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NBA · resolved market

Spread: Cavaliers (-3.5)

Rebuilt .

What this market resolved to

Winning outcome
Thunderof Cavaliers, Thunder
Resolved
US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in
Scored in
NBAevery record on this page is that Category’s
Volume Polymarket published
$230,036
Volume TailMyPicks’s own read summed
$228,296

Both are shown because TailMyPicks only trusts a market it can reconcile: it reads every trade itself and compares its own total against the venue’s before scoring anything. The threshold below was applied to $230,036 the venue’s figure.

Every figure here describes what TailMyPicks scored — positions held to resolution in markets that cleared the thresholds below. It is not a Polymarket account balance, and open positions are not counted anywhere on this site.

Who was on this market

The 100 largest positions, of 140 wallets holding a qualified pick here — biggest first. This page details 100 at most, and the number beside it is the real one. Ordered by position size rather than by score, because this is a post-mortem of one market — a strong wallet’s small pick does not belong above a large committed one. Each wallet’s record in NBA is on its own row, so one correct call here is not mistaken for a track record.

On this marketThis wallet’s whole record in NBA
WalletEntryPositionResultP/L heldQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
0xdc87…7ab6backed Thunder47c90,137$42,325 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$47,812.32,66648%1,279 W · 1,387 L-8.2wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xdb27…c56ebacked Thunder48c59,180$28,406 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$30,773.6387144.7%389 W · 482 L+14.9wins+0.02per pick43cpaid+5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8dbf…53bebacked Cavaliers53c34,483$18,276 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$18,275.971637.5%6 W · 10 L-2.0wins-0.13per pick50cpaid-24.4%equal weight44-0.05 edge/pick
0xada5…db70backed Cavaliers51c15,640$8,054 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$8,054.1851354.2%278 W · 235 L+9.2wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+3.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd106…c79cbacked Cavaliers52c14,987$7,799 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$7,798.614,78150.5%2,414 W · 2,367 L+20.7wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3619…a62fbacked Cavaliers52c11,477$5,968 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5,9681353.8%7 W · 6 L+0.9wins+0.07per pick47cpaid+19.6%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x3280…ea74backed Cavaliers53c11,320$6,000 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$6,0009531.6%30 W · 65 L-11.6wins-0.12per pick44cpaid-26.2%equal weight39-0.10 edge/pick
0x008b…0d01backed Cavaliers52c8,173$4,250 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,25040%0 W · 4 L-2.0wins-0.51per pick51cpaid-100%equal weight42-0.07 edge/pick
0x021c…232fbacked Cavaliers53c8,100$4,293 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$4,29312056.7%68 W · 52 L+5.7wins+0.05per pick52cpaid+8.5%equal weight54+0.04 edge/pick
0xe5ef…9e7abacked Cavaliers50c6,247$3,124 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3,123.5825248.4%122 W · 130 L+5.7wins+0.02per pick46cpaid+3.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd48a…6e90backed Cavaliers52c5,192$2,700 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,7001,91054.3%1,038 W · 872 L+25.2wins+0.01per pick53cpaid+1.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xecfc…cd05backed Cavaliers53c5,086$2,674 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,674.451,16352.8%614 W · 549 L+22.4wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8f03…64d6backed Cavaliers52c5,000$2,600 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,599.991,04651.1%534 W · 512 L-0.7wins0.00per pick51cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa6a8…5009backed Thunder54c4,210$2,278 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,931.53,99548.9%1,952 W · 2,043 L+101.9wins+0.03per pick46cpaid-1.8%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xd6a3…9489backed Cavaliers46c4,139$1,905 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,904.774,87848%2,341 W · 2,537 L+61.9wins+0.01per pick47cpaid-1%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xee9f…b134backed Thunder49c4,122$2,020 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$2,102.382030%6 W · 14 L-3.8wins-0.19per pick49cpaid-37.1%equal weight41-0.09 edge/pick
0x6ade…f5b0backed Cavaliers53c4,000$2,120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,1201,55652.8%822 W · 734 L+40.9wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+10.9%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x8cc7…0602backed Cavaliers53c3,898$2,066 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$2,065.729352.7%49 W · 44 L+0.2wins0.00per pick52cpaid-0.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xee61…debfbacked Cavaliers51c3,681$1,893 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,893.239,72249.4%4,805 W · 4,917 L-2.8wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x617b…a499backed Cavaliers53c3,000$1,590 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,59087750.2%440 W · 437 L-19.7wins-0.02per pick52cpaid-5.