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CS2 · resolved market

Map Handicap: NAVI (-1.5) vs HOTU (+1.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Natus Vincereof Natus Vincere, HOTU
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
CS2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$74,521
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$94,540

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $74,521 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 156 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in CS2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in CS2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xc257…358ebacked HOTU40c19,661$7,864 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,864.3639249%192 W · 200 L+0.9wins0.00per pick49cpaid-2.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked HOTU31c10,142$3,097 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,097.283,09648.5%1,501 W · 1,595 L+135.0wins+0.04per pick44cpaid-5.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xea79…a9ccbacked Natus Vincere61c8,507$5,223 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,283.4414954.4%81 W · 68 L-6.5wins-0.04per pick59cpaid-6.2%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x39d3…9ef0backed HOTU38c7,419$2,794 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,794.444235.7%15 W · 27 L-4.5wins-0.11per pick46cpaid-30.9%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0x5b10…9659backed Natus Vincere60c3,904$2,342 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,561.646749.7%232 W · 235 L-12.4wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-6.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xda17…abc5backed Natus Vincere66c3,785$2,517 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,268.319353.8%50 W · 43 L0.0wins0.00per pick54cpaid+0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2837…39d8backed Natus Vincere60c2,928$1,757 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,171.21963.2%12 W · 7 L+0.2wins+0.01per pick62cpaid+4.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcd66…664fbacked Natus Vincere62c2,663$1,641 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,022.2938358.7%225 W · 158 L-7.9wins-0.02per pick61cpaid-2.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0659…d74dbacked HOTU30c2,622$777 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$776.7498052.4%514 W · 466 L+26.9wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+3.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd574…33e2backed Natus Vincere75c2,288$1,716 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$572.153743.2%16 W · 21 L+2.8wins+0.07per pick36cpaid+4.8%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xbf5e…4189backed Natus Vincere65c1,798$1,175 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$623.3533452.1%174 W · 160 L+10.7wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+1.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x1d5c…4f26backed HOTU41c1,765$723 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$723.4535236.4%128 W · 224 L-1.4wins0.00per pick37cpaid+3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3fcf…056bbacked Natus Vincere59c1,239$729 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$510.3311354.9%62 W · 51 L+5.1wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+6.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x0e1b…ecafbacked HOTU33c1,206$401 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$401.122,32851.1%1,189 W · 1,139 L+92.3wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+1.4%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xabf4…43f7backed Natus Vincere70c1,167$821 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$346.3757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.6wins+0.09per pick49cpaid+13.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8aa0…1160backed Natus Vincere71c1,100$784 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$31612651.6%65 W · 61 L+4.6wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+0.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x972f…65bdbacked Natus Vincere78c1,044$814 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$229.6239157.5%225 W · 166 L+4.0wins+0.01per pick57cpaid+2.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2c50…89b6backed Natus Vincere71c1,011$717 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$294.218061.7%111 W · 69 L+5.6wins+0.03per pick59cpaid+5.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8f69…7df1backed Natus Vincere59c1,000$590 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$41075450.5%381 W · 373 L+17.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+1.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xcc6e…fa6fbacked Natus Vincere60c813.33$488 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$325.3316248.1%78 W · 84 L+0.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8a2c…5172backed Natus Vincere68c803.14$545 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$257.853030%9 W · 21 L-3.3wins-0.11per pick41cpaid-35.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xa2c6…d14dbacked Natus Vincere65c793.89$513 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$280.9611952.1%62 W · 57 L-3.5wins-0.03per pick55cpaid-6.1%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xe41f…d9dcbacked Natus Vincere68c737.04$501 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$235.8565650.3%330 W · 326 L-15.4wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x56de…bc32backed Natus Vincere60c732$439 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$292.85349.1%26 W · 27 L-2.2wins-0.04per pick53cpaid-14.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x354f…95f8backed Natus Vincere68c721.16$490 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$230.7712954.3%70 W · 59 L+1.9wins+0.01per pick53cpaid+5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8e11…e1f5backed HOTU25c672.79$169 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$169.013348.5%16 W · 17 L+1.5wins+0.05per pick44cpaid+15.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x34d5…e0c1backed Natus Vincere60c663.44$395 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$268.0136555.9%204 W · 161 L+13.4wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+2.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x3449…4030backed HOTU38c641.02$244 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$243.5913738.7%53 W · 84 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-6.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xff34…694bbacked HOTU28c562.56$157 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$157.331,77959.1%1,052 W · 727 L+104.8wins+0.06per pick53cpaid+4%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x70ef…e25dbacked Natus Vincere60c544.22$325 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$219.2713051.5%67 W · 63 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-4.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5f49…463abacked HOTU41c500$205 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20517945.3%81 W · 98 L-0.7wins0.00per pick46cpaid-6.