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NBA · resolved market

Spread: Pistons (-14.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Netsof Pistons, Nets
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
Polymarket published no figure
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$509,166

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $509,166 TailMyPicks’s own total, because the venue published none.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 182 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xead1…c76abacked Nets54c72,561$38,936 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$33,624.922,04548.4%990 W · 1,055 L-30.3wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-3.4%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xf668…5c69backed Nets52c68,518$35,803 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32,714.5636359.8%217 W · 146 L+23.7wins+0.07per pick53cpaid+14.8%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x93ab…9723backed Pistons48c54,000$25,920 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25,92060351.4%310 W · 293 L+16.3wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+2.4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb6ae…4df8backed Pistons48c53,963$25,892 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$25,891.761,04447.5%496 W · 548 L-12.8wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-3.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x8a6c…0b3fbacked Nets55c45,025$24,764 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$20,261.4536549.6%181 W · 184 L-1.8wins0.00per pick50cpaid-3%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0x8f03…64d6backed Nets53c32,595$17,303 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15,292.111,04651.1%534 W · 512 L-0.7wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Pistons46c24,355$11,195 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$11,194.574,68249.6%2,324 W · 2,358 L+27.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xdc87…7ab6backed Pistons47c23,015$10,916 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10,915.722,66648%1,279 W · 1,387 L-8.2wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x842a…7422backed Pistons47c19,113$9,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$9,0001,19448.8%583 W · 611 L-22.7wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-4.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4337…8882backed Pistons46c18,888$8,688 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8,688.4715952.2%83 W · 76 L+9.2wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+12.5%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Nets55c15,684$8,614 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,070.612,15351.3%1,105 W · 1,048 L+76.7wins+0.04per pick48cpaid+6.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xafba…e61bbacked Nets54c12,513$6,757 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$5,756.1847848.1%230 W · 248 L-9.9wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-4.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4408…1b6abacked Pistons46c10,864$4,998 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,997.587653.9%41 W · 35 L+6.4wins+0.08per pick45cpaid+17.7%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Nets54c10,468$5,614 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,853.59,72249.4%4,805 W · 4,917 L-2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x906f…88b4backed Nets52c9,577$4,980 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,596.7622453.1%119 W · 105 L+7.6wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+5.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xada5…db70backed Nets53c8,592$4,517 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$4,075.1451354.2%278 W · 235 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd106…c79cbacked Nets53c8,015$4,257 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,757.134,78150.5%2,414 W · 2,367 L+20.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x9fad…5a9fbacked Pistons49c7,777$3,811 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,810.731,82052.1%948 W · 872 L+48.5wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+4.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x00d5…ed84backed Nets52c7,547$3,924 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,622.5617050%85 W · 85 L+3.0wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+4.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xaf75…d56abacked Nets54c7,407$4,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,407.41333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.6wins-0.19per pick53cpaid-38.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x4df3…788fbacked Nets52c7,142$3,732 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,410.036,21350.6%3,142 W · 3,071 L+53.8wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Nets45c6,607$2,940 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,666.768,98847.5%4,268 W · 4,720 L+96.4wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x1455…e5cdbacked Nets52c6,345$3,299 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,045.61,90854.5%1,040 W · 868 L+53.7wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+5.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x351e…de8abacked Pistons46c5,576$2,565 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,564.9537747.5%179 W · 198 L-3.1wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4924…3782backed Pistons46c5,338$2,455 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,455.1287451.5%450 W · 424 L+15.8wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+3.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8ff3…1aa9backed Nets51c5,086$2,594 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,492.1419645.9%90 W · 106 L-4.0wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-5.5%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x161a…4103backed Nets54c5,004$2,702 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,301.842,46850.5%1,247 W · 1,221 L+38.4wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+0.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x6d3c…d294backed Nets53c4,766$2,520 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,246.24,32547%2,031 W · 2,294 L-69.5wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd6a3…9489backed Pistons42c4,743$1,992 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,992.24,87848%2,341 W · 2,537 L+61.9wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7298…fe8dbacked Pistons45c4,400$1,980 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,979.9965750.1%329 W · 328 L+10.8wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+2.