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CS2 · resolved market

Counter-Strike: Natus Vincere vs M80 - Map 1 Winner

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Natus Vincereof Natus Vincere, M80
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
CS2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$561,095
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$635,446

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $561,095 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 321 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in CS2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in CS2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x6d20…a165backed M8044c241,271$105,903 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$105,902.586758.2%39 W · 28 L+5.3wins+0.08per pick50cpaid+19%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x2c33…0563backed Natus Vincere55c57,832$31,808 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$26,024.3826256.1%147 W · 115 L+19.8wins+0.08per pick49cpaid+14.6%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x82dc…5700backed Natus Vincere57c23,534$13,466 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$10,067.9687847.9%421 W · 457 L+16.0wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-13.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x05f6…25a1backed Natus Vincere55c21,407$11,774 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9,633.271100%1 W · 0 L+0.4wins+0.45per pick55cpaid+81.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Natus Vincere58c19,807$11,414 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8,392.191,26346.9%592 W · 671 L+18.7wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-15.8%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x2d39…6053backed Natus Vincere56c16,000$9,017 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,982.5889546.8%419 W · 476 L+9.6wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-15.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Natus Vincere58c15,999$9,264 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,735.591,61945.5%737 W · 882 L+31.3wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-13.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x67ac…edf1backed Natus Vincere55c15,555$8,555 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,999.7512454%67 W · 57 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid-1.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3471…f17ebacked Natus Vincere58c15,000$8,643 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6,356.521,06049%519 W · 541 L+37.6wins+0.04per pick45cpaid-10.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x559b…4959backed Natus Vincere56c12,000$6,720 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,2802245.5%10 W · 12 L+0.3wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x86e9…4cdfbacked M8039c10,440$4,047 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,046.6436753.7%197 W · 170 L-8.3wins-0.02per pick56cpaid-6.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xba43…c6c0backed M8033c10,429$3,403 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,403.264245.2%19 W · 23 L+2.2wins+0.05per pick40cpaid+27.6%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xf377…4159backed M8042c10,000$4,191 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,190.85639.3%22 W · 34 L-1.7wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-8.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8718…5040backed Natus Vincere69c9,937$6,900 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,037.779071.1%64 W · 26 L+5.8wins+0.06per pick65cpaid+11.1%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x2525…3dddbacked M8031c9,680$3,031 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,031.4860%0 W · 6 L-3.1wins-0.51per pick51cpaid-100%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0x0ee5…e798backed M801c7,647$69 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$68.6519336.8%71 W · 122 L-0.9wins0.00per pick37cpaid-10.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xef26…05babacked Natus Vincere55c7,295$4,013 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,282.9660540%242 W · 363 L-14.3wins-0.02per pick42cpaid-8.8%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x1e52…eb43backed Natus Vincere55c6,380$3,509 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,871.164465.9%29 W · 15 L+4.5wins+0.10per pick56cpaid+19%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x19ae…395cbacked M8026c6,315$1,623 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,62324438.9%95 W · 149 L-8.1wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-9.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa4f0…b287backed M806c4,680$281 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$280.81020%2 W · 8 L-1.5wins-0.15per pick35cpaid-34.4%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x60d0…e05fbacked Natus Vincere56c4,400$2,464 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,9365844.8%26 W · 32 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed Natus Vincere69c4,376$3,005 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,370.731,43139%558 W · 873 L-41.8wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-29%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9e3e…f882backed M8027c4,113$1,111 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,110.5972645.6%331 W · 395 L-21.5wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-17.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa514…9c8fbacked Natus Vincere55c4,091$2,250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,840.916258.1%36 W · 26 L+5.7wins+0.09per pick49cpaid+13.6%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x1b9a…a06bbacked M802c4,000$80 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8070423.9%168 W · 536 L+2.7wins0.00per pick23cpaid-6.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x489b…a6ecbacked Natus Vincere80c3,974$3,179 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$794.813737.8%14 W · 23 L-2.8wins-0.07per pick45cpaid-31%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xaa57…a128backed Natus Vincere63c3,960$2,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,459.5926475%198 W · 66 L+24.2wins+0.09per pick66cpaid+11.7%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x87da…53d1backed M8034c3,787$1,277 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,277.2738546.2%178 W · 207 L-16.4wins-0.04per pick51cpaid-9.3%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xd202…8973backed Natus Vincere68c3,514$2,390 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,124.4818243.4%79 W · 103 L-6.8wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-10.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x5011…94b4backed Natus Vincere54c3,179$1,717 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,462.350341.6%209 W · 294 L+1.7wins0.00per pick41cpaid+16.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x67bb…b6efbacked Natus Vincere66c3,051$2,006 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,044.9776657.8%443 W · 323 L+3.4wins0.00per pick57cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5045…914abacked M8030c2,940$882 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$881.9211144.1%49 W · 62 L+0.2wins0.00per pick44cpaid+2.