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NBA · resolved market

Spread: Bulls (-3.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Kingsof Bulls, Kings
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
Polymarket published no figure
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$363,280

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $363,280 TailMyPicks’s own total, because the venue published none.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 180 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xf19d…276fbacked Kings47c48,483$22,778 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25,705.0323147.6%110 W · 121 L-2.0wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x8a6c…0b3fbacked Bulls55c45,659$25,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25,00036549.6%181 W · 184 L-1.8wins0.00per pick50cpaid-3%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x84db…aeebbacked Bulls53c31,834$16,867 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$16,867.121,37450.1%689 W · 685 L+34.9wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+7.3%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Kings46c28,486$13,192 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15,293.869,72249.4%4,805 W · 4,917 L-2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x23b6…3eeebacked Bulls46c25,000$11,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,5003046.7%14 W · 16 L-1.1wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8f03…64d6backed Bulls53c20,000$10,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,599.981,04651.1%534 W · 512 L-0.7wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x72b4…7d67backed Bulls47c18,810$8,845 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8,845.2130845.8%141 W · 167 L-12.8wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-9.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x1e8e…f185backed Kings54c14,835$8,011 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,824.12100%2 W · 0 L+0.9wins+0.45per pick55cpaid+83.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xbb15…0f02backed Kings53c13,204$7,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,204.1616640.4%67 W · 99 L-14.6wins-0.09per pick49cpaid-18.7%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Kings47c13,062$6,139 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,923.382,15351.3%1,105 W · 1,048 L+76.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x2016…93f5backed Kings54c11,062$5,973 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,088.52366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.5wins+0.15per pick51cpaid+31.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb2a4…cf8abacked Bulls47c9,883$4,645 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,645.0424744.1%109 W · 138 L-10.8wins-0.04per pick48cpaid-10.9%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Kings53c8,719$4,618 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,100.754,68249.6%2,324 W · 2,358 L+27.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbde3…4a49backed Bulls54c6,467$3,492 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,492.3927251.1%139 W · 133 L+10.4wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+7.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x5a8b…16d6backed Kings54c6,435$3,475 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,960.12100%2 W · 0 L+1.0wins+0.49per pick51cpaid+96.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x73ca…8ac1backed Kings54c6,056$3,270 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,785.732055%11 W · 9 L+0.7wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+6.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3a7a…15a4backed Bulls53c6,000$3,180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,18031044.8%139 W · 171 L+1.1wins0.00per pick44cpaid-3.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdc32…742cbacked Bulls46c5,817$2,676 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,675.82250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd6a3…9489backed Kings43c5,810$2,498 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,311.814,87848%2,341 W · 2,537 L+61.9wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5aa9…febebacked Bulls15c5,722$847 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$846.791,09640.9%448 W · 648 L+34.3wins+0.03per pick38cpaid-17%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xe3c1…b9c2backed Bulls46c5,539$2,548 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,547.94250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x21f3…35e3backed Kings47c5,527$2,592 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,934.772,50748.6%1,219 W · 1,288 L+19.8wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+0.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x976b…cf95backed Bulls46c5,515$2,537 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,536.9250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9b13…b3c7backed Bulls46c5,355$2,463 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,463.3333.3%1 W · 2 L+0.1wins+0.02per pick31cpaid-30.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa1f3…d99cbacked Kings47c5,319$2,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,819.1548546.4%225 W · 260 L-14.6wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-6.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9e6a…c3ecbacked Bulls46c5,269$2,424 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,423.74250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8ac7…32c3backed Bulls46c5,181$2,383 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,383.26250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6d3c…d294backed Kings53c5,158$2,715 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,443.714,32547%2,031 W · 2,294 L-69.5wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9838…c97bbacked Bulls46c5,144$2,366 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,366.24425%1 W · 3 L-0.5wins-0.14per pick39cpaid-47.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe27e…d929backed Bulls46c5,022$2,310 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,310.12366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.13per pick54cpaid+19.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x8c0b…7aa5backed Kings47c5,000$2,350 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,65048845.3%221 W · 267 L+18.9wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+1.4%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x1ffb…3d68backed Kings54c4,989$2,694 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,294.94771.4%5 W · 2 L+1.5wins+0.22per pick50cpaid+44.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x7686…122ebacked Kings54c4,946$2,671 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,275.164100%4 W · 0 L+2.0wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+103.