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf19d…276fbacked Nets54c4,083$2,205 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,878.1623147.6%110 W · 121 L-2.0wins-0.01per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2b12…43c8backed Pistons65c3,579$2,316 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,316.033441.2%14 W · 20 L+1.4wins+0.04per pick37cpaid-5.8%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x2c86…d939backed Nets51c3,529$1,800 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,729.55655.4%31 W · 25 L+4.4wins+0.08per pick47cpaid+9.8%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x8753…85adbacked Nets54c3,480$1,879 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,600.864651.7%334 W · 312 L-14.9wins-0.02per pick54cpaid-4.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9870…b9d3backed Pistons46c3,261$1,500 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,50056453.9%304 W · 260 L+6.7wins+0.01per pick53cpaid+0.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x78ad…45ccbacked Nets54c2,800$1,512 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,2888361.4%51 W · 32 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick60cpaid+3.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe911…3d4ebacked Nets56c2,796$1,579 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,216.961,20051.6%619 W · 581 L+66.5wins+0.06per pick46cpaid+4.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x5487…a014backed Pistons45c2,256$1,015 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,015.21,66752.7%878 W · 789 L+45.5wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+3.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x4a86…d3e0backed Pistons47c2,178$1,020 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,020.23,28549.1%1,613 W · 1,672 L+5.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x5bf6…5200backed Nets54c2,174$1,174 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,000.556055%33 W · 27 L+3.0wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+8.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xce39…04d6backed Pistons45c2,049$922 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$922.1437842.9%162 W · 216 L-5.6wins-0.01per pick44cpaid-1.6%equal weight48-0.01 edge/pick
0xae82…faf0backed Nets55c2,000$1,090 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$909.9915849.4%78 W · 80 L-3.5wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xccf1…25a0backed Pistons53c2,000$1,065 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,064.791,52249.6%755 W · 767 L+27.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3280…ea74backed Nets52c1,923$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$923.089531.6%30 W · 65 L-11.6wins-0.12per pick44cpaid-26.2%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0x0c84…a8edbacked Pistons46c1,848$850 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85034854%188 W · 160 L+15.4wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+8.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xa965…3565backed Pistons43c1,500$650 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6501,91145.4%868 W · 1,043 L+22.1wins+0.01per pick44cpaid+3.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6e82…752cbacked Nets55c1,263$694 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$568.471,20455.3%666 W · 538 L+52.0wins+0.04per pick51cpaid+12.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x733d…1ae7backed Nets54c1,000$540 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$46019147.6%91 W · 100 L+6.9wins+0.04per pick44cpaid+0.4%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xc5b5…7e80backed Nets53c965.2$516 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$449.141,05549.9%526 W · 529 L+29.7wins+0.03per pick47cpaid-3%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x6b7c…5f83backed Pistons46c906.49$417 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$416.993,34243.4%1,450 W · 1,892 L+81.2wins+0.02per pick41cpaid-0.5%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x128f…db9dbacked Pistons67c900$604 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$603.920651.5%106 W · 100 L+3.3wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+9.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x691a…d113backed Pistons46c887$408 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$408.0254443%234 W · 310 L-18.0wins-0.03per pick46cpaid-11.5%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x5aa9…febebacked Nets55c860.64$476 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$384.51,09640.9%448 W · 648 L+34.3wins+0.03per pick38cpaid-17%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x64db…325bbacked Pistons50c805.53$400 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4001,25948.7%613 W · 646 L+1.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x69ff…0d1dbacked Nets54c800$432 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36833146.2%153 W · 178 L-7.3wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-7.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5966…af5dbacked Pistons50c700$350 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$35031354.3%170 W · 143 L+4.8wins+0.02per pick53cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x781c…db68backed Nets53c696.47$370 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$326.491,38439.4%545 W · 839 L+4.8wins0.00per pick39cpaid-21.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x339a…1eaebacked Nets50c637.56$319 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$318.781,75961.7%1,085 W · 674 L+127.5wins+0.07per pick54cpaid+12.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x0a7c…8964backed Nets55c559.28$308 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$251.6880653.6%432 W · 374 L+16.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9510…16dfbacked Pistons49c529.57$259 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$259.0230453.3%162 W · 142 L+8.6wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xabde…d41fbacked Pistons48c505.05$242 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$242.4241947.7%200 W · 219 L-4.1wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xdc9f…905bbacked Pistons50c500$250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$249.9562539.4%246 W · 379 L-18.0wins-0.03per pick42cpaid-6.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x5d9e…e0e3backed Nets51c490.16$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$240.1854549.5%270 W · 275 L-5.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-9.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf588…2b81backed Nets43c469.65$203 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$266.4440243.8%176 W · 226 L-3.5wins-0.01per pick45cpaid-12.1%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x889c…e375backed Nets52c446.15$232 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$214.1550954.8%279 W · 230 L+14.8wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+5.1%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x32ed…f960backed Nets41c390.46$159 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$231.442,94951.5%1,519 W · 1,430 L+119.4wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+3.7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x099f…c1e1backed Pistons46c386.08$178 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$177.655846.8%261 W · 297 L+8.0wins+0.01per pick45cpaid+2.9%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x0f8e…3082backed Nets54c335.13$180 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$155.122,20846.6%1,030 W · 1,178 L+42.7wins+0.02per pick45cpaid+2.