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6c19…6303backed Natus Vincere60c494.51$297 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$197.83265.6%21 W · 11 L+3.2wins+0.10per pick56cpaid+19.7%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x6df5…6430backed Natus Vincere60c488$293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.21,27821.9%280 W · 998 L-24.3wins-0.02per pick24cpaid-16.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd752…85d4backed Natus Vincere60c488$293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.236837.5%138 W · 230 L+4.8wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+13.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5f4d…0d5ebacked Natus Vincere60c488$293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.22774.1%20 W · 7 L+3.6wins+0.13per pick61cpaid+27.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x83b3…b3a2backed Natus Vincere60c488$293 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.218547%87 W · 98 L+5.3wins+0.03per pick44cpaid+6.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xa272…797abacked HOTU41c470.54$193 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$192.924841.7%20 W · 28 L-3.7wins-0.08per pick49cpaid-18.2%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x143d…2602backed Natus Vincere66c445.76$294 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$152.0412557.6%72 W · 53 L-4.8wins-0.04per pick61cpaid-7.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x9345…0afbbacked Natus Vincere70c420.18$294 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$126.0615363.4%97 W · 56 L+8.2wins+0.05per pick58cpaid+10.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x5192…df62backed Natus Vincere71c415.18$295 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$120.42259.1%13 W · 9 L+1.6wins+0.07per pick52cpaid+18%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0b3c…a34abacked Natus Vincere60c394.19$237 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$157.6826443.2%114 W · 150 L-10.3wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-12.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x021a…d3aebacked Natus Vincere60c389.5$234 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$155.825042.4%106 W · 144 L+0.7wins0.00per pick42cpaid+2.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x7a57…968cbacked HOTU26c380$99 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$98.89443.6%41 W · 53 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick42cpaid+1.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7ebc…c639backed HOTU34c364.95$124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$124.082536%9 W · 16 L-2.7wins-0.11per pick47cpaid-34.5%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x8532…5fafbacked Natus Vincere60c364.37$219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$145.7525045.2%113 W · 137 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-4.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc4de…0da4backed Natus Vincere68c359.04$245 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.7933960.8%206 W · 133 L+6.2wins+0.02per pick59cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xceed…f8eebacked Natus Vincere59c333$196 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$136.5317853.9%96 W · 82 L+0.6wins0.00per pick54cpaid-1.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd4ac…5e19backed Natus Vincere60c323.71$194 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$129.4821460.3%129 W · 85 L+6.4wins+0.03per pick57cpaid+3.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xab90…a576backed Natus Vincere74c318.51$236 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$82.811145.5%5 W · 6 L-1.2wins-0.11per pick57cpaid-6.1%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x8f5f…d393backed HOTU44c309.62$136 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$136.233844.7%17 W · 21 L+1.8wins+0.05per pick40cpaid+4.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc4db…7e0cbacked HOTU36c300$108 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1081,57335.3%556 W · 1,017 L+22.5wins+0.01per pick34cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x2b26…57e9backed Natus Vincere58c277.78$161 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$116.51,48558%862 W · 623 L+66.5wins+0.04per pick54cpaid+6.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x2d40…ec52backed Natus Vincere58c266.67$155 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11238954.5%212 W · 177 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x675c…4341backed Natus Vincere60c243.67$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$97.4718748.1%90 W · 97 L+0.1wins0.00per pick48cpaid+0.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe4dd…4f27backed HOTU38c241.22$91 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$90.6950947%239 W · 270 L+11.3wins+0.02per pick45cpaid+4.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb6d0…a3c2backed Natus Vincere63c235.57$148 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$87.21757.1%4 W · 3 L+0.3wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4969…6d77backed HOTU41c235.27$96 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$96.4622734.4%78 W · 149 L+1.3wins+0.01per pick34cpaid-3%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xbf07…4a12backed Natus Vincere64c220.93$141 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$79.5434742.9%149 W · 198 L-8.7wins-0.03per pick45cpaid-5.2%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x3488…54c2backed Natus Vincere71c207.93$147 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$60.5514856.1%83 W · 65 L+6.1wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+8.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf4cd…a898backed Natus Vincere68c200$136 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$648953.9%48 W · 41 L+1.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid-3.1%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x4d76…90a0backed Natus Vincere71c166.06$118 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48.161275%9 W · 3 L+3.1wins+0.26per pick49cpaid+65.8%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x2cd2…1f27backed Natus Vincere60c164.29$99 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.7254439.7%216 W · 328 L-1.4wins0.00per pick40cpaid-9.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa430…c6f9backed Natus Vincere60c163.14$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.553167.7%21 W · 10 L+2.6wins+0.08per pick59cpaid+17.7%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x70dc…56aebacked Natus Vincere60c162.67$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.074156.1%23 W · 18 L+1.5wins+0.04per pick53cpaid+6.