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xe759…cf2ebacked Bulls46c4,892$2,250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,250.32333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.5wins-0.18per pick51cpaid-39.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x080c…9c68backed Bulls46c4,837$2,225 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,225.02250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4d3d…b0c1backed Bulls46c4,798$2,207 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,207.08250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5092…b42cbacked Bulls46c4,797$2,207 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,206.62250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xaac6…7b19backed Bulls46c4,796$2,206 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,206.16250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x12b8…5e96backed Bulls46c4,770$2,194 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,194.2250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x96d1…b8d8backed Bulls46c4,761$2,190 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,190.06250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa0bf…e7c1backed Kings54c4,754$2,567 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,186.84366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.15per pick52cpaid+31.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x24b4…a35abacked Bulls46c4,696$2,160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,160.16333.3%1 W · 2 L+0.1wins+0.02per pick31cpaid-30.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8bb3…f82ebacked Kings54c4,638$2,505 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,133.63100%3 W · 0 L+1.5wins+0.49per pick51cpaid+96.5%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xd42a…2e15backed Kings54c4,627$2,499 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,128.42666.7%4 W · 2 L+1.0wins+0.16per pick50cpaid+31.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x8b53…1f79backed Bulls46c4,520$2,079 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,079.2250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc944…4004backed Bulls46c4,468$2,055 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,055.28757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.3wins+0.05per pick53cpaid+6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfc15…74e1backed Kings54c4,374$2,362 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,012.04650%3 W · 3 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid+1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8e27…3e3abacked Bulls46c4,268$1,963 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,963.28250%1 W · 1 L+0.1wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7ad4…25e6backed Kings54c4,258$2,299 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,958.684100%4 W · 0 L+2.0wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+104.8%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x1aa2…30ccbacked Kings47c4,255$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,255.3238946%179 W · 210 L-13.6wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-7.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x572c…a672backed Kings54c4,247$2,293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,953.62366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.5wins+0.17per pick50cpaid+31.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9e2f…ec47backed Bulls52c4,222$2,196 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,195.5774748.5%362 W · 385 L+8.6wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+2.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd855…7b98backed Kings54c4,209$2,273 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,936.14862.5%5 W · 3 L+1.0wins+0.13per pick50cpaid+27.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xa04b…8baabacked Bulls46c4,197$1,931 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,930.62425%1 W · 3 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick24cpaid-47.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xde23…543ebacked Kings54c4,159$2,246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,913.14366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.5wins+0.16per pick50cpaid+28.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7ea5…de7bbacked Kings48c4,158$1,998 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,159.92,34648.7%1,142 W · 1,204 L-14.3wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-2.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbbc1…d8dfbacked Kings54c4,117$2,223 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,893.82560%3 W · 2 L+0.5wins+0.11per pick49cpaid+27%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5146…d204backed Kings54c4,065$2,195 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,869.96966.7%6 W · 3 L+1.5wins+0.16per pick50cpaid+33.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x30ff…c6cdbacked Kings54c4,061$2,193 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,868.06366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.14per pick52cpaid+28.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd725…bd22backed Kings54c4,059$2,192 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,867.145100%5 W · 0 L+2.5wins+0.50per pick50cpaid+101.4%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x9bbd…5f60backed Bulls46c3,936$1,811 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,810.56520%1 W · 4 L-0.5wins-0.11per pick31cpaid-58.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x84b9…985abacked Kings54c3,924$2,119 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,805.04666.7%4 W · 2 L+1.1wins+0.18per pick49cpaid+36.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc3cb…3fa2backed Bulls46c3,916$1,801 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,801.36333.3%1 W · 2 L+0.1wins+0.02per pick31cpaid-30.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x917b…143fbacked Kings54c3,908$2,110 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,797.68650%3 W · 3 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfad3…d5aabacked Kings54c3,887$2,099 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,788.02757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.4wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+10%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe3e3…7211backed Kings54c3,783$2,043 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,740.18785.7%6 W · 1 L+2.5wins+0.35per pick51cpaid+68.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x605d…cec3backed Bulls53c3,774$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,000.2215450.6%78 W · 76 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+2.