MLB · resolved market
New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 7.5
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What this market resolved to
- Winning outcome
- Underof Over, Under
- Resolved
- US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
- Scored in
- MLBevery record on this page is that Category’s
- Volume Polymarket published
- $100,450
- Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
- $100,549
Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $100,450 — the venue’s figure.
Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.
Who was on this market
All 78 wallets that hold a qualified pick on this market, biggest position first. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in MLB is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.
| On this market | This wallet’s whole record in MLB | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wallet | Entry | Position | Result | P/L held | Qualified picks | Win rate | vs expected | Realizable edge | Avg entry | ROI per pick | Tail Score |
| 0x3dfb…abafbacked Over | 43c | 66,555$28,816 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$28,816.17 | 1,385 | 49.5%685 W · 700 L | -4.9wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | -2.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5268…135dbacked Under | 64c | 49,660$31,963 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17,697.46 | 11,357 | 52.9%6,003 W · 5,354 L | +209.9wins | +0.02per pick | 51cpaid | -0.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x076d…8d4cbacked Under | 53c | 10,109$5,358 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$4,751.04 | 190 | 51.1%97 W · 93 L | +8.0wins | +0.04per pick | 47cpaid | +21%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xd1ed…d7cbbacked Over | 13c | 9,912$1,240 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$1,240.29 | 4,381 | 44.9%1,966 W · 2,415 L | +77.8wins | +0.02per pick | 43cpaid | -6.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x16bb…8492backed Under | 54c | 5,059$2,732 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$2,327.15 | 865 | 48.7%421 W · 444 L | -8.9wins | -0.01per pick | 50cpaid | -1.3%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xa697…59d5backed Under | 59c | 2,610$1,528 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,081.49 | 6,899 | 50.4%3,478 W · 3,421 L | -7.1wins | 0.00per pick | 51cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5811…0976backed Under | 58c | 2,394$1,389 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$1,005.19 | 1,555 | 48.9%761 W · 794 L | +1.0wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -0.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x39fc…e2f2backed Over | 12c | 2,258$280 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$280 | 3,208 | 51.2%1,642 W · 1,566 L | +146.6wins | +0.05per pick | 47cpaid | +8.6%equal weight | 55+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x21f3…35e3backed Under | 53c | 2,114$1,120 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$993.6 | 1,572 | 48.3%759 W · 813 L | -6.4wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -0.4%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x8efa…894cbacked Over | 39c | 2,046$808 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$808.14 | 454 | 45.2%205 W · 249 L | -8.6wins | -0.02per pick | 47cpaid | -4.1%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x8753…85adbacked Under | 60c | 2,000$1,200 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$800 | 1,909 | 53.5%1,021 W · 888 L | +29.1wins | +0.02per pick | 52cpaid | +3.6%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xd619…c461backed Under | 60c | 1,600$960 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$640 | 644 | 52.2%336 W · 308 L | +26.1wins | +0.04per pick | 48cpaid | +9.8%equal weight | 54+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x4f29…7a7ebacked Under | 79c | 1,472$1,166 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$306.13 | 2,969 | 48.4%1,436 W · 1,533 L | -5.3wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -11.4%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xc34b…9296backed Under | 60c | 1,186$712 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$474.58 | 383 | 53.5%205 W · 178 L | +7.3wins | +0.02per pick | 52cpaid | +3.2%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x4a3f…4333backed Under | 60c | 1,186$712 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$474.57 | 562 | 53.2%299 W · 263 L | +13.2wins | +0.02per pick | 51cpaid | +3.7%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xbca0…9705backed Over | 22c | 1,045$232 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$232.29 | 8,470 | 52.6%4,459 W · 4,011 L | +510.0wins | +0.06per pick | 47cpaid | +5.3%equal weight | 57+0.06 edge/pick |