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3a91…1769backed Cavaliers52c2,668$1,387 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,387.432150.8%163 W · 158 L+5.3wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+3.3%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x5083…9cbdbacked Cavaliers51c2,238$1,141 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,141.481040%4 W · 6 L-0.1wins-0.01per pick41cpaid-21.9%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x57b1…4b99backed Thunder47c2,128$1,000 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1,127.6510847.2%51 W · 57 L-3.6wins-0.03per pick51cpaid-7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x10d4…69ebbacked Cavaliers53c2,000$1,060 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,06062948.6%306 W · 323 L+4.2wins+0.01per pick48cpaid-2.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x6d8f…2999backed Cavaliers51c1,963$1,001 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,001650%3 W · 3 L-0.1wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-3.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6557…0999backed Cavaliers54c1,882$1,016 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$1,016.2813946.8%65 W · 74 L+1.1wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-4.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x4a86…d3e0backed Thunder47c1,686$788 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$897.233,28549.1%1,613 W · 1,672 L+5.3wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x3de6…405cbacked Cavaliers52c1,578$824 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$82443453.2%231 W · 203 L+6.7wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.01 edge/pick
0xe071…2d1abacked Cavaliers54c1,500$810 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$81048957.5%281 W · 208 L+2.4wins0.00per pick57cpaid+2.2%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x253d…aa62backed Cavaliers52c1,455$757 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$756.758347%274 W · 309 L-12.5wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.2%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x1624…bf63backed Cavaliers10c1,397$145 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$145.0783039.4%327 W · 503 L+6.3wins+0.01per pick39cpaid-20.5%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xc617…a854backed Thunder48c1,389$666 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$722.0342648.1%205 W · 221 L-5.1wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-2.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x7ea5…de7bbacked Cavaliers54c1,246$668 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$667.512,34648.7%1,142 W · 1,204 L-14.3wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-2.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x6ac5…4b6ebacked Thunder48c1,235$598 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$636.934,68249.6%2,324 W · 2,358 L+27.2wins+0.01per pick49cpaid+0.8%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x85d5…bbf0backed Cavaliers52c1,092$563 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$562.6624138.6%93 W · 148 L-5.2wins-0.02per pick41cpaid-14.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x7430…3af2backed Thunder50c1,000$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50026149.4%129 W · 132 L-3.0wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-5.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xf630…7e65backed Thunder50c1,000$500 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$50029149.5%144 W · 147 L+1.4wins0.00per pick49cpaid+0.5%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x0c94…a43bbacked Cavaliers54c989.55$534 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$534.3651146.6%238 W · 273 L-13.7wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-5.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa5a9…45ffbacked Cavaliers53c935.25$496 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$495.6823850%119 W · 119 L+1.0wins0.00per pick50cpaid+0.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x204f…5e14backed Thunder56c897.95$499 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$399.218,98847.5%4,268 W · 4,720 L+96.4wins+0.01per pick46cpaid-5.4%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa1f3…d99cbacked Thunder47c851.06$400 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$451.0648546.4%225 W · 260 L-14.6wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-6.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x4df3…788fbacked Thunder47c834$394 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$440.396,21350.6%3,142 W · 3,071 L+53.8wins+0.01per pick50cpaid+1.6%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x5487…a014backed Thunder47c791$372 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$419.231,66752.7%878 W · 789 L+45.5wins+0.03per pick50cpaid+3.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x00f5…7b42backed Cavaliers54c742.81$401 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$401.123043.3%13 W · 17 L-1.6wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-4%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0xa42a…d91fbacked Cavaliers52c658.85$343 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$342.662347.5%296 W · 327 L-17.3wins-0.03per pick50cpaid-6.1%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x0c84…a8edbacked Thunder49c612.24$300 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$312.2434854%188 W · 160 L+15.4wins+0.04per pick50cpaid+8.5%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x2f2b…0f9abacked Thunder49c606.12$297 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$309.1271449.3%352 W · 362 L+2.0wins0.00per pick49cpaid+0.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x507e…beaebacked Thunder46c584.92$272 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$313.345,05350.9%2,570 W · 2,483 L+110.9wins+0.02per pick49cpaid+2.2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xdbb9…ed8dbacked Thunder46c543.48$250 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$293.482,73646.7%1,277 W · 1,459 L-67.4wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.9%equal weight47-0.02 edge/pick
