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Lol · resolved market

LoL: Cloud9 vs Team Liquid (BO3) - LCS Lock In Group Stage

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Cloud9of Cloud9, Team Liquid
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
Lolevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$447,399
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$546,992

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $447,399 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 202 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in Lol is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in Lol
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x8c0b…7aa5backed Team Liquid40c93,500$36,958 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$36,958.241,63040.1%654 W · 976 L+48.3wins+0.03per pick37cpaid-1.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x671f…328cbacked Cloud960c92,000$55,593 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36,407.476040%24 W · 36 L-1.3wins-0.02per pick42cpaid-12.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xc65c…ea39backed Cloud960c38,279$22,928 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15,351.1412759.8%76 W · 51 L+5.7wins+0.04per pick55cpaid+10.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x1341…0853backed Cloud958c26,525$15,271 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11,254.091,82745.6%834 W · 993 L+26.1wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+3.3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xa5ea…d96abacked Team Liquid41c25,115$10,337 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,337.3455955.8%312 W · 247 L+50.8wins+0.09per pick47cpaid+20.5%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0xef26…05babacked Team Liquid41c19,625$8,079 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8,0791,25937.6%473 W · 786 L+34.1wins+0.03per pick35cpaid-1.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x9731…9b35backed Team Liquid39c17,554$6,863 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,862.8915945.3%72 W · 87 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick46cpaid+0.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb76f…8536backed Team Liquid42c13,000$5,440 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,4403138.7%12 W · 19 L-1.3wins-0.04per pick43cpaid-6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x224b…8927backed Team Liquid39c12,762$4,981 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,980.7542050.5%212 W · 208 L+27.9wins+0.07per pick44cpaid+9.6%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xc49f…9e05backed Cloud962c10,487$6,477 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,009.8416454.9%90 W · 74 L+14.9wins+0.09per pick46cpaid+22.3%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0xf163…ca34backed Team Liquid41c10,105$4,177 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,177.21,47748.3%713 W · 764 L+45.1wins+0.03per pick45cpaid+0.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8165…f688backed Cloud960c9,999$6,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,999.7914753.7%79 W · 68 L+0.4wins0.00per pick54cpaid+3.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb8a0…35b6backed Team Liquid40c9,544$3,812 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,812.389745.4%44 W · 53 L+2.1wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-11.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xec98…afcdbacked Cloud946c7,448$3,426 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,022.081,59842.4%677 W · 921 L-17.9wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-14.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5aa9…febebacked Team Liquid30c6,933$2,111 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,110.81,15842.6%493 W · 665 L-23.9wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-20.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Cloud954c6,418$3,454 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,963.8485046%391 W · 459 L-11.0wins-0.01per pick47cpaid-13.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x04bd…39a0backed Team Liquid39c5,481$2,155 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,154.581,22945.1%554 W · 675 L+48.5wins+0.04per pick41cpaid+5.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xfd3f…44f1backed Cloud961c5,419$3,280 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,138.7120249%99 W · 103 L-4.0wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-9.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked Cloud943c4,999$2,154 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,845.795041.6%395 W · 555 L-32.0wins-0.03per pick45cpaid-23.1%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x67b6…00bcbacked Team Liquid41c4,150$1,702 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,701.6749940.7%203 W · 296 L+18.1wins+0.04per pick37cpaid+13.1%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x3257…2f3bbacked Cloud959c4,000$2,360 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,6403063.3%19 W · 11 L+1.6wins+0.05per pick58cpaid-1.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4ffe…9f71backed Team Liquid0c3,950$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11.7889810.7%96 W · 802 L+2.6wins0.00per pick10cpaid-36.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xcec8…f1bdbacked Cloud959c3,597$2,122 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,474.83100%3 W · 0 L+1.1wins+0.37per pick63cpaid+60.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xb4b7…3c8bbacked Team Liquid60c3,470$2,092 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,092.111454.4%62 W · 52 L+4.3wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xbe8c…9e9ebacked Team Liquid33c3,449$1,153 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,153.2317839.3%70 W · 108 L-2.9wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-11%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xe911…3d4ebacked Team Liquid53c3,178$1,675 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,675.492,31139.4%910 W · 1,401 L-83.4wins-0.04per pick43cpaid-20.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x14a0…22bbbacked Cloud964c2,905$1,851 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,054.271,15568.1%786 W · 369 L+35.1wins+0.03per pick65cpaid+3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed Cloud953c2,698$1,441 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,257.281,25838.6%485 W · 773 L-61.8wins-0.05per pick43cpaid-20.8%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x0659…d74dbacked Cloud977c2,618$2,003 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$615.178050%390 W · 390 L+13.3wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+1.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6e12…20e9backed Cloud962c2,432$1,506 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$926.4412035.8%43 W · 77 L-12.6wins-0.11per pick46cpaid-26.5%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x3de6…405cbacked Cloud962c2,129$1,314 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$815.0411245.5%51 W · 61 L-6.3wins-0.06per pick51cpaid-9.5%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x40a5…f0a8backed Cloud960c2,000$1,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8002955.2%16 W · 13 L-0.4wins-0.02per pick57cpaid-13.