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NBA · resolved market

Spread: Hornets (-18.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Hornetsof Hornets, Grizzlies
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
Polymarket published no figure
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$409,370

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $409,370 TailMyPicks’s own total, because the venue published none.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 174 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x93ab…9723backed Hornets52c173,317$89,408 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$83,908.9760351.4%310 W · 293 L+16.3wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+2.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb45a…192cbacked Grizzlies48c139,272$67,284 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67,284.354539.6%216 W · 329 L-28.2wins-0.05per pick45cpaid-11.5%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xb6ae…4df8backed Hornets52c58,904$30,545 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28,358.611,04447.5%496 W · 548 L-12.8wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-3.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x8f03…64d6backed Hornets52c53,743$27,946 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25,796.521,04651.1%534 W · 512 L-0.7wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x37c1…c53abacked Grizzlies49c32,449$15,757 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15,757.331,91549.3%944 W · 971 L+19.7wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+0.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8cdc…b83fbacked Grizzlies48c20,752$9,961 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9,96120948.8%102 W · 107 L+2.5wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Hornets51c16,624$8,478 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8,145.674,68249.6%2,324 W · 2,358 L+27.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x011c…31dfbacked Grizzlies48c13,750$6,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,60033447.9%160 W · 174 L-6.3wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-3.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc540…f7e5backed Grizzlies48c13,750$6,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,6001741.2%7 W · 10 L-1.4wins-0.08per pick50cpaid-17.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Grizzlies48c12,364$5,923 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,922.629,72249.4%4,805 W · 4,917 L-2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3f5e…e7dbbacked Grizzlies48c12,067$5,792 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,792.0628649.7%142 W · 144 L-8.0wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-3.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa1f3…d99cbacked Grizzlies48c10,833$5,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,20048546.4%225 W · 260 L-14.6wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-6.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xde79…2a1bbacked Grizzlies49c10,071$4,914 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,91417349.7%86 W · 87 L+1.5wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xc51a…a0d9backed Hornets52c8,654$4,475 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,178.7527455.5%152 W · 122 L+15.2wins+0.06per pick50cpaid+9.4%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x7a64…6395backed Grizzlies48c7,640$3,667 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,66730%0 W · 3 L-1.4wins-0.48per pick48cpaid-100%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xdb6f…e420backed Grizzlies48c7,500$3,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,600616.7%1 W · 5 L-1.7wins-0.29per pick45cpaid-63.8%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x144e…eca0backed Grizzlies49c7,143$3,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,5007451.4%38 W · 36 L+1.5wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xe0a2…40d5backed Grizzlies48c6,875$3,300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,30021943.4%95 W · 124 L-12.7wins-0.06per pick49cpaid-11.7%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x6ade…f5b0backed Hornets52c6,000$3,120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,8801,55652.8%822 W · 734 L+40.9wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+10.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0697…fb17backed Grizzlies48c5,833$2,800 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,800850%4 W · 4 L-0.2wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-8.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x975b…3760backed Grizzlies48c5,424$2,615 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,6155547.3%26 W · 29 L-1.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xbb6f…2653backed Grizzlies49c5,306$2,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,60016249.4%80 W · 82 L-0.3wins0.00per pick50cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd106…c79cbacked Grizzlies49c4,488$2,219 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,218.984,78150.5%2,414 W · 2,367 L+20.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x628e…9b9fbacked Grizzlies50c4,113$2,053 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,053366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.5wins+0.17per pick50cpaid+33.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9158…41c1backed Grizzlies49c4,082$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,000366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.2wins+0.07per pick59cpaid+8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8149…abf4backed Grizzlies50c4,000$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,000250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid-2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc949…fa93backed Hornets52c4,000$2,080 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,9208153.1%43 W · 38 L+1.8wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x1aa2…30ccbacked Grizzlies48c3,958$1,900 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,90038946%179 W · 210 L-13.6wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-7.2%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x299f…2140backed Grizzlies48c3,550$1,704 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,704.051,14148%548 W · 593 L+9.0wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x842a…7422backed Hornets52c3,473$1,791 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,682.041,19448.8%583 W · 611 L-22.7wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-4.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8bee…a369backed Grizzlies48c2,917$1,400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,4008148.1%39 W · 42 L-1.4wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-3.