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CS2 · resolved market

Counter-Strike: TheMongolz vs paiN - Map 1 Winner

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
TheMongolzof TheMongolz, paiN
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
CS2every record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$756,189
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$846,891

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $756,189 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 234 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in CS2 is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in CS2
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xcd30…f316backed paiN49c120,757$58,977 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$58,977.3412249.2%60 W · 62 L+6.9wins+0.06per pick44cpaid+17.4%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x73e3…1be9backed paiN53c116,451$61,201 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$61,200.9420153.7%108 W · 93 L+9.4wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+9.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked TheMongolz51c100,000$50,550 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$49,4501,71446.7%801 W · 913 L+1.1wins0.00per pick47cpaid-1.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xfe78…0319backed TheMongolz52c45,460$23,826 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$21,634.241,39638.9%543 W · 853 L-41.2wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-29%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4097…9397backed TheMongolz50c20,000$10,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$10,0003551.4%18 W · 17 L+1.4wins+0.04per pick48cpaid-8.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x6e2c…787cbacked paiN26c19,452$4,969 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,968.872644.4%322 W · 404 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-24.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xff80…9b4dbacked paiN17c13,840$2,330 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,329.6132552.6%171 W · 154 L+11.7wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+4.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xadfa…324ebacked TheMongolz51c12,000$6,120 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,88036152.6%190 W · 171 L+13.7wins+0.04per pick49cpaid+8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xde82…705dbacked TheMongolz50c10,000$5,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,0001127.3%3 W · 8 L-1.1wins-0.10per pick37cpaid-39.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x82dc…5700backed TheMongolz52c8,269$4,316 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,953.1587047.9%417 W · 453 L+15.6wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-14%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb6ce…7a7dbacked TheMongolz49c6,996$3,461 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,534.421,25646.7%587 W · 669 L+17.3wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-16%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x10d7…bbf6backed paiN30c5,906$1,776 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,775.5219468.6%133 W · 61 L+25.9wins+0.13per pick55cpaid+12.3%equal weight63+0.12 edge/pick
0x994e…6136backed TheMongolz53c5,772$3,077 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,694.983250%16 W · 16 L-1.2wins-0.04per pick54cpaid-19.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9279…4748backed TheMongolz50c5,601$2,797 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,804.8518557.8%107 W · 78 L+3.9wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+1.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa103…1c14backed paiN44c5,469$2,406 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,406.374650%23 W · 23 L+2.4wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+15.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc922…2618backed TheMongolz51c5,000$2,550 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,45026952.8%142 W · 127 L+12.9wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+12.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x82d2…beeabacked paiN36c4,814$1,714 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,7141,00752.4%528 W · 479 L+27.8wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+3.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x96f7…d6aebacked paiN15c4,459$667 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$667.3522129.9%66 W · 155 L+3.7wins+0.02per pick28cpaid-15%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6dcd…5ef7backed TheMongolz55c4,324$2,371 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,953.4930153.8%162 W · 139 L-1.3wins0.00per pick54cpaid-4.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xec54…e8c1backed TheMongolz49c4,000$1,960 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,04021945.7%100 W · 119 L+8.3wins+0.04per pick42cpaid+8.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xff34…694bbacked TheMongolz52c3,837$1,995 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,841.971,76859.2%1,047 W · 721 L+105.5wins+0.06per pick53cpaid+4.3%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xfdc0…4b85backed TheMongolz52c3,672$1,911 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,761.012,05741.5%853 W · 1,204 L-50.1wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-16.6%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x4905…1683backed TheMongolz72c3,546$2,543 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,002.432450%12 W · 12 L+1.1wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+21.4%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x1610…ae49backed paiN50c3,378$1,689 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,689.0513548.9%66 W · 69 L+8.2wins+0.06per pick43cpaid+5.7%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xdbaf…f5d1backed paiN42c3,194$1,341 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,341.4660434.1%206 W · 398 L-12.2wins-0.02per pick36cpaid-9.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf148…0b4fbacked paiN54c2,778$1,501 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,501.4816946.7%79 W · 90 L+2.4wins+0.01per pick45cpaid-1.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xfaf1…795fbacked TheMongolz51c2,735$1,395 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,340.1529046.9%136 W · 154 L-7.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-8.1%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x0e1b…ecafbacked TheMongolz57c2,655$1,505 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,150.492,32851.1%1,189 W · 1,139 L+92.3wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+1.4%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x22f6…eb09backed paiN43c2,402$1,039 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,038.697844.9%35 W · 43 L0.0wins0.00per pick45cpaid-11.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3881…804ebacked TheMongolz53c2,250$1,200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,0501,47651.8%765 W · 711 L-4.2wins0.00per pick52cpaid+0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xd619…c461backed TheMongolz51c2,200$1,130 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,07027045.9%124 W · 146 L+10.0wins+0.04per pick42cpaid+11.