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Dota2 · resolved market

Dota 2: Team Spirit vs Natus Vincere (BO3)

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What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Team Spiritof Team Spirit, Natus Vincere
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Dota2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$188,929
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$215,346

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $188,929 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 173 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Dota2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Dota2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x507e…beaebacked Natus Vincere14c15,115$2,124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,124.452,01244.2%889 W · 1,123 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick42cpaid-7.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x29f9…e310backed Team Spirit69c8,801$6,072 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,728.2112256.6%69 W · 53 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+0.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6f48…218cbacked Natus Vincere27c7,406$2,010 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,009.92757.1%4 W · 3 L-0.3wins-0.04per pick62cpaid-17.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xcccc…dbddbacked Natus Vincere16c6,861$1,098 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,097.7619943.2%86 W · 113 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-1.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd903…bf9dbacked Natus Vincere13c6,713$885 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$884.8810338.8%40 W · 63 L+3.0wins+0.03per pick36cpaid-5.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x3b5c…126ebacked Natus Vincere27c6,025$1,627 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,626.624940.8%20 W · 29 L-3.7wins-0.07per pick48cpaid-25.2%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Natus Vincere12c6,006$717 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$716.5873841.7%308 W · 430 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick42cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbdac…f7e2backed Natus Vincere31c5,626$1,744 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,7443036.7%11 W · 19 L-2.1wins-0.07per pick44cpaid-33%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xe3d4…2bacbacked Team Spirit76c4,771$3,636 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,135.0916665.7%109 W · 57 L+1.7wins+0.01per pick65cpaid+4.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbd09…a188backed Natus Vincere25c3,818$938 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$937.818452.2%96 W · 88 L+8.2wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+13.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Natus Vincere15c3,476$525 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$525.241,82145%820 W · 1,001 L+33.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-10.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3a7a…15a4backed Natus Vincere31c3,239$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,0005541.8%23 W · 32 L-1.8wins-0.03per pick45cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x47c8…f30abacked Natus Vincere6c2,994$193 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$192.622133.3%7 W · 14 L+0.8wins+0.04per pick29cpaid-11.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb7f5…c669backed Natus Vincere15c2,853$428 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4284645.7%21 W · 25 L+0.9wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1ab6…078ebacked Natus Vincere16c2,813$450 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$45011955.5%66 W · 53 L+10.3wins+0.09per pick47cpaid+20.2%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x5a28…41edbacked Natus Vincere78c2,600$2,028 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,02821350.7%108 W · 105 L+5.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+0.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x9801…1ab6backed Natus Vincere16c2,449$388 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$388.324436.4%16 W · 28 L-4.9wins-0.11per pick48cpaid-21.1%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x3993…cdedbacked Team Spirit29c2,382$679 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,702.868258.5%48 W · 34 L+5.7wins+0.07per pick52cpaid+15.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x469f…3d4fbacked Natus Vincere18c2,231$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40023546.8%110 W · 125 L+10.7wins+0.05per pick42cpaid0%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x08c2…c023backed Natus Vincere47c2,144$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,00048954.6%267 W · 222 L+23.6wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+3.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x06eb…1a5fbacked Team Spirit73c2,058$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$558.482755.6%15 W · 12 L-2.9wins-0.11per pick66cpaid-17.6%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x1e52…91d6backed Natus Vincere17c1,813$313 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$312.928728.7%25 W · 62 L-8.5wins-0.10per pick38cpaid-38.3%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0xb7b3…9573backed Natus Vincere26c1,629$419 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$418.913027.7%36 W · 94 L-9.3wins-0.07per pick35cpaid-35.3%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x5388…4d5abacked Natus Vincere27c1,600$432 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$43221847.2%103 W · 115 L+16.5wins+0.08per pick40cpaid+16.3%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xcd4b…f8fbbacked Natus Vincere25c1,566$387 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$387.155137.3%19 W · 32 L-1.7wins-0.03per pick41cpaid-14.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Natus Vincere16c1,505$241 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$240.9939936.8%147 W · 252 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick36cpaid+6.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xdb0d…1d6dbacked Natus Vincere4c1,453$56 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$56.07205%1 W · 19 L-0.5wins-0.03per pick8cpaid+150%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x00dd…7faabacked Natus Vincere17c1,415$241 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$240.55450%2 W · 2 L+0.3wins+0.08per pick42cpaid-26.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2765…7ee4backed Natus Vincere12c1,367$170 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$170.0855751.7%288 W · 269 L+16.7wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4010…77d4backed Natus Vincere16c1,300$208 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2081225%3 W · 9 L-3.2wins-0.26per pick51cpaid-63%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x9c82…1f13backed Natus Vincere16c1,300$208 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$207.934445.5%20 W · 24 L-0.5wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-10.