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NHL · resolved market

Panthers vs. Rangers

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Rangersof Panthers, Rangers
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NHLevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$767,451
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$833,553

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $767,451 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 755 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NHL is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NHL
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0x03e8…1697backed Rangers61c170,173$104,218 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$65,954.7167051%342 W · 328 L+9.3wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+3.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xb45a…192cbacked Panthers38c100,914$38,338 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$38,338.0822443.8%98 W · 126 L-5.3wins-0.02per pick46cpaid-6.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1925…4654backed Rangers58c59,864$34,721 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$25,142.9211644.8%52 W · 64 L+1.3wins+0.01per pick44cpaid-4.1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x83d2…d196backed Rangers62c58,628$36,349 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$22,278.583100%3 W · 0 L+1.2wins+0.40per pick60cpaid+67.1%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x5bec…b215backed Rangers61c43,980$26,828 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$17,152.3816442.7%70 W · 94 L-3.8wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-6.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd106…c79cbacked Panthers39c32,284$12,725 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,725.3261950.1%310 W · 309 L-7.6wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-2%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xec7e…5fddbacked Panthers39c31,845$12,454 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$12,454.383951.3%20 W · 19 L-0.1wins0.00per pick52cpaid-5.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3a65…9142backed Rangers60c20,000$12,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$8,0002166.7%14 W · 7 L+1.9wins+0.09per pick58cpaid+8.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xaa07…2125backed Panthers38c20,000$7,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,6001,07049.9%534 W · 536 L+22.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+3.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xa710…23c4backed Rangers60c19,956$11,974 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$7,982.5615054.7%82 W · 68 L-0.8wins-0.01per pick55cpaid-0.1%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xc660…bd28backed Panthers38c18,200$6,916 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,91648549.7%241 W · 244 L+3.7wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5be5…5741backed Panthers42c16,782$7,048 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,048.441838.9%7 W · 11 L-1.3wins-0.07per pick46cpaid-17.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x9f13…e0fdbacked Panthers37c13,666$5,100 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,099.9247951.4%246 W · 233 L-5.6wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-2.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x21f3…35e3backed Panthers38c13,489$5,146 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,145.5259450.8%302 W · 292 L+2.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6d3c…d294backed Panthers40c12,044$4,860 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,860.41,55551.4%800 W · 755 L+12.2wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+1.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe4fc…8af7backed Panthers41c9,600$3,888 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,88860249.5%298 W · 304 L-5.5wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-1.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x2f5b…e747backed Panthers41c9,598$3,917 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,917.2243548.5%211 W · 224 L-7.4wins-0.02per pick50cpaid-3.4%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xd48a…6e90backed Rangers71c9,563$6,771 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,791.9685250.2%428 W · 424 L-26.2wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-6.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1418…6fefbacked Panthers41c9,000$3,690 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,689.9927850.4%140 W · 138 L+1.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid+1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x648d…1366backed Panthers39c8,713$3,398 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,398.02425%1 W · 3 L-0.7wins-0.19per pick44cpaid-56.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x47f8…6699backed Rangers62c8,713$5,402 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,310.88475%3 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.18per pick57cpaid+22.1%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x6ff9…a78bbacked Panthers40c8,382$3,353 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,352.756262.9%39 W · 23 L+5.6wins+0.09per pick54cpaid+12.6%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x1467…4372backed Rangers63c8,284$5,219 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,065.1332151.7%166 W · 155 L-1.5wins0.00per pick52cpaid+0.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x42b5…b5b6backed Rangers55c8,121$4,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$3,621.181,37749.1%676 W · 701 L+39.2wins+0.03per pick46cpaid+5.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xacae…6798backed Panthers41c7,826$3,209 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,208.693850%19 W · 19 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xead1…c76abacked Rangers62c7,636$4,699 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,936.871,43450.8%728 W · 706 L-10.7wins-0.01per pick52cpaid-1.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe790…eadcbacked Panthers40c7,105$2,810 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,809.827448.9%134 W · 140 L-6.4wins-0.02per pick51cpaid-13.9%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x99e4…e4c4backed Panthers45c6,918$3,093 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,092.9510938.5%42 W · 67 L-9.2wins-0.08per pick47cpaid-20.2%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0xe3a8…06d9backed Panthers42c6,880$2,890 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,889.62035%7 W · 13 L-1.2wins-0.06per pick41cpaid-17.6%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x7d80…ba3dbacked Panthers37c6,770$2,528 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,528.222470.8%17 W · 7 L+3.1wins+0.13per pick58cpaid+25.4%equal weight57+0.06 edge/pick