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf148…0b4fbacked M8033c2,798$924 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$924.4117546.9%82 W · 93 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick45cpaid-1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb4d2…ce99backed Natus Vincere66c2,537$1,686 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$850.452,66430.8%820 W · 1,844 L-109.1wins-0.04per pick35cpaid-30.1%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xa27c…ab67backed Natus Vincere67c2,529$1,691 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$837.8645859%270 W · 188 L-6.2wins-0.01per pick60cpaid-3.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x901b…e325backed M805c2,527$129 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$128.621020%2 W · 8 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick19cpaid-45.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3885…2cd8backed Natus Vincere64c2,329$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$828.615950.9%81 W · 78 L-2.7wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-6.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd205…1c8cbacked Natus Vincere67c2,324$1,557 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$766.82837.5%3 W · 5 L-0.7wins-0.09per pick46cpaid-41.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfeb9…95c9backed M8035c2,282$800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$800.2655232.4%179 W · 373 L-26.8wins-0.05per pick37cpaid-17.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xa1ae…46d7backed M8031c2,205$684 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$683.55837.5%3 W · 5 L-0.4wins-0.05per pick42cpaid-25.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf2bb…3250backed Natus Vincere55c2,182$1,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$981.828560%51 W · 34 L+6.7wins+0.08per pick52cpaid+16.9%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xc186…e96ebacked Natus Vincere55c2,182$1,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$981.823557.1%20 W · 15 L+2.2wins+0.06per pick51cpaid+5.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xa6e9…caedbacked Natus Vincere55c2,182$1,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$981.822065%13 W · 7 L+1.2wins+0.06per pick59cpaid+9.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xa8a8…bdc6backed Natus Vincere60c2,153$1,300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$853.311354%61 W · 52 L+0.5wins0.00per pick54cpaid+6.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7462…3ac3backed Natus Vincere69c2,099$1,447 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$652.2726147.1%123 W · 138 L+0.4wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6e54…511ebacked Natus Vincere62c2,057$1,266 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$790.5839944.1%176 W · 223 L+7.5wins+0.02per pick42cpaid+0.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd3bc…5bd2backed Natus Vincere74c1,973$1,456 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$516.68757.1%4 W · 3 L-0.8wins-0.12per pick69cpaid-21.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5ec2…82babacked M8021c1,918$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$400.314537.8%17 W · 28 L-1.6wins-0.04per pick41cpaid-7.1%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x59ee…c77cbacked Natus Vincere69c1,903$1,308 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$594.761442.9%6 W · 8 L-3.0wins-0.21per pick64cpaid-35.5%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x3724…69b5backed Natus Vincere67c1,900$1,273 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6278543.5%37 W · 48 L+0.8wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+7.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1aee…637abacked Natus Vincere67c1,800$1,214 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5863164.5%20 W · 11 L+4.3wins+0.14per pick51cpaid+24.1%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x18a4…3a31backed Natus Vincere67c1,775$1,189 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$585.6642854.9%235 W · 193 L+14.7wins+0.03per pick51cpaid-2.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xd25f…eab3backed M808c1,750$140 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$140.254843.8%21 W · 27 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick43cpaid-21%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x99a2…feedbacked M808c1,700$133 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13312232%39 W · 83 L-4.7wins-0.04per pick36cpaid-9.4%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xe907…cff6backed Natus Vincere79c1,670$1,322 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$348.552,36545.4%1,074 W · 1,291 L-58.3wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-16.3%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7dde…30b1backed M8043c1,649$710 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$710.098760.9%53 W · 34 L+3.3wins+0.04per pick57cpaid+8.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Natus Vincere67c1,559$1,038 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$521.062,09241.6%871 W · 1,221 L-50.8wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-16.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xf247…d8cabacked M8033c1,554$512 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$512.049749.5%48 W · 49 L+1.8wins+0.02per pick48cpaid-3.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x2687…1363backed Natus Vincere66c1,500$990 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$51039468%268 W · 126 L+26.1wins+0.07per pick61cpaid+3.5%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xdbaf…f5d1backed Natus Vincere59c1,469$867 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$602.361834.6%214 W · 404 L-9.4wins-0.02per pick36cpaid-7.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xa9ca…6a8bbacked M8034c1,458$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50075545.6%344 W · 411 L-21.2wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-6.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xfd68…a90fbacked M8031c1,449$449 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$449.191275%9 W · 3 L+3.2wins+0.27per pick48cpaid+69.1%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x5d7e…2ef7backed Natus Vincere68c1,433$981 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$451.5618259.9%109 W · 73 L+0.2wins0.00per pick60cpaid-4.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa623…a4febacked Natus Vincere65c1,358$888 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$469.9140853.7%219 W · 189 L+24.9wins+0.06per pick48cpaid-0.2%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x024c…5fa1backed M8032c1,339$428 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$428.4337845.5%172 W · 206 L+9.7wins+0.03per pick43cpaid+7.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x8c73…6dafbacked Natus Vincere75c1,333$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$333.143167.7%21 W · 10 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick69cpaid-4.