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd947…9b61backed Pistons49c325$159 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$159.2528751.9%149 W · 138 L+6.1wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+6.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xf18a…e4e5backed Nets44c314.23$138 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$176.363,55146.8%1,663 W · 1,888 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6814…a9e7backed Nets51c312.2$160 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$152.033,66841.9%1,538 W · 2,130 L-70.7wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-15.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x01c7…e995backed Pistons46c280.17$128 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$128.343,90247.8%1,864 W · 2,038 L-17.9wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xc574…b9dabacked Nets36c277.78$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$177.786033.3%20 W · 40 L+3.3wins+0.05per pick28cpaid+59.6%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xf059…6dd9backed Nets54c246.3$133 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$113.349246.3%228 W · 264 L-15.2wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-6.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xc308…c3b9backed Pistons49c233.53$115 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$114.6331354.6%171 W · 142 L+10.2wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x5b49…1f54backed Pistons46c225$103 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$103.321353.8%7 W · 6 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick53cpaid-1.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0828…5cfebacked Pistons48c221.18$107 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$106.9417041.8%71 W · 99 L-11.5wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-21.2%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0x2a67…ef6bbacked Pistons48c215.99$104 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$103.6826756.2%150 W · 117 L+12.6wins+0.05per pick51cpaid+7.6%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x9b5f…3492backed Nets54c203.7$110 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$93.724856.5%140 W · 108 L-3.3wins-0.01per pick58cpaid-3.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xd62d…5992backed Pistons50c200.02$100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10037852.9%200 W · 178 L+8.9wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+4.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5124…91bbbacked Pistons43c200$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8635444.6%158 W · 196 L+1.7wins0.00per pick44cpaid+3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe722…57c5backed Nets55c191.32$105 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$86.0976552.9%405 W · 360 L-2.9wins0.00per pick53cpaid-2.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdbb9…ed8dbacked Pistons45c191$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85.952,73646.7%1,277 W · 1,459 L-67.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0xa528…2499backed Nets53c188.67$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$88.6783158.1%483 W · 348 L+18.3wins+0.02per pick56cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xbefe…2d45backed Nets55c182.15$100 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$82.157841%32 W · 46 L-9.0wins-0.12per pick53cpaid-30.4%equal weight40-0.09 edge/pick
0x02bc…1fd2backed Pistons48c179.99$86 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$86.2416141.6%67 W · 94 L-11.3wins-0.07per pick49cpaid-18.3%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xcfb5…f5ecbacked Nets54c164.89$89 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$75.8522048.6%107 W · 113 L-6.5wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-5.4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x05d3…c06abacked Pistons52c163.52$85 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$85.231,57353.4%840 W · 733 L-12.8wins-0.01per pick54cpaid-2.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe350…61f0backed Pistons49c162$79 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$79.384650%23 W · 23 L+0.9wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+1.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0307…7ab8backed Nets44c160.04$70 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$89.8645452%236 W · 218 L+11.9wins+0.03per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0xa028…0031backed Pistons49c153.49$75 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$75.3430654.6%167 W · 139 L+9.6wins+0.03per pick51cpaid+4.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xb0fd…e1f5backed Nets55c149.98$82 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.4949351.7%255 W · 238 L-4.1wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-1.2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc12c…b9fdbacked Nets35c145.71$51 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94.711827.8%5 W · 13 L-1.2wins-0.07per pick34cpaid-3.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1d94…9100backed Nets52c141.52$74 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$67.933,12044.7%1,394 W · 1,726 L-7.6wins0.00per pick45cpaid-3.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3abf…b143backed Nets49c137.6$67 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$70.8487744.7%392 W · 485 L-1.7wins0.00per pick45cpaid-13.1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6e88…980cbacked Nets52c125$65 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$601100%1 W · 0 L+0.5wins+0.48per pick52cpaid+92.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7ea5…de7bbacked Nets54c114.15$61 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$52.962,34648.7%1,142 W · 1,204 L-14.3wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-2.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xaf13…ed3dbacked Pistons76c109.61$83 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$83.3475%3 W · 1 L+0.8wins+0.21per pick54cpaid+60%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd454…b47fbacked Pistons46c106.67$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49.0727251.1%139 W · 133 L+2.5wins+0.01per pick50cpaid-0.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x0ee1…268bbacked Pistons47c104.47$49 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49.153453.4%285 W · 249 L+19.0wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+6.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 34 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.