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x72aa…90e0backed Natus Vincere15c1,292$199 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$198.7862841.1%258 W · 370 L-17.8wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-18.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xdca4…1c68backed Team Spirit76c1,252$956 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$295.8564149.9%320 W · 321 L+1.1wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xbd1e…ff14backed Team Spirit77c1,221$944 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27711253.6%60 W · 52 L-1.9wins-0.02per pick55cpaid+2%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x1f3f…5878backed Natus Vincere17c1,176$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2008137%30 W · 51 L+2.6wins+0.03per pick34cpaid+5.3%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xd7cf…a603backed Team Spirit77c1,125$863 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$261.676349.2%31 W · 32 L-6.4wins-0.10per pick59cpaid-23.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x5aa9…febebacked Team Spirit80c1,118$891 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$227.2930138.9%117 W · 184 L-20.3wins-0.07per pick46cpaid-32.3%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xa85a…b9fcbacked Natus Vincere16c1,064$170 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$170.061090%9 W · 1 L+3.1wins+0.31per pick59cpaid+46.2%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x93bc…8ca3backed Natus Vincere27c1,000$270 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27089440.3%360 W · 534 L+1.3wins0.00per pick40cpaid-2.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xcdf3…1bb5backed Natus Vincere28c999.98$280 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$279.9928341%116 W · 167 L+4.0wins+0.01per pick40cpaid-1.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf802…d91dbacked Team Spirit74c980$725 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$254.812050.8%61 W · 59 L-2.4wins-0.02per pick53cpaid-5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb78f…3a77backed Team Spirit73c917.62$670 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$247.764264.3%27 W · 15 L+1.8wins+0.04per pick60cpaid+5.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd9a1…9337backed Natus Vincere2c843.22$20 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2010%0 W · 1 L0.0wins-0.02per pick2cpaid-100%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Natus Vincere12c824.66$102 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.5486949%426 W · 443 L-3.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-15%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6857…9f77backed Natus Vincere9c798.64$74 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$743342.4%14 W · 19 L+2.3wins+0.07per pick36cpaid+1.8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x85e2…0980backed Team Spirit76c790.52$600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$190.522944.8%13 W · 16 L-2.3wins-0.08per pick53cpaid-20%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x3bea…3dabbacked Natus Vincere16c787.99$126 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$126.08425%1 W · 3 L-0.9wins-0.22per pick47cpaid-59.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x43f9…f2a3backed Natus Vincere14c726$102 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.6410%0 W · 1 L-0.1wins-0.14per pick14cpaid-100%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5cab…a8cfbacked Team Spirit75c666.67$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$166.6735370%247 W · 106 L+2.1wins+0.01per pick69cpaid+1.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7a78…add7backed Natus Vincere9c640$58 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$57.636442.3%154 W · 210 L-2.4wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-14.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4534…f867backed Natus Vincere20c622.33$122 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$122.3440%0 W · 4 L-0.6wins-0.15per pick15cpaid-100%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd161…4cc1backed Team Spirit73c600$438 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$16280443.9%353 W · 451 L-1.7wins0.00per pick44cpaid-11%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x74ef…1ac6backed Team Spirit77c566.57$437 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$129.5747660.7%289 W · 187 L-0.2wins0.00per pick61cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1228…c4fabacked Natus Vincere6c540$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.4633.3%2 W · 4 L-0.5wins-0.08per pick42cpaid-50.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb9ed…617ebacked Team Spirit73c534.15$390 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$144.222254.5%12 W · 10 L+1.5wins+0.07per pick48cpaid+7.3%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x0f8e…3082backed Team Spirit73c518.34$378 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$140.5416835.7%60 W · 108 L-7.2wins-0.04per pick40cpaid-27.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9942…5c84backed Natus Vincere29c517.24$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15026453%140 W · 124 L+0.2wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8b26…c9afbacked Natus Vincere16c512.5$82 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8214251.4%73 W · 69 L+1.6wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-2.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe50a…b40bbacked Team Spirit72c505.85$364 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$141.641181.8%9 W · 2 L+1.9wins+0.17per pick64cpaid+31.7%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xb116…940abacked Team Spirit70c500$350 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1508950.6%45 W · 44 L-7.3wins-0.08per pick59cpaid-15.7%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x86c8…c867backed Team Spirit22c500$110 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3903850%19 W · 19 L+2.9wins+0.08per pick42cpaid+6.6%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xf243…5fb4backed Natus Vincere29c499.96$145 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$144.994949%24 W · 25 L-1.1wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-16.8%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd5c3…0c52backed Natus Vincere19c457.99$87 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$87.02333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.2wins-0.07per pick40cpaid-50.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2bcf…faddbacked Natus Vincere25c440$110 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$110812.5%1 W · 7 L-2.7wins-0.34per pick46cpaid-75%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked Natus Vincere27c425.93$115 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1151,90147.6%905 W · 996 L+4.6wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Natus Vincere18c423.55$78 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$78.0289749.6%445 W · 452 L+22.4wins+0.02per pick47cpaid-8.