacked Cavaliers55c1,818$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$818.182161.9%13 W · 8 L+0.7wins+0.04per pick58cpaid+8.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5116…58c4backed Cavaliers56c1,786$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$785.7176850.3%386 W · 382 L-5.0wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3c72…9567backed Cavaliers57c1,754$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$754.392100%2 W · 0 L+0.7wins+0.37per pick63cpaid+60.2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe766…404dbacked Cavaliers56c1,670$935 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$734.796746.3%31 W · 36 L-2.1wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-6.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x9e62…8603backed Cavaliers57c1,518$865 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$652.9475%3 W · 1 L+0.9wins+0.22per pick53cpaid+33.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8d0a…57e6backed Pistons44c1,517$668 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$667.64771.4%5 W · 2 L+1.5wins+0.21per pick50cpaid+49.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x8ec3…9766backed Pistons17c1,448$246 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2466659.1%39 W · 27 L-1.2wins-0.02per pick61cpaid-5.9%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xe42e…8d89backed Cavaliers57c1,402$801 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$600.85149%25 W · 26 L+1.1wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-3.4%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x74bc…98c9backed Cavaliers70c1,401$980 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$420.413042.3%55 W · 75 L-9.3wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-21.8%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x6fba…bdbdbacked Pistons3c1,268$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$32.6812254.9%67 W · 55 L-7.5wins-0.06per pick61cpaid-11.7%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x5fea…1accbacked Cavaliers56c1,250$700 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5501866.7%12 W · 6 L+3.2wins+0.18per pick49cpaid+40.6%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xbb00…42e9backed Cavaliers57c1,228$700 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$528.074454.5%24 W · 20 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick53cpaid+6.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8fea…ef0cbacked Pistons44c1,196$526 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$526.2410%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.44per pick44cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xcd34…140dbacked Pistons32c1,134$363 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$362.8820%0 W · 2 L-0.5wins-0.25per pick25cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xbfa5…3f52backed Pistons9c1,134$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1003625%9 W · 27 L+1.3wins+0.04per pick21cpaid+16.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd675…6b75backed Cavaliers57c1,120$638 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$481.451100%1 W · 0 L+0.4wins+0.43per pick57cpaid+75.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x073d…5a60backed Cavaliers57c1,117$637 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$480.391100%1 W · 0 L+0.4wins+0.43per pick57cpaid+75.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5bc4…f44fbacked Pistons44c1,100$484 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48445647.1%215 W · 241 L-2.6wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-1.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x81f5…70afbacked Pistons45c1,100$495 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49519448.5%94 W · 100 L+0.3wins0.00per pick48cpaid+3.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x64ec…af87backed Pistons45c1,093$490 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$489.56742.9%3 W · 4 L-0.4wins-0.06per pick49cpaid-20.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x29c0…efaabacked Cavaliers56c1,088$607 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$480.6473647.3%348 W · 388 L-12.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-2.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc40a…449fbacked Pistons44c1,059$466 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$465.9610%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.44per pick44cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Cavaliers57c1,037$587 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$449.872,04548.4%990 W · 1,055 L-30.3wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-3.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xf967…8cd4backed Pistons45c1,000$450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4509042.2%38 W · 52 L+5.9wins+0.07per pick36cpaid+19.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xc23b…24f9backed Pistons44c1,000$440 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4404951%25 W · 24 L-0.7wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-6.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x71b3…a5d6backed Cavaliers57c1,000$570 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4302653.8%14 W · 12 L+2.2wins+0.09per pick45cpaid-7.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x057f…185fbacked Pistons44c1,000$440 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$44010%0 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.44per pick44cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x81e4…6f22backed Pistons45c999.99$450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$45017250%86 W · 86 L+7.0wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+6.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x8488…588cbacked Cavaliers56c999.98$560 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$439.9943851.8%227 W · 211 L+0.6wins0.00per pick52cpaid+1.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 9 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.