| 0xf7f0…912cbacked Over | 43c | 1,024$440 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$440.32 | 2,290 | 51%1,167 W · 1,123 L | +23.9wins | +0.01per pick | 50cpaid | +1.7%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xdd5e…9040backed Under | 59c | 962$569 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$393.24 | 1,851 | 53.1%982 W · 869 L | +18.1wins | +0.01per pick | 52cpaid | +1.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x228b…af4cbacked Under | 78c | 954.28$744 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$210.19 | 2,012 | 51.2%1,031 W · 981 L | +43.6wins | +0.02per pick | 49cpaid | -6.7%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9703…69c2backed Under | 53c | 920$488 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$432.4 | 3,453 | 51.2%1,767 W · 1,686 L | +58.1wins | +0.02per pick | 49cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x9b11…5375backed Over | 42c | 697.99$292 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$291.96 | 1,777 | 49.5%880 W · 897 L | +25.6wins | +0.01per pick | 48cpaid | -0.1%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x61f6…e497backed Over | 15c | 597.26$88 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$88.43 | 1,879 | 40.6%763 W · 1,116 L | -39.9wins | -0.02per pick | 43cpaid | -17.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xa3c2…df3dbacked Under | 58c | 594.37$346 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$247.99 | 2,800 | 49.3%1,381 W · 1,419 L | +0.6wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +0.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5b62…d87fbacked Over | 46c | 500$230 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$230 | 1,836 | 50.8%932 W · 904 L | -3.9wins | 0.00per pick | 51cpaid | -0.2%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x842a…7422backed Over | 46c | 500$230 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$230 | 595 | 49.7%296 W · 299 L | -3.6wins | -0.01per pick | 50cpaid | -1.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xc291…5d74backed Over | 42c | 409.2$170 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$170.04 | 2,296 | 49.7%1,141 W · 1,155 L | +37.8wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | +3.8%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x0e50…2609backed Under | 60c | 400$240 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$160 | 877 | 50.4%442 W · 435 L | +12.4wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | +2.6%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0d2d…7ff5backed Under | 60c | 338.66$204 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$135.06 | 8,295 | 47.8%3,966 W · 4,329 L | +72.4wins | +0.01per pick | 47cpaid | -4.3%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x92f5…52a2backed Under | 61c | 301.1$183 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$117.88 | 176 | 47.2%83 W · 93 L | -4.1wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -11.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6d3c…d294backed Over | 42c | 297.81$126 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$125.6 | 5,401 | 50.5%2,726 W · 2,675 L | +17.6wins | 0.00per pick | 50cpaid | +0.8%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5659…7a6bbacked Over | 46c | 276$126 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$125.58 | 546 | 42.5%232 W · 314 L | +7.5wins | +0.01per pick | 41cpaid | +4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x46f8…68ccbacked Over | 42c | 273$116 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$115.98 | 450 | 45.8%206 W · 244 L | -10.9wins | -0.02per pick | 48cpaid | -4.6%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x59b6…307fbacked Under | 60c | 258.33$155 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$103.33 | 812 | 57.3%465 W · 347 L | -1.4wins | 0.00per pick | 57cpaid | -1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x2bfa…8b61backed Under | 59c | 255.45$150 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$105.45 | 183 | 56.8%104 W · 79 L | +3.5wins | +0.02per pick | 55cpaid | +4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xdc41…dd7ebacked Under | 53c | 231$122 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$108.57 | 1,291 | 51%658 W · 633 L | -15.5wins | -0.01per pick | 52cpaid | -2.9%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x2005…75eabacked Under | 74c | 220$163 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$57.5 | 8,086 | 46.1%3,728 W · 4,358 L | +29.9wins | 0.00per pick | 46cpaid | -7.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x5a21…9318backed Over | 6c | 211.76$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.06 | 439 | 54.7%240 W · 199 L | +30.6wins | +0.07per pick | 48cpaid | +13.9%equal weight | 57+0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x43ed…6232backed Under | 61c | 202.05$122 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$79.76 | 182 | 44.5%81 W · 101 L | -14.3wins | -0.08per pick | 52cpaid | -21.8%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x9c5b…ec01backed Under | 53c | 191.89$102 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$90.19 | 220 | 50.5%111 W · 109 L | +3.4wins | +0.02per pick | 49cpaid | +3.1%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x81a9…df08backed Under | 53c | 188$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$88.36 | 99 | 49.5%49 W · 50 L | -1.4wins | -0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0xe6fb…ee11backed Over | 46c | 182$84 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$83.72 | 655 | 49.3%323 W · 332 L | +1.3wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | +2.3%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x95c5…d5d3backed Under | 60c | 166.68$100 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$66.68 | 18 | 44.4%8 W · 10 L | -1.8wins | -0.10per pick | 54cpaid | -21.3%equal weight | 45-0.04 edge/pick |