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x180c…cd04backed M8015c1,200$176 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$17645439.6%180 W · 274 L+1.6wins0.00per pick39cpaid-2.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc0f1…8680backed Natus Vincere67c1,071$718 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$353.422,52743.1%1,088 W · 1,439 L+42.6wins+0.02per pick41cpaid-3.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x272d…bc2fbacked Natus Vincere58c1,064$621 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$443.118846.6%41 W · 47 L-2.7wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-4.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xa45f…4e8dbacked Natus Vincere74c1,020$752 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$268.391723.5%4 W · 13 L-4.4wins-0.26per pick50cpaid-55.8%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0xb421…8856backed Natus Vincere55c1,011$556 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$454.8322449.6%111 W · 113 L+5.0wins+0.02per pick47cpaid+7.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9ab3…3044backed M806c1,000$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$59.761,12142.5%476 W · 645 L-12.8wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x8d83…d89cbacked M8030c1,000$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3005851.7%30 W · 28 L+4.5wins+0.08per pick44cpaid+22.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xadef…8fffbacked Natus Vincere68c1,000$680 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3206437.5%24 W · 40 L-1.4wins-0.02per pick40cpaid-20.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xfd14…2267backed M8034c999.99$339 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$339.45,87637.7%2,213 W · 3,663 L+71.9wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+0.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x61a8…519dbacked M8022c900.76$199 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$199.2714945%67 W · 82 L-1.3wins-0.01per pick46cpaid+0.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6421…045dbacked Natus Vincere67c853.76$572 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$281.7417049.4%84 W · 86 L+4.1wins+0.02per pick47cpaid+5.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6bdf…f53dbacked M8013c850.8$112 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$111.612638.5%10 W · 16 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick38cpaid-14.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6fc2…9876backed M8028c809.99$227 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$226.82045%9 W · 11 L+1.4wins+0.07per pick38cpaid+30.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x73f4…158ebacked Natus Vincere73c800$580 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$219.974847.9%23 W · 25 L-0.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid-14.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xad08…c58bbacked M8030c782.99$235 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$234.93450%17 W · 17 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-4.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6a03…92d3backed Natus Vincere71c755.35$536 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$219.053237.5%12 W · 20 L-2.4wins-0.08per pick45cpaid-15.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x66b1…340fbacked Natus Vincere66c750$495 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2551,16748.2%562 W · 605 L+1.8wins0.00per pick48cpaid+0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4858…3dd3backed M8041c697.15$286 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$285.83825%2 W · 6 L-0.5wins-0.07per pick32cpaid-20.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x581f…9d8ebacked Natus Vincere67c687.84$460 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$228.2413451.5%69 W · 65 L+6.5wins+0.05per pick47cpaid+7.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x1dc1…4b17backed Natus Vincere67c640.83$429 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$211.48250%1 W · 1 L-0.4wins-0.18per pick68cpaid-25.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd619…c461backed M8030c613.75$184 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$184.1231843.1%137 W · 181 L+5.1wins+0.02per pick41cpaid+5.6%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x6401…f240backed Natus Vincere68c613$417 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$196.1636054.4%196 W · 164 L+16.7wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+15.6%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xc2e5…b3a5backed M8033c600$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$200.146246.8%216 W · 246 L-2.9wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-5.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xaeb7…278bbacked Natus Vincere58c600$348 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2522100%2 W · 0 L+1.2wins+0.58per pick42cpaid+185.2%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x6e2c…787cbacked M8030c599.43$180 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$180.3381744.7%365 W · 452 L-2.8wins0.00per pick45cpaid-23.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5505…aa44backed M8026c582.92$153 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$153.2340341.7%168 W · 235 L+7.1wins+0.02per pick40cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc6f1…5729backed Natus Vincere68c575.5$391 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$184.167565.3%49 W · 26 L-1.8wins-0.02per pick68cpaid-2.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x21ed…1ea1backed M8033c573$189 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$189.0914451.4%74 W · 70 L+7.9wins+0.05per pick46cpaid+13.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x962d…dc4cbacked M8035c565.35$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2008350.6%42 W · 41 L-4.9wins-0.06per pick57cpaid-18.4%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x74b7…8b0bbacked M8042c550$230 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$230.492934.5%10 W · 19 L-1.6wins-0.05per pick40cpaid-21.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x84ad…bfb7backed Natus Vincere66c539$358 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$181.171,11054.2%602 W · 508 L+38.0wins+0.03per pick51cpaid-8.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x5e7f…33b5backed M8030c529.99$158 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1582339.1%9 W · 14 L-0.9wins-0.04per pick43cpaid+2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8c0b…f0fbbacked Natus Vincere57c524.99$299 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$226.251250%6 W · 6 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8935…7daabacked M8024c524.88$124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$124.412,67247.8%1,277 W · 1,395 L-31.8wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-10.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in CS2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 11 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.