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NFL · resolved market

Chiefs vs. Giants

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Chiefsof Chiefs, Giants
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NFLevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$3,267,791
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$3,424,953

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $3,267,791 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 570 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NFL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NFL
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x83b9…6124backed Giants26c426,786$112,533 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$112,533.4222950.2%115 W · 114 L+9.5wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+8%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe73e…74febacked Chiefs75c398,658$298,538 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$100,119.955648.2%27 W · 29 L-0.5wins-0.01per pick49cpaid+5.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x3cda…6e17backed Giants26c342,132$87,824 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$87,823.7512352.8%65 W · 58 L+4.1wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+6.3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xed88…f3c4backed Chiefs73c330,000$240,600 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89,399.998344.6%37 W · 46 L-3.6wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-9.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x3672…edbdbacked Chiefs77c231,367$178,735 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$52,632.274250%21 W · 21 L-5.5wins-0.13per pick63cpaid-23.5%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x9ec2…69fdbacked Chiefs75c161,734$121,398 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40,335.8711755.6%65 W · 52 L-2.2wins-0.02per pick57cpaid-5.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2f09…4632backed Giants26c121,280$31,746 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$31,745.5413843.5%60 W · 78 L-4.7wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-8.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5375…aeeabacked Chiefs74c107,661$79,827 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$27,833.0247738.6%184 W · 293 L-6.8wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-12.2%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xdf2e…ddecbacked Giants26c106,244$27,296 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27,296.1722548.4%109 W · 116 L+5.2wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7fb7…e33dbacked Giants25c101,037$25,639 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25,638.7541851.9%217 W · 201 L+13.1wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+5.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc2ae…2a5fbacked Giants27c100,000$27,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$27,0003745.9%17 W · 20 L-1.9wins-0.05per pick51cpaid+3.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xe38e…c29dbacked Chiefs73c66,241$48,356 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17,885.1710566.7%70 W · 35 L+12.6wins+0.12per pick55cpaid+19.3%equal weight61+0.10 edge/pick
0x2fe6…ab9dbacked Giants22c61,910$13,863 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13,86320634.5%71 W · 135 L-0.2wins0.00per pick35cpaid-24.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6a72…33eebacked Giants22c51,715$11,628 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,628.130043.7%131 W · 169 L-4.4wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-15.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2d0f…4faabacked Giants25c49,939$12,611 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,611.2714351%73 W · 70 L+8.4wins+0.06per pick45cpaid+4.5%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xcbf5…6638backed Giants21c48,151$10,065 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,065.4511637.9%44 W · 72 L+1.5wins+0.01per pick37cpaid+3.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x759b…2ab3backed Giants28c47,469$13,109 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$13,108.582259.1%13 W · 9 L+4.4wins+0.20per pick39cpaid+246.5%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x88a1…ad45backed Giants27c47,000$12,690 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,6901435.7%5 W · 9 L-0.4wins-0.03per pick38cpaid+6.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x5139…a8dbbacked Giants27c43,739$11,813 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,813.1444652.9%236 W · 210 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick52cpaid+1.3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3d46…ef86backed Chiefs74c43,101$31,895 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$11,206.33100%3 W · 0 L+0.9wins+0.30per pick70cpaid+45.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x5d9d…02c7backed Giants27c41,597$11,130 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,129.751154.5%6 W · 5 L-0.2wins-0.02per pick56cpaid-12.8%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x3a61…b560backed Giants17c41,109$6,899 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,898.996245.2%28 W · 34 L-3.0wins-0.05per pick50cpaid-24.6%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xafba…e61bbacked Chiefs73c40,010$29,207 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$10,802.717454.6%95 W · 79 L+8.9wins+0.05per pick49cpaid+12.4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x88a2…d974backed Giants27c26,711$7,212 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,21213142%55 W · 76 L+2.2wins+0.02per pick40cpaid+0.3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xc58d…9373backed Giants27c20,764$5,606 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,606.239245.7%42 W · 50 L+1.5wins+0.02per pick44cpaid+2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x3349…c0b8backed Chiefs74c20,000$14,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,2004264.3%27 W · 15 L+1.6wins+0.04per pick61cpaid+2.9%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x31c5…ede4backed Giants26c19,999$5,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,199.8716545.5%75 W · 90 L+4.2wins+0.03per pick43cpaid+12.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Giants26c19,973$5,143 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,142.8483147.8%397 W · 434 L+13.7wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4cc3…7552backed Giants24c19,220$4,552 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,551.6825137.5%94 W · 157 L-18.6wins-0.07per pick45cpaid-22.1%equal weight43-0.07 edge/pick