0x01c7…e995backed Thunder47c516.35$242 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$274.023,90247.8%1,864 W · 2,038 L-17.9wins0.00per pick48cpaid-1.1%equal weight490.00 edge/pick
0xaccb…61dcbacked Cavaliers53c487.4$258 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$258.323171%22 W · 9 L+5.1wins+0.16per pick55cpaid+33.9%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
0x21f3…35e3backed Thunder47c463.13$218 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$245.462,50748.6%1,219 W · 1,288 L+19.8wins+0.01per pick48cpaid+0.7%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0x64db…325bbacked Thunder47c425.53$200 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$225.531,25948.7%613 W · 646 L+1.5wins0.00per pick49cpaid-0.2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x6814…a9e7backed Cavaliers30c401.2$120 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$120.313,66841.9%1,538 W · 2,130 L-70.7wins-0.02per pick44cpaid-15.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0xf213…a627backed Cavaliers52c384.62$200 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$20020237.1%75 W · 127 L-1.4wins-0.01per pick38cpaid-3.5%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x4592…49b6backed Cavaliers51c376.98$192 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$192.261442.9%6 W · 8 L-1.1wins-0.08per pick51cpaid-15.9%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x1cdc…2454backed Thunder49c376.23$184 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$191.882365.2%15 W · 8 L+3.4wins+0.15per pick51cpaid+31.8%equal weight58+0.07 edge/pick
0xf18a…e4e5backed Cavaliers25c305.96$77 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$77.173,55146.8%1,663 W · 1,888 L+1.9wins0.00per pick47cpaid-6.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x8cbb…acb2backed Cavaliers53c300$159 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15989050.4%449 W · 441 L+4.4wins0.00per pick50cpaid+1.3%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0xcc63…f1c7backed Cavaliers53c300$159 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$15950653.2%269 W · 237 L+8.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+5.1%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x9d55…7bc7backed Thunder48c299.99$143 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$15791148.1%438 W · 473 L-11.6wins-0.01per pick49cpaid-2.4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xb0cb…85babacked Cavaliers52c299.93$156 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$155.9752242.7%223 W · 299 L-1.3wins0.00per pick43cpaid-2%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x1b73…45d9backed Thunder49c211.8$104 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$108.0234342.9%147 W · 196 L-6.1wins-0.02per pick45cpaid-5.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x9c76…c926backed Thunder47c200$94 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$1062,65749.6%1,319 W · 1,338 L+42.1wins+0.02per pick48cpaid+3.5%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x4f43…c0c2backed Cavaliers52c200$104 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$10423435.9%84 W · 150 L-9.7wins-0.04per pick40cpaid-16.7%equal weight46-0.04 edge/pick
0x6d3c…d294backed Thunder48c183.15$88 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$94.714,32547%2,031 W · 2,294 L-69.5wins-0.02per pick49cpaid-4.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x3dcf…4eb4backed Thunder47c170.21$80 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$90.2187453.3%466 W · 408 L+19.7wins+0.02per pick51cpaid+3.7%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x65d8…bac6backed Thunder49c160.16$78 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$81.6838350.4%193 W · 190 L+12.5wins+0.03per pick47cpaid+6.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x391d…2e45backed Thunder48c134.15$65 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$69.158456%47 W · 37 L+5.9wins+0.07per pick49cpaid+17.2%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6341…8387backed Cavaliers27c126.88$35 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$34.87450%2 W · 2 L0.0wins+0.01per pick49cpaid-29.8%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x11f2…a7a0backed Cavaliers54c118.44$64 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$63.9619050.5%96 W · 94 L-1.3wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-4.7%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x711a…9240backed Cavaliers53c113.19$60 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$59.9940849%200 W · 208 L-12.8wins-0.03per pick52cpaid-5.8%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x051b…09d4backed Cavaliers52c107.69$56 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5645651.1%233 W · 223 L+2.3wins+0.01per pick51cpaid-0.3%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x8c16…4b37backed Cavaliers50c100.34$51 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50.6729352.6%154 W · 139 L+14.1wins+0.05per pick48cpaid+26%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0x2cec…5326backed Thunder47c100$47 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$53.568645.5%312 W · 374 L-22.9wins-0.03per pick49cpaid-7.9%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x204e…55eabacked