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd795…6fcdbacked Team Liquid7c2,000$140 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$14031435.7%112 W · 202 L+15.5wins+0.05per pick31cpaid+0.6%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x64e9…eb4cbacked Team Liquid42c2,000$840 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$839.991050%5 W · 5 L+0.2wins+0.02per pick48cpaid-18.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfa60…556cbacked Team Liquid45c1,900$851 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$850.6521848.6%106 W · 112 L+5.6wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+1.3%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x61fa…7f62backed Team Liquid50c1,830$910 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$909.5722462.1%139 W · 85 L+0.4wins0.00per pick62cpaid-2.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x661d…4dc6backed Team Liquid27c1,789$475 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$474.681,02539.6%406 W · 619 L-20.4wins-0.02per pick42cpaid-19.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Team Liquid39c1,728$672 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$671.941,22448.3%591 W · 633 L+26.5wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xce16…d66fbacked Team Liquid40c1,680$669 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$668.6325639.5%101 W · 155 L+5.2wins+0.02per pick37cpaid-4.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x13fa…3facbacked Team Liquid40c1,500$600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$60024529.8%73 W · 172 L-0.9wins0.00per pick30cpaid-0.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3414…067abacked Team Liquid37c1,500$555 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$554.9977131.8%245 W · 526 L+4.1wins+0.01per pick31cpaid-1.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xd295…0fe6backed Cloud979c1,496$1,175 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$320.251361.5%8 W · 5 L-0.3wins-0.02per pick64cpaid-5.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0f8e…3082backed Cloud959c1,494$887 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$606.6922234.7%77 W · 145 L-6.1wins-0.03per pick37cpaid-24.7%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x2cad…eb66backed Cloud977c1,482$1,138 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$344.1348157.6%277 W · 204 L+10.6wins+0.02per pick55cpaid-2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Team Liquid16c1,459$235 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$234.681,59234%541 W · 1,051 L-79.3wins-0.05per pick39cpaid-32.1%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xe550…2c8bbacked Cloud958c1,379$800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$579.3132345.8%148 W · 175 L-11.2wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-11.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x1ab6…078ebacked Cloud958c1,379$800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$579.3134250.6%173 W · 169 L+10.3wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+11.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf70f…3c97backed Team Liquid58c1,206$700 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$70016456.7%93 W · 71 L-3.5wins-0.02per pick59cpaid+4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xed2c…9597backed Cloud960c1,136$681 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$454.2241644.2%184 W · 232 L-9.6wins-0.02per pick47cpaid-11.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x45e1…c872backed Cloud980c1,100$875 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2252441.7%10 W · 14 L-2.2wins-0.09per pick51cpaid-15.4%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xbc67…5286backed Cloud977c1,056$816 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$240.4769756.5%394 W · 303 L+26.1wins+0.04per pick53cpaid-0.3%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe2bb…ea55backed Cloud962c1,030$642 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$388.2418549.7%92 W · 93 L-6.4wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-5.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x93bc…8ca3backed Cloud960c1,000$600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4003,58440.1%1,437 W · 2,147 L+31.1wins+0.01per pick39cpaid-2.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xcea6…67adbacked Cloud960c1,000$600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40028150.5%142 W · 139 L-5.0wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-2.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x34cd…9675backed Cloud938c1,000$380 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6204837.5%18 W · 30 L-2.2wins-0.05per pick42cpaid-20%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe42b…7ea9backed Team Liquid42c999.99$420 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$42046033.9%156 W · 304 L+27.7wins+0.06per pick28cpaid+22%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x653e…bbc0backed Cloud958c975.38$566 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$409.6641133.8%139 W · 272 L-28.7wins-0.07per pick41cpaid-23.1%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0x20b2…f114backed Team Liquid41c974.71$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$399.6827535.3%97 W · 178 L+4.4wins+0.02per pick34cpaid-4.9%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x0c83…72eabacked Team Liquid46c912.58$419 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$419.175032%16 W · 34 L-0.5wins-0.01per pick33cpaid-1.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x40ce…bf90backed Cloud961c900$547 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3531,15156%644 W · 507 L+25.4wins+0.02per pick54cpaid+8.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5bc4…f44fbacked Team Liquid39c800$312 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3124744.7%21 W · 26 L+0.6wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+5.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x8c16…4b37backed Cloud958c796$463 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$333.2818350.8%93 W · 90 L-1.2wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-5.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x17cd…7423backed Cloud960c760.25$456 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$304.142735.4%151 W · 276 L-17.6wins-0.04per pick39cpaid-13.2%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9dd9…08bdbacked Team Liquid21c754$159 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$158.9926940.5%109 W · 160 L+0.1wins0.00per pick40cpaid-16%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6f84…202ebacked Team Liquid56c711.05$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40095847.6%456 W · 502 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid+2.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0d29…6da9backed Cloud977c675.2$518 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$157.4532752.9%173 W · 154 L-6.6wins-0.02per pick55cpaid-6.