0xebc0…fa41backed Giants2c18,963$379 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$379.2610462.5%65 W · 39 L+9.5wins+0.09per pick53cpaid+45.4%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Giants26c17,015$4,424 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,423.9753348.4%258 W · 275 L+1.7wins0.00per pick48cpaid+1.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xb412…3026backed Giants26c16,000$4,160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,1601942.1%8 W · 11 L-2.1wins-0.11per pick53cpaid-17.6%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0x134a…9e42backed Chiefs77c15,927$12,246 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,681.433633.3%12 W · 24 L-2.8wins-0.08per pick41cpaid-42.5%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xb786…b18dbacked Chiefs75c15,529$11,628 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,901.8831848.1%153 W · 165 L+5.8wins+0.02per pick46cpaid-2.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbde5…9c38backed Giants26c14,064$3,610 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,609.730743.6%134 W · 173 L-1.2wins0.00per pick44cpaid-5.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa613…d494backed Chiefs74c14,000$10,360 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,6408856.8%50 W · 38 L+1.2wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+3.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe4b1…a75ebacked Chiefs75c13,338$10,004 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,334.545527.3%15 W · 40 L-6.2wins-0.11per pick39cpaid-38.7%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xee00…cea1backed Chiefs73c13,303$9,711 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,591.739445.7%43 W · 51 L-3.2wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-11.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4e25…d7a7backed Giants27c12,563$3,332 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,331.8813430.6%41 W · 93 L-12.1wins-0.09per pick40cpaid-39%equal weight42-0.08 edge/pick
0x445e…9be0backed Chiefs73c11,000$8,015 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,984.6626650.8%135 W · 131 L+1.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid-4.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x27f2…702cbacked Chiefs74c10,716$7,960 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,755.649359.1%55 W · 38 L-6.8wins-0.07per pick67cpaid-12.4%equal weight44-0.06 edge/pick
0x03f7…c0ccbacked Giants2c10,551$160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$159.927456.8%42 W · 32 L+6.9wins+0.09per pick47cpaid+20.5%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x5137…1556backed Giants26c10,334$2,679 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,678.5483447.1%393 W · 441 L+9.0wins+0.01per pick46cpaid+1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe965…6559backed Chiefs74c10,031$7,423 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,607.996149.2%30 W · 31 L-3.5wins-0.06per pick55cpaid-14.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x14b8…1235backed Chiefs74c10,023$7,417 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,606560%3 W · 2 L-0.2wins-0.05per pick65cpaid-14.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4dbe…af34backed Chiefs73c10,000$7,300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,699.998959.6%53 W · 36 L+7.4wins+0.08per pick51cpaid+20.6%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0xea3e…b956backed Chiefs72c10,000$7,150 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,849.9724351.4%125 W · 118 L+1.8wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-11.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Chiefs75c9,890$7,383 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,507.5327348.7%133 W · 140 L-1.6wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-7.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x781c…db68backed Chiefs77c8,709$6,702 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,007.4168446.1%315 W · 369 L+16.9wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-6.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x773c…cf18backed Chiefs73c8,347$6,094 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,253.812828.6%8 W · 20 L-7.0wins-0.25per pick54cpaid-48%equal weight35-0.13 edge/pick
0x7678…e5f0backed Giants27c8,000$2,160 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,1602025%5 W · 15 L-3.0wins-0.15per pick40cpaid-40.4%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xd267…9dc6backed Giants28c7,350$2,058 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,0585837.9%22 W · 36 L+1.7wins+0.03per pick35cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdc5b…5b15backed Giants26c7,000$1,820 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,819.9810552.4%55 W · 50 L+3.6wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+10.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xc6ab…5eb9backed Chiefs74c6,757$5,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,756.763773%27 W · 10 L+1.9wins+0.05per pick68cpaid+10.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x5482…b6eebacked Giants0c6,652$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30.121128%9 W · 103 L+4.1wins+0.04per pick4cpaid+413.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x6b7c…5f83backed Chiefs77c6,585$5,095 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,489.9427644.2%122 W · 154 L-7.6wins-0.03per pick47cpaid-13%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x8fd9…544abacked Chiefs74c6,081$4,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,581.081100%1 W · 0 L+0.3wins+0.26per pick74cpaid+35.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6f8b…01aabacked Giants27c5,704$1,540 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,5408343.4%36 W · 47 L+7.7wins+0.09per pick34cpaid+24%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xb511…dedfbacked Giants31c5,496$1,712 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,712.262347.8%11 W · 12 L0.0wins0.00per pick48cpaid+2.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x27c5…49cbbacked Chiefs73c5,479$4,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,479.45250%1 W · 1 L-0.5wins-0.23per pick73cpaid-31.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xa6a8…5009backed Giants11c5,081$570 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$569.8460049.3%296 W · 304 L+21.0wins+0.04per pick46cpaid+3.8%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0x64b5…7543backed Giants25c5,000$1,250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,25014342%60 W · 83 L+6.9wins+0.05per pick37cpaid+10.3%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x067f…e041backed Giants27c5,000$1,350 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,349.9918435.9%66 W · 118 L-4.2wins-0.02per pick38cpaid+1.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4a1e…86d3backed Giants28c4,793$1,342 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,342.1613450%67 W · 67 L-1.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xea64…f2a2backed Giants25c4,304$1,076 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,075.9224551%125 W · 120 L+2.4wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+3%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x305e…7d29backed Giants28c4,186$1,170 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,170.422552%13 W · 12 L+3.3wins+0.13per pick39cpaid+54.6%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0xdd8e…f023backed Chiefs73c4,130$3,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,130.0512249.2%60 W · 62 L-2.1wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-15.5%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xae0f…f647backed Chiefs73c4,110$3,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,109.5911252.7%59 W · 53 L+8.0wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+18.1%equal weight56+0.06 edge/pick