0x6a72…33eebacked Rangers64c6,637$4,225 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,412.11,34554.8%737 W · 608 L+21.0wins+0.02per pick53cpaid-1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x39d3…9ef0backed Panthers40c6,533$2,582 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,581.7318641.9%78 W · 108 L-8.5wins-0.05per pick47cpaid-11.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x8996…fbcebacked Panthers40c6,395$2,558 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,5585743.9%25 W · 32 L-0.1wins0.00per pick44cpaid-10%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe998…b7f0backed Panthers42c5,992$2,517 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,516.512846.4%13 W · 15 L+0.7wins+0.02per pick44cpaid-1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Panthers40c5,823$2,314 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,313.662,66451.6%1,375 W · 1,289 L+58.0wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x92fc…2f25backed Panthers42c5,817$2,443 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,442.951353.8%7 W · 6 L+0.7wins+0.06per pick48cpaid+14.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x0a77…9d74backed Panthers38c5,263$2,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,999.9452050%260 W · 260 L+6.8wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+3.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xc65c…ea39backed Rangers62c5,186$3,215 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,970.698657%49 W · 37 L+2.0wins+0.02per pick55cpaid+7.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xba69…8e9dbacked Rangers55c5,000$2,737 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,263.5450%2 W · 2 L0.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid+6.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4c25…c3bebacked Panthers39c5,000$1,950 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,949.9924945.4%113 W · 136 L-16.4wins-0.07per pick52cpaid-11.9%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xf68a…5b1bbacked Panthers37c5,000$1,850 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,849.911,44149.2%709 W · 732 L+6.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid+0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xf988…d63bbacked Panthers40c4,960$1,984 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,9845149%25 W · 26 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-10.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xef23…5b60backed Panthers38c4,865$1,849 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,848.5464242.2%271 W · 371 L-6.1wins-0.01per pick43cpaid-4.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xe7a2…ae70backed Panthers41c4,740$1,943 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,943.412047.5%57 W · 63 L-1.7wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-5.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xa315…cabbbacked Panthers41c4,740$1,943 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,943.3932251.9%167 W · 155 L+4.4wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+4.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbce9…03e9backed Panthers0c4,650$12 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$122504.8%12 W · 238 L+6.2wins+0.02per pick2cpaid+159.7%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x9d94…017dbacked Panthers16c4,314$676 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$675.9389636.9%331 W · 565 L-30.9wins-0.03per pick40cpaid-26.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x3fbd…c4e4backed Panthers44c4,180$1,839 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,839.1913850.7%70 W · 68 L+5.4wins+0.04per pick47cpaid+3.9%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xa10e…4ea1backed Panthers40c4,172$1,667 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,667.194143.9%18 W · 23 L+1.8wins+0.05per pick39cpaid+21.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd267…9dc6backed Panthers40c4,150$1,660 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,6607659.2%45 W · 31 L+7.9wins+0.10per pick49cpaid+29.4%equal weight59+0.08 edge/pick
0x7b47…d615backed Panthers38c4,085$1,541 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,541.3519353.9%104 W · 89 L+7.1wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+6.5%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xe2bb…ea55backed Panthers40c4,000$1,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,60027547.6%131 W · 144 L+0.5wins0.00per pick47cpaid+0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xc88b…af8bbacked Panthers40c3,984$1,594 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,593.6650%3 W · 3 L+0.3wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+30.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xdbbd…d6f0backed Rangers60c3,951$2,370 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,581.172060%12 W · 8 L+2.9wins+0.15per pick45cpaid+33%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x039c…b202backed Panthers40c3,810$1,524 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,5244738.3%18 W · 29 L-0.6wins-0.01per pick40cpaid-2.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6814…a9e7backed Panthers24c3,618$871 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$871.472,75447.9%1,318 W · 1,436 L+11.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x021c…232fbacked Rangers63c3,600$2,268 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,3324555.6%25 W · 20 L+1.8wins+0.04per pick52cpaid+5.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x2652…2a1dbacked Rangers71c3,477$2,465 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,011.71,67954.4%914 W · 765 L+36.6wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x344b…f7fcbacked Panthers39c3,402$1,316 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,316.1327739.4%109 W · 168 L-13.5wins-0.05per pick44cpaid-21.2%equal weight45-0.04 edge/pick
0x3bcf…dc5cbacked Panthers38c3,240$1,231 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,231.21662.5%10 W · 6 L+1.7wins+0.11per pick52cpaid+27%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x1974…edc9backed Panthers41c3,205$1,314 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,313.86875%6 W · 2 L+2.2wins+0.28per pick47cpaid+68.8%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x8c58…e330backed Panthers43c3,103$1,322 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,322.0742254.3%229 W · 193 L+18.3wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+5.4%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x3c7e…a65fbacked Panthers26c3,100$802 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$801.5960337.5%226 W · 377 L-3.4wins-0.01per pick38cpaid-8.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xca5e…4af1backed Panthers44c3,061$1,347 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,346.841250%6 W · 6 L+0.3wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+2.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x7dbc…d333backed Rangers59c3,047$1,798 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,249.19475%3 W · 1 L+0.7wins+0.18per pick57cpaid+42.2%equal weight53+0.02 edge/pick