| 0xe66f…0f3ebacked Over | 45c | 166.67$75 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$75 | 43 | 55.8%24 W · 19 L | +2.3wins | +0.05per pick | 50cpaid | +8%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x8d0c…c90abacked Over | 42c | 134.3$57 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$56.67 | 2,376 | 49.7%1,182 W · 1,194 L | +17.1wins | +0.01per pick | 49cpaid | +1.4%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0547…fb35backed Under | 60c | 133$80 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$53.2 | 736 | 53%390 W · 346 L | +21.6wins | +0.03per pick | 50cpaid | +6.8%equal weight | 53+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xd9fe…db0dbacked Over | 44c | 114.48$50 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$50.13 | 583 | 52.1%304 W · 279 L | +13.7wins | +0.02per pick | 50cpaid | +1.3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x5f43…3a74backed Under | 60c | 110$66 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$44 | 232 | 55.2%128 W · 104 L | +13.2wins | +0.06per pick | 49cpaid | +11.3%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x9696…2bc3backed Under | 62c | 100$62 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$38 | 541 | 46.8%253 W · 288 L | -3.5wins | -0.01per pick | 47cpaid | -1.4%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x56cc…d589backed Under | 63c | 98.31$62 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$36.12 | 1,245 | 56.9%708 W · 537 L | +31.4wins | +0.03per pick | 54cpaid | +1.3%equal weight | 53+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x066f…b576backed Over | 46c | 93$43 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$42.78 | 3,832 | 42.2%1,619 W · 2,213 L | +0.5wins | 0.00per pick | 42cpaid | +0.6%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0x95f5…779fbacked Under | 66c | 90.64$60 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$30.9 | 1,056 | 44.3%468 W · 588 L | -25.9wins | -0.02per pick | 47cpaid | -20.6%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x6b1d…a01abacked Under | 61c | 81.97$50 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$31.97 | 61 | 52.5%32 W · 29 L | -1.8wins | -0.03per pick | 55cpaid | -5.3%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x4a55…a82abacked Under | 53c | 75.47$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$35.47 | 28 | 57.1%16 W · 12 L | +2.8wins | +0.10per pick | 47cpaid | +29.2%equal weight | 56+0.05 edge/pick |
| 0x9eeb…a72cbacked Under | 53c | 74.55$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$35.04 | 32 | 37.5%12 W · 20 L | -3.9wins | -0.12per pick | 50cpaid | -25%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0x49c5…3de7backed Over | 46c | 73.99$34 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$33.73 | 341 | 49.3%168 W · 173 L | -8.1wins | -0.02per pick | 52cpaid | -4.9%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xba5e…153bbacked Over | 44c | 72.01$32 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$32 | 115 | 50.4%58 W · 57 L | +2.3wins | +0.02per pick | 48cpaid | +3%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x2458…bd24backed Under | 60c | 66.67$40 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$26.67 | 22 | 68.2%15 W · 7 L | +0.9wins | +0.04per pick | 64cpaid | +8.1%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x09da…50bcbacked Under | 60c | 60.5$36 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$24.2 | 305 | 54.4%166 W · 139 L | +6.9wins | +0.02per pick | 52cpaid | +3.4%equal weight | 52+0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xb6dd…7af9backed Under | 57c | 58.82$34 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$25.03 | 215 | 47%101 W · 114 L | -8.4wins | -0.04per pick | 51cpaid | -11.7%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa057…d092backed Over | 25c | 52.43$13 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$12.86 | 2,144 | 39.6%849 W · 1,295 L | +0.8wins | 0.00per pick | 40cpaid | -3.5%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd3e7…bf64backed Over | 46c | 50$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$23 | 707 | 44.7%316 W · 391 L | -22.5wins | -0.03per pick | 48cpaid | -6.6%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x089c…33dabacked Over | 46c | 50$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$23 | 68 | 52.9%36 W · 32 L | +1.3wins | +0.02per pick | 51cpaid | +6.9%equal weight | 52+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x8d10…940abacked Over | 47c | 48.02$23 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$22.57 | 1,014 | 47.7%484 W · 530 L | -28.0wins | -0.03per pick | 50cpaid | -5%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xa6db…3155backed Under | 55c | 47.74$26 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.67 | 788 | 54.6%430 W · 358 L | +27.1wins | +0.03per pick | 51cpaid | +6.9%equal weight | 54+0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x5d1f…1e14backed Under | 60c | 47.63$29 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$19.05 | 75 | 65.3%49 W · 26 L | +10.1wins | +0.14per pick | 52cpaid | +25.5%equal weight | 61+0.10 edge/pick |
| 0x5e9e…4a0abacked Under | 53c | 45.28$24 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$21.28 | 22 | 50%11 W · 11 L | -0.3wins | -0.01per pick | 51cpaid | -4.7%equal weight | 49-0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x0448…5a75backed Under | 59c | 42.37$25 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$17.37 | 304 | 46.4%141 W · 163 L | -25.6wins | -0.08per pick | 55cpaid | -15.1%equal weight | 41-0.08 edge/pick |
| 0xdb59…6552backed Under | 54c | 36.36$20 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$16.73 | 37 | 45.9%17 W · 20 L | -1.5wins | -0.04per pick | 50cpaid | -7.2%equal weight | 47-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0xde36…f41cbacked Under | 60c | 35.6$21 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$14.24 | 158 | 41.8%66 W · 92 L | -12.7wins | -0.08per pick | 50cpaid | -15.9%equal weight | 42-0.07 edge/pick |
| 0xfbf7…c485backed Under | 54c | 30$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$13.8 | 63 | 42.9%27 W · 36 L | -3.0wins | -0.05per pick | 48cpaid | -12.9%equal weight | 46-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0xc75b…3ea7backed Over | 42c | 25.78$11 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.95 | 1,195 | 50%597 W · 598 L | +5.5wins | 0.00per pick | 49cpaid | -1.2%equal weight | 510.00 edge/pick |
| 0xe481…d138backed Over | 46c | 25.72$12 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$11.83 | 882 | 47.7%421 W · 461 L | +3.6wins | 0.00per pick | 47cpaid | +2.1%equal weight | 500.00 edge/pick |
| 0xd774…82cdbacked Over | 47c | 21.91$10 in | Lost — open this pick on its own page | -$10.3 | 99 | 45.5%45 W · 54 L | -3.1wins | -0.03per pick | 49cpaid | -3.9%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x4923…a3b7backed Under | 69c | 21.74$15 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.74 | 5 | 80%4 W · 1 L | +1.2wins | +0.24per pick | 56cpaid | +42.9%equal weight | 55+0.04 edge/pick |
| 0x6522…3a5abacked Under | 62c | 20.41$13 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.75 | 11 | 54.5%6 W · 5 L | +0.4wins | +0.04per pick | 51cpaid | -0.9%equal weight | 51+0.01 edge/pick |
| 0x3b4c…b93bbacked Under | 80c | 19.53$16 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$3.91 | 8 | 50%4 W · 4 L | -1.0wins | -0.13per pick | 63cpaid | -23%equal weight | 47-0.03 edge/pick |
| 0x3e1b…aa71backed Under | 60c | 19$11 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$7.6 | 100 | 48%48 W · 52 L | -1.9wins | -0.02per pick | 50cpaid | -3.7%equal weight | 48-0.02 edge/pick |
| 0x87f7…8f45backed Under | 61c | 17.04$10 in | Won — open this pick on its own page | +$6.72 | 464 | 44.4%206 W · 258 L | -18.2wins | -0.04per pick | 48cpaid | -16.4%equal weight | 46-0.04 edge/pick |
Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in MLB and say nothing about this market.
The rest of this event
Polymarket sells these questions together. 13 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 7.5this page
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue JaysNew York Yankees won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: 1st 5 Innings O/U 3.5Under won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: 1st 5 Innings O/U 4.5Under won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 4.5Over won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 5.5Over won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 6.5Over won
- New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue Jays: O/U 8.5Under won
- Spread: New York Yankees (-1.5)Toronto Blue Jays won
- Spread: New York Yankees (-2.5)Toronto Blue Jays won
- Spread: Toronto Blue Jays (-1.5)New York Yankees won
- Spread: Toronto Blue Jays (-2.5)New York Yankees won
- Will there be a run scored in the first inning?: New York Yankees vs. Toronto Blue JaysNo won
Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.
TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.
- The market traded at least $500.
- The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
- The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
- The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.
Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.