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4cbd…5198backed Kings54c3,700$1,998 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,701.94450%2 W · 2 L0.0wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1968…2757backed Bulls46c3,681$1,693 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,693.26250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc0e3…e59abacked Kings54c3,639$1,965 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,673.94580%4 W · 1 L+1.4wins+0.29per pick51cpaid+57.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x65d6…6d6bbacked Bulls57c3,509$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,00012844.5%57 W · 71 L-2.6wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-6.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfbb5…dfd6backed Kings54c3,469$1,873 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,595.74862.5%5 W · 3 L+0.9wins+0.11per pick51cpaid+20%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2deb…313ebacked Kings54c3,437$1,856 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,581.02862.5%5 W · 3 L+0.9wins+0.11per pick51cpaid+23.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4435…0840backed Kings46c3,238$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,737.7426648.5%129 W · 137 L-3.6wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9b16…3fbcbacked Kings54c3,184$1,719 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,464.64560%3 W · 2 L+0.5wins+0.10per pick50cpaid+21.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3c7e…a65fbacked Bulls52c3,041$1,582 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,581.9580737.7%304 W · 503 L-33.9wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-16.1%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x84f7…ade1backed Kings53c2,256$1,196 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,060.321,71544.5%764 W · 951 L-0.2wins0.00per pick45cpaid+3.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x00d5…ed84backed Bulls48c2,083$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$999.6217050%85 W · 85 L+3.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+4.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7479…d35fbacked Kings47c1,950$925 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,024.553863.2%24 W · 14 L+5.6wins+0.15per pick48cpaid+32.1%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x4df3…788fbacked Kings46c1,868$852 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,015.816,21350.6%3,142 W · 3,071 L+53.8wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3cb0…35a6backed Bulls46c1,851$851 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$851.46785.7%6 W · 1 L+2.6wins+0.37per pick48cpaid+75.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xada5…db70backed Kings53c1,696$893 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$803.1351354.2%278 W · 235 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x24a5…5d07backed Kings56c1,650$925 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$724.625156.9%29 W · 22 L+3.8wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+21.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xdbb9…ed8dbacked Kings53c1,568$831 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$736.982,73646.7%1,277 W · 1,459 L-67.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xeb22…808abacked Bulls53c1,500$795 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$79595641.7%399 W · 557 L+1.6wins0.00per pick42cpaid+0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6814…a9e7backed Kings49c1,308$636 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$672.43,66841.9%1,538 W · 2,130 L-70.7wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-15.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x32ed…f960backed Bulls57c1,295$738 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$738.32,94951.5%1,519 W · 1,430 L+119.4wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+3.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xbaaf…ea09backed Bulls46c1,147$528 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$527.62366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.6wins+0.21per pick46cpaid+45.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x85d5…bbf0backed Bulls36c1,101$396 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$395.7224138.6%93 W · 148 L-5.2wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-14.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd4da…3175backed Bulls46c1,000$460 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$46071547.7%341 W · 374 L-26.9wins-0.04per pick51cpaid-6.1%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x2c54…7e41backed Kings49c957.14$469 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$488.148158%47 W · 34 L+0.8wins+0.01per pick57cpaid-0.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd106…c79cbacked Bulls50c930.26$462 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$461.664,78150.5%2,414 W · 2,367 L+20.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x685d…22d6backed Bulls47c902.98$424 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$424.430157.1%172 W · 129 L+14.0wins+0.05per pick53cpaid+4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xe216…7448backed Bulls56c897.15$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50059140.8%241 W · 350 L-7.7wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-0.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4a86…d3e0backed Bulls51c881.98$448 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$447.863,28549.1%1,613 W · 1,672 L+5.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x10b4…98fcbacked Kings54c867$468 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$398.82450%2 W · 2 L-0.1wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-3.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x01c7…e995backed Kings47c862.03$402 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$459.873,90247.8%1,864 W · 2,038 L-17.9wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x1dcb…6040backed Kings54c857$463 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$394.22250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-7.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe7ca…a175backed Bulls51c838.31$428 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$427.5482442.2%348 W · 476 L-3.7wins0.00per pick43cpaid-1.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa965…3565backed Kings41c802.9$326 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$476.741,91145.4%868 W · 1,043 L+22.1wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+3.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 27 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.