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xa623…a4febacked TheMongolz53c2,110$1,116 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$994.3540253.7%216 W · 186 L+25.1wins+0.06per pick47cpaid+0.1%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xaebf…e1cabacked paiN49c2,033$998 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$997.9335940.4%145 W · 214 L-15.9wins-0.04per pick45cpaid-11.1%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xa557…6e77backed TheMongolz48c1,980$950 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,029.625248.8%123 W · 129 L+6.3wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+0.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x1065…6218backed TheMongolz50c1,852$932 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$919.4848040%192 W · 288 L+8.6wins+0.02per pick38cpaid+5.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xc4fe…601fbacked TheMongolz64c1,836$1,172 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$664.653,41529.3%1,001 W · 2,414 L-275.1wins-0.08per pick37cpaid-43.3%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x0063…2dd2backed paiN43c1,792$762 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$761.8239064.4%251 W · 139 L+47.6wins+0.12per pick52cpaid+10.7%equal weight63+0.11 edge/pick
0x26fe…5a7ebacked TheMongolz49c1,664$815 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$848.64966.7%6 W · 3 L+0.7wins+0.08per pick59cpaid+11.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb4d2…ce99backed paiN5c1,639$85 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$84.532,60830.9%807 W · 1,801 L-103.7wins-0.04per pick35cpaid-29.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x7961…ff64backed paiN61c1,632$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,0001435.7%5 W · 9 L-1.7wins-0.12per pick48cpaid-35.7%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x051c…ca3fbacked TheMongolz37c1,525$566 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$958.0735347.9%169 W · 184 L-12.0wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-9.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xdd88…dadbbacked TheMongolz52c1,502$781 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$720.9664852%337 W · 311 L+10.6wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+4.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd00b…8897backed TheMongolz58c1,379$800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$579.315151%26 W · 25 L+1.3wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-1.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfeb9…95c9backed paiN46c1,269$583 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$583.3554732.2%176 W · 371 L-28.0wins-0.05per pick37cpaid-18%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x8be4…a700backed paiN48c1,256$604 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$604.135253.8%28 W · 24 L-4.1wins-0.08per pick62cpaid-15.7%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x0c99…0c88backed paiN22c1,200$264 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2642,42944.6%1,083 W · 1,346 L-63.9wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-13.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xb875…ac87backed paiN51c1,145$584 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$584.0216949.1%83 W · 86 L+7.7wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+5.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xc865…2f6ebacked paiN46c1,087$500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$500.025425.9%14 W · 40 L-5.4wins-0.10per pick36cpaid-41.1%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x5d7e…2ef7backed TheMongolz45c1,063$477 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$585.6116858.9%99 W · 69 L-1.5wins-0.01per pick60cpaid-5.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5929…4684backed TheMongolz60c1,040$624 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$416.784,04050.9%2,057 W · 1,983 L+71.1wins+0.02per pick49cpaid-6.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xcb9f…345cbacked TheMongolz50c1,020$510 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5102665.4%17 W · 9 L+2.1wins+0.08per pick57cpaid+23.7%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x3885…2cd8backed TheMongolz50c1,000$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50015150.3%76 W · 75 L-3.1wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x568b…4727backed TheMongolz49c990$485 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$504.92864.3%18 W · 10 L+2.5wins+0.09per pick55cpaid+21.1%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0xf897…8453backed TheMongolz80c975.79$780 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$195.791330.8%4 W · 9 L-2.3wins-0.17per pick48cpaid-49.1%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xed03…1caabacked TheMongolz50c950$479 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$471.387549.3%37 W · 38 L+2.6wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+1.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xa9ca…6a8bbacked TheMongolz55c920$506 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$41475145.4%341 W · 410 L-22.3wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-6.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x3aa5…cd80backed TheMongolz50c915$458 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$457.5333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.2wins-0.08per pick41cpaid-33.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf11e…3bc1backed TheMongolz44c828$364 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$463.684949%24 W · 25 L-1.3wins-0.03per pick52cpaid+7.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xb9b2…8e7dbacked TheMongolz55c802.14$438 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$364.1614247.2%67 W · 75 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick48cpaid+1.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf1ee…519cbacked paiN38c800$305 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$305.353,16545.7%1,446 W · 1,719 L-74.6wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-15.7%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x7069…325bbacked paiN49c799.99$392 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$39294445.7%431 W · 513 L+17.8wins+0.02per pick44cpaid+6.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdbdd…a5debacked TheMongolz51c751.74$382 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$369.887,89250.5%3,983 W · 3,909 L+182.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid-2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x6277…5a3fbacked TheMongolz56c751.11$424 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$327.1163341.9%265 W · 368 L+9.9wins+0.02per pick40cpaid+4.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9572…efffbacked paiN49c725.12$359 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$358.5422241.4%92 W · 130 L-5.3wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-16.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x51db…f9b3backed paiN49c715.36$352 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$352.116,46642.9%2,777 W · 3,689 L-78.0wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-21.