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x8724…efccbacked Grizzlies50c2,756$1,377 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,377.5333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.4wins-0.14per pick47cpaid-27.5%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Hornets51c2,000$1,020 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$9802,15351.3%1,105 W · 1,048 L+76.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xd809…6542backed Hornets52c1,761$922 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$838.2171654.1%387 W · 329 L+21.1wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+2.6%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4a86…d3e0backed Grizzlies48c1,740$838 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$838.153,28549.1%1,613 W · 1,672 L+5.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9510…16dfbacked Hornets53c1,688$887 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$801.1130453.3%162 W · 142 L+8.6wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x3a51…b2b6backed Hornets53c1,119$589 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$529.5689853.1%477 W · 421 L+21.4wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+2.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xfcd8…9908backed Hornets52c1,047$542 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$505.3922552.4%118 W · 107 L+5.5wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x10d4…69ebbacked Grizzlies48c1,000$480 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$48062948.6%306 W · 323 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-2.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xf1ad…6979backed Hornets52c954.13$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$454.1357650%288 W · 288 L+1.3wins0.00per pick50cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x2a67…ef6bbacked Hornets52c938.98$493 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$446.3126756.2%150 W · 117 L+12.6wins+0.05per pick51cpaid+7.6%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xf05d…ac5ebacked Hornets51c900$463 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$43725155%138 W · 113 L+9.4wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+5.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc991…abd4backed Hornets53c896.64$471 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$425.6748751.7%252 W · 235 L-1.8wins0.00per pick52cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb1f3…e4a1backed Hornets52c764$397 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$366.722236.4%8 W · 14 L-3.6wins-0.17per pick53cpaid-34.3%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x2302…d6d2backed Hornets51c740.18$377 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$362.691,28650.8%653 W · 633 L+11.2wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x69ac…03e9backed Hornets52c701.03$367 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$334.097948.1%38 W · 41 L-2.4wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-11.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xbb8e…aa15backed Hornets52c611.54$318 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$293.543938.5%15 W · 24 L-5.2wins-0.13per pick52cpaid-30.6%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x4fbc…8a18backed Hornets52c611$318 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$293.284445.5%20 W · 24 L-3.6wins-0.08per pick54cpaid-18.2%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xf1f0…c9e4backed Hornets51c597$304 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$292.5323850.4%120 W · 118 L+1.9wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-2.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2f2b…0f9abacked Hornets52c589$306 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$282.7271449.3%352 W · 362 L+2.0wins0.00per pick49cpaid+0.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xacb6…e3bbbacked Hornets52c576.92$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$276.926266.1%41 W · 21 L+9.0wins+0.14per pick52cpaid+28.7%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0xa917…4e8dbacked Hornets52c576.92$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$276.929845.9%45 W · 53 L-2.3wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-4.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xc308…c3b9backed Hornets53c561.01$295 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$26631354.6%171 W · 142 L+10.2wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x5ba9…4fa1backed Hornets52c530.86$274 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$257.2615353.6%82 W · 71 L+6.4wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x99fb…8ea0backed Grizzlies49c504.08$247 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$247540%2 W · 3 L-0.4wins-0.08per pick48cpaid-16.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x5821…7c51backed Hornets52c484.05$252 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$231.6489048.8%434 W · 456 L-1.6wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4c4c…dc70backed Hornets52c465$240 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$225.4414452.1%75 W · 69 L+5.8wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+4.6%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xa4be…a13dbacked Hornets52c421.15$219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$202.153938.5%15 W · 24 L-4.9wins-0.13per pick51cpaid-26.4%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x0f6d…71b4backed Grizzlies48c416.67$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2003141.9%13 W · 18 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick40cpaid+6.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x682f…3265backed Grizzlies49c408.16$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2001,38954.9%762 W · 627 L+16.7wins+0.01per pick54cpaid+3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x695c…85ddbacked Hornets53c389.85$205 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$184.471855.6%10 W · 8 L+0.8wins+0.05per pick51cpaid+9.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfb51…082dbacked Hornets51c382.63$195 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$187.4958953.7%316 W · 273 L+15.8wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+2.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf469…dcaabacked Hornets51c366.08$187 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$179.3822154.8%121 W · 100 L+9.1wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+5.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xec56…dd09backed Grizzlies48c340$163 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$163.228348.8%138 W · 145 L-3.2wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xefde…6505backed Grizzlies48c338.39$162 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$162.431,56247.4%741 W · 821 L-6.3wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8a0d…82c9backed Hornets51c338$172 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$165.626949.3%34 W · 35 L-1.5wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-5.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb89b…a39dbacked Hornets52c307$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$147.3611453.5%61 W · 53 L+4.2wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+1.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8e58…fb5abacked Hornets52c306$159 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$146.889349.5%46 W · 47 L-2.4wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-9.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x108c…122dbacked Grizzlies48c300$144 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1446134.4%21 W · 40 L-10.1wins-0.16per pick51cpaid-32.9%equal weight37-0.12 edge/pick