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xe42b…7ea9backed Natus Vincere19c399.99$76 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$76.546535.1%163 W · 302 L+22.9wins+0.05per pick30cpaid+18.9%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x3d7d…8484backed Natus Vincere11c397.06$44 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$44520%1 W · 4 L-0.3wins-0.06per pick26cpaid-56%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa72e…3db9backed Natus Vincere25c390$98 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$97.57143.7%31 W · 40 L+2.2wins+0.03per pick40cpaid+15.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xc89d…5909backed Natus Vincere18c385$69 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$69.31838.9%7 W · 11 L-0.9wins-0.05per pick44cpaid-12.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4a05…0329backed Natus Vincere5c382.25$19 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18.733625%9 W · 27 L-3.1wins-0.09per pick34cpaid-39.8%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x0719…c6b9backed Natus Vincere3c360$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.583023.3%7 W · 23 L+1.3wins+0.04per pick19cpaid-16.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xf2ca…b467backed Team Spirit72c333.99$240 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$93.522100%2 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.26per pick74cpaid+34.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4047…7293backed Team Spirit72c321$232 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$88.8316050.6%81 W · 79 L+6.1wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+17.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xe063…8a04backed Natus Vincere5c312.81$16 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15.6410340.8%42 W · 61 L-1.6wins-0.02per pick42cpaid-29.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc302…3157backed Natus Vincere19c310$59 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58.9250%1 W · 1 L+0.6wins+0.31per pick20cpaid+150%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x86e0…c394backed Natus Vincere17c299.98$51 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5180742.6%344 W · 463 L-4.3wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xce24…6239backed Team Spirit73c299.79$220 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$79.945832.8%19 W · 39 L+0.3wins0.00per pick32cpaid-21.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x916c…669abacked Natus Vincere18c298.56$53 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$53.4850%4 W · 4 L+0.8wins+0.10per pick40cpaid+32.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x6a72…f81dbacked Team Spirit79c288.98$229 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$59.961060%6 W · 4 L+0.5wins+0.05per pick55cpaid-14.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xc76b…5fbabacked Team Spirit73c287.69$211 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$76.784845.8%22 W · 26 L-2.5wins-0.05per pick51cpaid-18.7%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xe463…f7b2backed Natus Vincere18c275$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49.520838.9%81 W · 127 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-5.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1f04…5fc4backed Team Spirit73c273.97$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.9731545.4%143 W · 172 L-19.2wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0xd138…7058backed Team Spirit73c273.97$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.9711551.3%59 W · 56 L-3.3wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-12.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7ee8…6c2ebacked Team Spirit75c268.35$201 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.092853.6%15 W · 13 L-2.1wins-0.08per pick61cpaid-7.2%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xd3b1…19bbbacked Team Spirit76c263.37$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$63.374156.1%23 W · 18 L-1.4wins-0.03per pick59cpaid-8.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4ffe…9f71backed Natus Vincere4c259.07$11 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.26169.7%60 W · 556 L-2.0wins0.00per pick10cpaid-53.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6e3e…e3ebbacked Team Spirit79c252.06$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$52.0612061.7%74 W · 46 L-1.8wins-0.01per pick63cpaid+0.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xca81…f2abbacked Team Spirit78c231$181 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50.418748.3%42 W · 45 L+3.5wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+2.2%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Team Spirit75c229.27$172 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$57.1860542.6%258 W · 347 L-14.6wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-7.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x8e29…68e3backed Team Spirit70c214.28$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$64.28850%4 W · 4 L-1.2wins-0.16per pick66cpaid-23%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x58bc…1fdbbacked Team Spirit10c208.49$21 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$187.811931.6%6 W · 13 L+3.9wins+0.20per pick11cpaid+140.6%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x51ec…a7b9backed Natus Vincere15c205.41$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$309423.4%22 W · 72 L+0.3wins0.00per pick23cpaid-11.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0484…4e9ebacked Natus Vincere16c201.34$32 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$32.211741.2%7 W · 10 L-1.3wins-0.08per pick49cpaid+5.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xadaf…aefdbacked Natus Vincere29c200$58 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5813238.6%51 W · 81 L-3.4wins-0.03per pick41cpaid-12.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd202…964dbacked Team Spirit9c200$18 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$182626.5%4 W · 58 L-1.9wins-0.03per pick9cpaid-35.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb82b…3a09backed Team Spirit80c200$159 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4114948.3%72 W · 77 L-5.1wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-3.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x76d4…3ad4backed Team Spirit73c200$146 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$548149.4%40 W · 41 L+0.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-7.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc47f…94b4backed Natus Vincere25c199.99$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50944.4%4 W · 5 L+0.3wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+14.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x83c8…3b6cbacked Team Spirit71c198.59$141 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$57.5991356.1%512 W · 401 L+16.2wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+0.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Dota2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 4 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.