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2a8c…fd3dbacked TheMongolz80c703.13$560 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$143.1352837.1%196 W · 332 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick36cpaid-3.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6401…f240backed paiN52c652$339 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$339.0435054.6%191 W · 159 L+17.3wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+16.4%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x547f…2937backed paiN50c650.77$325 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$325.391338.5%5 W · 8 L-2.2wins-0.17per pick56cpaid-33.7%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xad1f…7f94backed paiN43c641.84$276 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$275.994833.3%16 W · 32 L-1.5wins-0.03per pick36cpaid-18.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x6407…d360backed TheMongolz48c625$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32531744.8%142 W · 175 L-0.8wins0.00per pick45cpaid+0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x258b…e840backed paiN49c612.24$300 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30030%0 W · 3 L-1.4wins-0.45per pick45cpaid-100%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x77ac…1bf6backed paiN67c591.78$396 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$396.4927961.3%171 W · 108 L+12.6wins+0.05per pick57cpaid+4.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x1bcd…0a69backed paiN52c544.17$283 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$282.979047.8%43 W · 47 L-4.6wins-0.05per pick53cpaid-12.7%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xf4f8…5bf1backed paiN12c529$64 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$64.431,30326.5%345 W · 958 L-89.1wins-0.07per pick33cpaid-29.1%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0x9369…a94cbacked TheMongolz58c517.24$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$217.242944.8%13 W · 16 L-0.5wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-15.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf7f0…912cbacked TheMongolz51c512$259 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$253.4427753.8%149 W · 128 L+9.4wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+11.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x076d…8d4cbacked TheMongolz58c511.27$296 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$214.8448548.7%236 W · 249 L-5.4wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-5.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x9ab3…3044backed paiN34c500$169 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$168.781,06242.2%448 W · 614 L-11.6wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-7.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xfbaf…2a03backed TheMongolz49c500$245 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25511341.6%47 W · 66 L+5.5wins+0.05per pick37cpaid-2.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x9b96…4389backed paiN63c500$315 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31537057.3%212 W · 158 L-16.4wins-0.04per pick62cpaid-8.9%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x8935…7daabacked paiN42c497.63$210 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$209.622,59947.8%1,242 W · 1,357 L-30.4wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-10%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe907…cff6backed TheMongolz50c488.9$245 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$244.072,30945.1%1,041 W · 1,268 L-62.6wins-0.03per pick48cpaid-16.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x584f…54b9backed TheMongolz52c476.4$246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$230.6712259%72 W · 50 L-1.1wins-0.01per pick60cpaid+0.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5b62…d87fbacked TheMongolz54c465.83$252 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$214.2839548.6%192 W · 203 L+4.9wins+0.01per pick47cpaid+1.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x177e…c244backed paiN43c463.99$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$199.5216633.7%56 W · 110 L-5.9wins-0.04per pick37cpaid-10.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc011…0a62backed paiN22c454.55$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10016354%88 W · 75 L-2.6wins-0.02per pick56cpaid-7.7%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x7f88…c6e8backed TheMongolz53c451.8$238 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$213.989033.3%30 W · 60 L-3.7wins-0.04per pick37cpaid-21%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x609d…3fa9backed TheMongolz79c445.57$352 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$93.579963.6%63 W · 36 L+4.4wins+0.04per pick59cpaid+4.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xa533…acacbacked paiN46c434.78$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20023658.5%138 W · 98 L+1.4wins+0.01per pick58cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xc51f…5dc6backed paiN46c434.78$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20013454.5%73 W · 61 L-3.3wins-0.02per pick57cpaid-6.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xe911…3d4ebacked paiN25c418$103 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$103.052,77037.4%1,036 W · 1,734 L-139.7wins-0.05per pick42cpaid-20.7%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x6983…88c3backed TheMongolz73c405.48$296 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$109.4814443.1%62 W · 82 L+2.7wins+0.02per pick41cpaid-0.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xe203…1b53backed TheMongolz50c400$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20035244.6%157 W · 195 L-1.9wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-2.5%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x1522…70febacked paiN23c400$90 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9036346%167 W · 196 L+7.9wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-5.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xb7c0…f389backed paiN32c400$128 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1286333.3%21 W · 42 L+0.7wins+0.01per pick32cpaid-13.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x9f93…a687backed TheMongolz51c400$204 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1966055%33 W · 27 L-2.0wins-0.03per pick58cpaid-5%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x5453…a834backed paiN63c398.08$251 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$250.7931654.7%173 W · 143 L+9.2wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+12.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc6e0…413fbacked paiN51c392.16$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2003951.3%20 W · 19 L-4.9wins-0.13per pick64cpaid-22.2%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x521f…3344backed paiN52c384.62$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2006347.6%30 W · 33 L-6.2wins-0.10per pick57cpaid-24.6%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x61a8…1ad4backed paiN48c380.96$182 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$182.083327.3%9 W · 24 L-1.5wins-0.05per pick32cpaid-17.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in CS2 and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 7 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.