0xc2e1…4925backed Hornets53c296.44$156 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$140.4417057.1%97 W · 73 L+8.4wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+7.4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x32e0…a295backed Grizzlies52c289.48$150 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15011261.6%69 W · 43 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick63cpaid-2.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2a9b…7303backed Hornets52c288.46$150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$138.4663447.5%301 W · 333 L-19.8wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-7.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x8c50…2de6backed Hornets52c265$138 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$127.216845.2%76 W · 92 L-7.0wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-10.6%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x94c4…2a41backed Hornets53c264.46$139 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$125.4522953.3%122 W · 107 L+5.4wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x85d8…3cbebacked Grizzlies48c248.58$119 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$119.3229345.7%134 W · 159 L+3.6wins+0.01per pick45cpaid+2.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa028…0031backed Hornets53c247.03$130 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$117.1530654.6%167 W · 139 L+9.6wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9094…dcabbacked Hornets52c243.31$127 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$116.7823655.5%131 W · 105 L+12.4wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+8.8%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xbe02…5fb3backed Hornets52c232.1$122 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$110.5442352.5%222 W · 201 L+5.4wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9c76…c926backed Grizzlies47c215.79$101 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$101.422,65749.6%1,319 W · 1,338 L+42.1wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc03a…d7c4backed Grizzlies48c202.04$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$96.986342.9%27 W · 36 L-5.1wins-0.08per pick51cpaid-16.6%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x3735…3d9dbacked Grizzlies48c200$96 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9610737.4%40 W · 67 L-3.0wins-0.03per pick40cpaid-14.8%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x197a…d3d1backed Hornets50c200$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1008257.3%47 W · 35 L+7.3wins+0.09per pick48cpaid+12.9%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x8c34…2d7dbacked Hornets51c196.08$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$96.0816947.3%80 W · 89 L+0.1wins0.00per pick47cpaid-5.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdae4…f1fcbacked Hornets52c192.31$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$92.3119054.7%104 W · 86 L+7.6wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xd62d…5992backed Hornets53c188.68$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$88.6837852.9%200 W · 178 L+8.9wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+4.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbecc…f560backed Hornets52c187.29$98 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.2725153.8%135 W · 116 L+5.9wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+3.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb92b…cc3fbacked Hornets53c172.46$91 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.63253.1%17 W · 15 L+1.3wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+7.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfbf3…b218backed Grizzlies47c160$75 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$75.229245.5%133 W · 159 L+3.3wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+2.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x88a0…f673backed Hornets52c155$81 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.46653%35 W · 31 L+1.8wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+4.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa2c2…ad6bbacked Hornets52c155$81 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$74.41353.8%7 W · 6 L+0.7wins+0.06per pick48cpaid+10.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa6df…588cbacked Hornets52c154$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.9222351.6%115 W · 108 L+2.5wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+7.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5d24…9c89backed Hornets52c154$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.9218744.4%83 W · 104 L-10.3wins-0.05per pick50cpaid-13.9%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xbd30…c3a0backed Hornets52c153$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$73.444544.4%20 W · 25 L-3.1wins-0.07per pick51cpaid-20.3%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xce3a…2477backed Hornets53c150$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$70.53756.8%21 W · 16 L+0.8wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+2.3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x7b20…62cbbacked Hornets53c146.15$77 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$69.2919659.7%117 W · 79 L+17.5wins+0.09per pick51cpaid+16.5%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Grizzlies47c142.68$67 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67.065,05350.9%2,570 W · 2,483 L+110.9wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x2dc8…47d0backed Hornets51c139$71 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$68.118342.2%35 W · 48 L-3.8wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-14.7%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x0a7c…8964backed Hornets51c138.25$71 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.4580653.6%432 W · 374 L+16.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb996…038cbacked Grizzlies49c136$67 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$66.6413148.9%64 W · 67 L-3.2wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x009b…e769backed Hornets52c123$64 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$59.0412357.7%71 W · 52 L+4.7wins+0.04per pick54cpaid+2.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 19 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.