Cavaliers51c99.96$51 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$50.988552.9%45 W · 40 L+5.7wins+0.07per pick46cpaid+12.9%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6008…a80bbacked Cavaliers51c98$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$49.982,60250.6%1,316 W · 1,286 L-20.7wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.9%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x33c9…5124backed Cavaliers52c96.15$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5050351.5%259 W · 244 L-1.0wins0.00per pick52cpaid-2.7%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xe02f…3d4cbacked Cavaliers52c96.15$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$509545.3%43 W · 52 L-4.0wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-15%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0xae4d…fc45backed Cavaliers52c96.15$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$5011626.7%31 W · 85 L-16.8wins-0.15per pick41cpaid-36.2%equal weight37-0.12 edge/pick
0xdc86…7e77backed Thunder48c95.07$45 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$49.6692750.6%469 W · 458 L-1.8wins0.00per pick51cpaid-3.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa4bd…e8a2backed Cavaliers36c94.4$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.761,78653.2%950 W · 836 L+52.7wins+0.03per pick50cpaid-0.5%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0x0c61…4fa6backed Cavaliers53c94.34$50 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$507057.1%40 W · 30 L+5.1wins+0.07per pick50cpaid+15.5%equal weight56+0.05 edge/pick
0x6fad…374cbacked Thunder49c81.14$40 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$41.3818644.1%82 W · 104 L-0.4wins0.00per pick44cpaid-4.3%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0xa3cb…ef82backed Cavaliers41c80$33 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$32.84825%12 W · 36 L-1.4wins-0.03per pick28cpaid-25.1%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
0x86d9…b214backed Cavaliers53c80$42 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$42.421854.6%119 W · 99 L+5.0wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+4.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xfe97…89e1backed Cavaliers49c79.62$39 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3928251.8%146 W · 136 L+5.5wins+0.02per pick50cpaid+2%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xd155…8250backed Thunder48c78.58$38 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$40.8648852%254 W · 234 L+5.1wins+0.01per pick51cpaid+0.9%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
0xa07d…a037backed Cavaliers31c76.24$24 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$23.551,28323.4%300 W · 983 L-178.2wins-0.14per pick37cpaid-40.2%equal weight35-0.14 edge/pick
0xa3cc…c029backed Thunder49c71$35 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$36.2116250%81 W · 81 L+8.1wins+0.05per pick45cpaid+4.9%equal weight55+0.04 edge/pick
0xe363…c894backed Thunder47c70$33 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$37.13545.7%16 W · 19 L-0.6wins-0.02per pick48cpaid-4%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0xc291…5d74backed Cavaliers40c65.05$26 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$26.251,63341.2%672 W · 961 L+26.3wins+0.02per pick40cpaid-3.8%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0xec55…6870backed Cavaliers53c64$34 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$33.924443.2%19 W · 25 L-2.3wins-0.05per pick49cpaid-17.1%equal weight46-0.03 edge/pick
0x1d23…b5a2backed Thunder48c62.5$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$32.58946.1%41 W · 48 L-3.4wins-0.04per pick50cpaid-10.2%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
0x2b78…c6b5backed Thunder49c61.39$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$31.381,19748.9%585 W · 612 L-14.8wins-0.01per pick50cpaid-4.6%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick
0x0da3…1b45backed Thunder49c61.22$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$31.2222249.5%110 W · 112 L+0.4wins0.00per pick49cpaid-1.6%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
0x35b8…898abacked Cavaliers51c59.63$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$30.418754%47 W · 40 L+1.8wins+0.02per pick52cpaid+8.9%equal weight52+0.02 edge/pick
0x8eb7…d529backed Cavaliers51c58.82$30 inLost — open this pick on its own page-$3029351.9%152 W · 141 L+1.5wins0.00per pick51cpaid+0.8%equal weight510.00 edge/pick
0x7a30…37a6backed Thunder51c58.82$30 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$28.827855.1%43 W · 35 L+2.6wins+0.03per pick52cpaid+8.7%equal weight53+0.03 edge/pick
0xf9fa…222bbacked Thunder48c58.64$28 inWon — open this pick on its own page+$30.5218250%91 W · 91 L-2.4wins-0.01per pick51cpaid-1.8%equal weight49-0.01 edge/pick

Entry is the average price this wallet paid on the side it backed, so being right at 20c is distinguishable from being right at 95c. Position is what it was left holding in shares, with what it spent underneath. Result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody. P/L held is what that position would have been worth held to resolution — not cash the wallet withdrew, because selling early is still a correct forecast. The seven columns on the right describe the wallet’s whole record in NBA and say nothing about this market.

The rest of this event

Polymarket sells these questions together. 27 in all. TailMyPicks has no name for an event — the venue publishes an identifier and no title — so they are listed by their own questions.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.