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4f12…9c18backed Cloud961c583.09$355 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$227.782231.8%7 W · 15 L-4.7wins-0.21per pick53cpaid-48.4%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0x4fb0…3182backed Team Liquid39c531.97$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$209.977754.5%42 W · 35 L+1.0wins+0.01per pick53cpaid+0.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x15f9…607ebacked Cloud962c524$325 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$199.121070%7 W · 3 L+1.0wins+0.10per pick60cpaid+6.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4425…12efbacked Team Liquid40c504.99$201 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$200.5216540.6%67 W · 98 L-1.2wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-10.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbec5…8f77backed Team Liquid42c500$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$21022035.9%79 W · 141 L+6.8wins+0.03per pick33cpaid+4.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x37f8…b5e5backed Team Liquid41c496.15$203 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$202.6454944.4%244 W · 305 L+10.5wins+0.02per pick43cpaid-9.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8479…37f8backed Team Liquid20c495$99 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$99333.3%1 W · 2 L+0.3wins+0.09per pick24cpaid+203%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1f4f…46c2backed Cloud959c490$289 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$200.940347.4%191 W · 212 L-5.0wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-3.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe28b…183ebacked Team Liquid23c470$108 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$108.120%0 W · 2 L-0.9wins-0.45per pick45cpaid-100%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x1b44…d8debacked Team Liquid34c467.27$160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$160.4222636.7%83 W · 143 L-16.3wins-0.07per pick44cpaid-31.6%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xe625…94c0backed Team Liquid44c453$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20074344%327 W · 416 L+0.1wins0.00per pick44cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3c59…3887backed Team Liquid22c449.99$97 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9711129.7%33 W · 78 L-3.0wins-0.03per pick32cpaid-17.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xebff…70e5backed Team Liquid57c440.67$252 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$251.831,07926%281 W · 798 L-99.0wins-0.09per pick35cpaid-46.5%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x0341…a679backed Cloud960c424.17$254 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$169.6719042.1%80 W · 110 L-6.7wins-0.04per pick46cpaid-11.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe202…d282backed Cloud964c395.42$253 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$142.42540%2 W · 3 L-0.3wins-0.07per pick47cpaid-40.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf353…b287backed Team Liquid7c392.59$27 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27.4823915.9%38 W · 201 L+10.3wins+0.04per pick12cpaid+53.2%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xefac…c9a1backed Cloud958c380$220 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$159.621836.7%80 W · 138 L-13.9wins-0.06per pick43cpaid-25.6%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x84f7…ade1backed Cloud958c361$210 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$151.427636.2%100 W · 176 L-6.3wins-0.02per pick39cpaid-19.8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x0df8…3e3dbacked Cloud950c350.76$175 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$176.172763%17 W · 10 L+3.9wins+0.15per pick48cpaid+21.6%equal weight58+0.08 edge/pick
0x99fe…b61cbacked Cloud961c341.27$207 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$133.9936246.4%168 W · 194 L-0.2wins0.00per pick46cpaid-0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4cb9…3783backed Team Liquid39c320$125 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$124.821735.9%78 W · 139 L+4.2wins+0.02per pick34cpaid+0.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x32f0…564cbacked Team Liquid33c312.35$103 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$103.136331.1%113 W · 250 L+0.7wins0.00per pick31cpaid-13.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc0bc…b904backed Team Liquid35c304.4$106 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.099035.6%32 W · 58 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick35cpaid-0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x10b0…8525backed Cloud958c300$175 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1251,79451.1%917 W · 877 L+50.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid+5.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x919d…60e1backed Team Liquid37c300$111 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1115545.5%25 W · 30 L+2.5wins+0.05per pick41cpaid+4.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb9ab…f282backed Cloud960c291.74$175 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$116.71,02952.3%538 W · 491 L+27.2wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+6.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x67cc…942fbacked Cloud960c288.33$173 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$115.3315141.7%63 W · 88 L-9.2wins-0.06per pick48cpaid-18.8%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xdc85…3532backed Cloud975c277.27$208 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$69.321546.7%7 W · 8 L-1.8wins-0.12per pick59cpaid-26.7%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xedbd…9a3bbacked Team Liquid10c273.25$28 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27.596344.4%28 W · 35 L+0.7wins+0.01per pick43cpaid+5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe1fc…bcdfbacked Cloud961c262.49$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$102.731631.3%5 W · 11 L-3.1wins-0.20per pick51cpaid-45.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x3045…8f78backed Cloud977c259.74$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$59.7423253.4%124 W · 108 L-9.1wins-0.04per pick57cpaid-13%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x2fae…5d6dbacked Team Liquid39c256.41$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1004740.4%19 W · 28 L-1.5wins-0.03per pick44cpaid-4.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xebe2…e4d2backed Cloud963c254$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94.216952.2%36 W · 33 L-0.1wins0.00per pick52cpaid+3.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4047…7293backed Team Liquid17c237.36$40 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$40.3323547.7%112 W · 123 L+6.7wins+0.03per pick45cpaid+5.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in Lol and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 3 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.