0x7a8b…b1c8backed Giants24c4,094$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,00014445.8%66 W · 78 L-4.4wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-9.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x2b51…e165backed Chiefs74c4,000$2,940 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,06030446.7%142 W · 162 L-6.2wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-10.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4602…3315backed Chiefs73c4,000$2,920 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,0802951.7%15 W · 14 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick53cpaid+4.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xae76…dce5backed Giants27c3,994$1,080 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,080.0527339.2%107 W · 166 L-13.1wins-0.05per pick44cpaid-14.6%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xcf6c…7e66backed Giants28c3,925$1,107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,107.4314349%70 W · 73 L-0.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-11.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe7ca…a175backed Giants27c3,704$1,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,00025744.4%114 W · 143 L+0.3wins0.00per pick44cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x65f8…8c03backed Giants27c3,673$992 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$991.7920%0 W · 2 L-0.8wins-0.40per pick40cpaid-100%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x91b0…f0b6backed Chiefs74c3,530$2,612 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$917.82250%11 W · 11 L-0.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid+5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7aa3…5154backed Chiefs73c3,407$2,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$906.592133.3%7 W · 14 L-1.7wins-0.08per pick41cpaid-27%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x439b…2c9abacked Chiefs78c3,300$2,574 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7261866.7%12 W · 6 L+0.4wins+0.02per pick65cpaid+3.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa501…9f0fbacked Giants25c3,075$784 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$784.025641.1%23 W · 33 L+2.2wins+0.04per pick37cpaid-17.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x226b…cad6backed Giants26c3,000$790 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$79023937.7%90 W · 149 L-9.3wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-7.8%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x9731…9b35backed Chiefs74c3,000$2,220 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$78054451.7%281 W · 263 L+7.6wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbb2f…eca9backed Giants26c3,000$780 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$78017348%83 W · 90 L+2.8wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+1.6%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x5fc8…39efbacked Chiefs73c3,000$2,190 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81014248.6%69 W · 73 L-2.0wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-6.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xacdf…0ec4backed Chiefs74c2,966$2,195 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$771.121877.8%14 W · 4 L+2.0wins+0.11per pick67cpaid+23.3%equal weight55+0.05 edge/pick
0x4762…ba70backed Chiefs74c2,930$2,168 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$761.877346.6%34 W · 39 L-2.5wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-6.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x7f65…d7aebacked Giants24c2,888$707 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$707.254129.3%12 W · 29 L-5.4wins-0.13per pick42cpaid-42%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0x2a7d…0a62backed Chiefs74c2,703$2,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$702.73056.7%17 W · 13 L-2.4wins-0.08per pick65cpaid-15.7%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0xc864…97dfbacked Giants28c2,534$709 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$709.422548%12 W · 13 L+2.1wins+0.09per pick39cpaid+31.2%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x6dd3…f7d3backed Giants27c2,533$684 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$684.031643.8%7 W · 9 L+0.7wins+0.04per pick39cpaid+23.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3f89…0d03backed Giants21c2,527$525 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5255330.2%16 W · 37 L-8.5wins-0.16per pick46cpaid-36.6%equal weight38-0.11 edge/pick
0x011f…1122backed Giants27c2,500$675 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$67514926.2%39 W · 110 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick27cpaid-34.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa815…a3c3backed Chiefs74c2,500$1,850 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$6503464.7%22 W · 12 L0.0wins0.00per pick65cpaid-5.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x21b4…e064backed Chiefs74c2,402$1,778 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$624.553256.3%18 W · 14 L-1.1wins-0.04per pick60cpaid-5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8996…fbcebacked Giants27c2,371$646 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$645.679732%31 W · 66 L-2.4wins-0.02per pick34cpaid-24%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x561f…a932backed Giants25c2,367$595 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$594.6633.3%2 W · 4 L+0.2wins+0.03per pick30cpaid-16.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x2005…75eabacked Giants18c2,325$419 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$418.9550242.4%213 W · 289 L-5.6wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-10.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x11d7…52e1backed Chiefs74c2,300$1,714 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$586.827755.8%43 W · 34 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick55cpaid+2.9%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x10b0…8525backed Giants27c2,300$631 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$630.9923647%111 W · 125 L-3.8wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-3.3%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xd62b…86d0backed Chiefs74c2,236$1,655 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$581.496050%30 W · 30 L-1.3wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-8.1%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0x66f3…2252backed Giants26c2,106$548 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$547.54633.3%2 W · 4 L-0.7wins-0.12per pick45cpaid-31.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NFL and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 10 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.