0x2d3d…a46fbacked Rangers59c2,946$1,738 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,207.98366.7%2 W · 1 L+0.4wins+0.13per pick53cpaid+16%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Panthers34c2,927$992 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$992.251,30152.6%684 W · 617 L+23.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid-6.4%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x7edb…7993backed Panthers37c2,890$1,072 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,072.3227037.4%101 W · 169 L-11.6wins-0.04per pick42cpaid-33.4%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0xc3e7…68d2backed Panthers46c2,813$1,294 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,294.191533.3%5 W · 10 L-2.1wins-0.14per pick47cpaid-31.5%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xd1ae…035cbacked Panthers41c2,789$1,143 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,143.33825%2 W · 6 L-2.0wins-0.24per pick49cpaid-54.3%equal weight43-0.06 edge/pick
0xebc7…4003backed Rangers56c2,778$1,556 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,222.2711553%61 W · 54 L+5.2wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+7%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xa557…6e77backed Panthers42c2,729$1,146 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,1461050%5 W · 5 L+0.1wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa697…59d5backed Rangers59c2,600$1,546 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,053.9676950.3%387 W · 382 L+1.2wins0.00per pick50cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe4c1…5177backed Rangers60c2,512$1,500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,011.6922.2%2 W · 7 L-2.7wins-0.30per pick52cpaid-59.8%equal weight41-0.08 edge/pick
0xb7b3…9573backed Panthers52c2,299$1,200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,199.5619645.9%90 W · 106 L-4.9wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-1.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x2eed…85a9backed Panthers43c2,250$968 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$967.57358.9%43 W · 30 L+4.1wins+0.06per pick53cpaid+14%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xbad2…5296backed Panthers38c2,222$844 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$844.3689249.9%445 W · 447 L+10.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xe648…b79abacked Panthers40c2,190$876 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8765855.2%32 W · 26 L+3.0wins+0.05per pick50cpaid+9.9%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0x3b89…1069backed Panthers45c2,116$961 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$960.9728.6%2 W · 5 L-1.0wins-0.14per pick42cpaid-32.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x49fa…f904backed Panthers45c2,100$943 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$942.753636.1%13 W · 23 L-2.0wins-0.06per pick42cpaid-19%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xaabb…5554backed Panthers41c2,000$815 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81545749.2%225 W · 232 L-5.2wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc463…9a2fbacked Panthers41c2,000$820 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$82026750.2%134 W · 133 L-2.4wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-2.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xbd09…a188backed Panthers16c2,000$320 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$32061748.5%299 W · 318 L+0.4wins0.00per pick48cpaid0%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x4b49…0397backed Panthers42c2,000$840 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$839.9420450%102 W · 102 L-4.5wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-5.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x685d…22d6backed Panthers43c1,960$843 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$842.6612552%65 W · 60 L-0.9wins-0.01per pick53cpaid-3.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x1df2…89a0backed Panthers25c1,959$496 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$496.2533234.3%114 W · 218 L-4.7wins-0.01per pick36cpaid-24.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6076…b218backed Panthers44c1,953$859 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$859.33922.2%2 W · 7 L-1.8wins-0.20per pick42cpaid-50.4%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xf641…7b6fbacked Rangers79c1,885$1,497 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$387.6552172.6%378 W · 143 L+36.7wins+0.07per pick66cpaid+9.9%equal weight57+0.07 edge/pick
0x2b46…684dbacked Rangers53c1,862$990 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$872.483751.4%19 W · 18 L-1.1wins-0.03per pick54cpaid-8%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x8288…f291backed Rangers59c1,861$1,098 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$763.19520%1 W · 4 L-1.5wins-0.31per pick51cpaid-66.1%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0x0822…c976backed Panthers42c1,835$771 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$770.89540%2 W · 3 L-0.3wins-0.06per pick46cpaid-7.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6185…2965backed Panthers42c1,740$736 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$736.53450%17 W · 17 L+0.6wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+6.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xbe8e…c44abacked Panthers42c1,636$687 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$687.03742.9%3 W · 4 L-0.7wins-0.10per pick53cpaid-25.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x5b1c…8895backed Rangers59c1,610$950 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$660.024100%4 W · 0 L+2.0wins+0.51per pick49cpaid+106.7%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0x2586…c893backed Rangers59c1,500$885 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$61583652.8%441 W · 395 L+28.9wins+0.03per pick49cpaid+7.2%equal weight54+0.03 edge/pick
0xe401…7b88backed Rangers58c1,402$814 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$587.943,70450.5%1,871 W · 1,833 L+105.5wins+0.03per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0133…64bcbacked Rangers73c1,376$1,011 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$365.45540%2 W · 3 L-1.4wins-0.29per pick69cpaid-42.9%equal weight45-0.05 edge/pick
0xe2bb…2b4ebacked Rangers59c1,368$813 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$554.63450%2 W · 2 L-0.1wins-0.03per pick53cpaid-9.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0b45…ac9fbacked Panthers37c1,289$480 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$479.813343.6%58 W · 75 L-4.9wins-0.04per pick47cpaid-16.3%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x63ad…790cbacked Panthers44c1,140$503 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$503.23944.4%4 W · 5 L-0.4wins-0.04per pick49cpaid-12.3%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NHL and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 6 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.