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x89eb…cff9backed Natus Vincere60c162.67$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65.0736450.3%183 W · 181 L-8.4wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-6%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe0fc…0ef5backed Natus Vincere60c154.69$93 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$61.978359%49 W · 34 L+6.6wins+0.08per pick51cpaid+16.8%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x91d9…13f4backed HOTU42c154.41$65 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$64.561338.5%5 W · 8 L-1.2wins-0.09per pick48cpaid-26.1%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x5ea2…370cbacked HOTU32c151.01$48 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48.32520%1 W · 4 L-0.4wins-0.07per pick27cpaid-45.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7244…b819backed Natus Vincere60c146.4$88 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$58.5614853.4%79 W · 69 L+2.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xaebf…b45fbacked Natus Vincere67c146.37$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48.357758.4%45 W · 32 L-1.7wins-0.02per pick61cpaid-7.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4c6a…189bbacked Natus Vincere65c136.11$88 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48.026460.9%39 W · 25 L+3.4wins+0.05per pick56cpaid+2.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x6c04…a593backed HOTU41c133.11$55 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$54.5818426.1%48 W · 136 L-2.7wins-0.01per pick28cpaid-14.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0c99…0c88backed HOTU33c130.61$43 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$43.42,43444.6%1,085 W · 1,349 L-64.0wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-13.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4619…2108backed Natus Vincere70c130$91 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$396355.6%35 W · 28 L0.0wins0.00per pick56cpaid+3.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x39dd…7af9backed HOTU25c129.01$32 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$32.43429.4%10 W · 24 L-6.2wins-0.18per pick48cpaid-45.3%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0x6bb5…a518backed HOTU32c128.28$42 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$41.645042%21 W · 29 L-0.1wins0.00per pick42cpaid-11.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8185…5cf6backed Natus Vincere60c122$73 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$48.8250%1 W · 1 L-0.3wins-0.13per pick63cpaid-16.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9bd9…084fbacked HOTU34c119.69$41 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$41.1747260%283 W · 189 L+31.8wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+8.2%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0f2b…8775backed Natus Vincere60c108.56$65 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$43.4328556.8%162 W · 123 L+5.1wins+0.02per pick55cpaid-2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7f12…95c3backed Natus Vincere71c103.8$74 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$30.14100%4 W · 0 L+2.0wins+0.49per pick51cpaid+155.1%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x80d8…b703backed HOTU34c100$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.51,67651.1%857 W · 819 L+21.2wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9637…cefdbacked Natus Vincere73c100$73 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$274348.8%21 W · 22 L-3.4wins-0.08per pick57cpaid-5.7%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x8e86…7932backed HOTU41c98.81$41 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.5128346.6%132 W · 151 L-7.4wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-10.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x94bb…c320backed HOTU30c98.66$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$29.636846.7%172 W · 196 L-10.8wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-7.5%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xf898…e720backed Natus Vincere62c96.73$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36.921,37845.2%623 W · 755 L+17.9wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-7.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb7d9…c572backed HOTU41c91.75$38 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$37.6218750.8%95 W · 92 L+3.5wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-0.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x72a9…44d3backed Natus Vincere67c89.04$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29.383850%19 W · 19 L+1.4wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf88b…0ed2backed Natus Vincere59c87.78$52 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36.0923354.5%127 W · 106 L-0.2wins0.00per pick55cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc3b5…5b6abacked HOTU41c86.46$35 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35.451030%3 W · 7 L+0.2wins+0.02per pick28cpaid+201.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x642c…21a7backed Natus Vincere76c82.58$63 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$19.8220251%103 W · 99 L+5.0wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+6.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5076…e15dbacked Natus Vincere60c81.33$49 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32.5331759.9%190 W · 127 L-1.6wins-0.01per pick60cpaid-2.4%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xd68d…1f62backed Natus Vincere60c81.33$49 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32.5325446.1%117 W · 137 L-11.7wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-15.5%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xa965…7f73backed Natus Vincere60c81.33$49 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32.5312260.7%74 W · 48 L+9.1wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+12%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x0cc7…9194backed HOTU41c81.05$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.239251.1%47 W · 45 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x156b…c533backed Natus Vincere63c80.78$51 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$29.9422256.8%126 W · 96 L-11.4wins-0.05per pick62cpaid-8.9%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x27cd…0cd5backed Natus Vincere77c77.7$60 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17.52580%4 W · 1 L+1.4wins+0.29per pick51cpaid+62.5%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x4177…a2b4backed HOTU41c77.64$32 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31.831,24841.3%516 W · 732 L+5.1wins0.00per pick41cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa07d…a037backed HOTU31c73.48$23 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$22.732,10216.8%353 W · 1,749 L-286.5wins-0.14per pick30cpaid-47.2%equal weight35-0.13 edge/pick
0x3f12…3e35backed HOTU37c71.78$27 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26.5631642.1%133 W · 183 L-7.1wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-12.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x53f9…e920backed Natus Vincere68c70.68$48 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$22.623956.4%22 W · 17 L+2.6wins+0.07per pick50cpaid+17.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in CS2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 5 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.