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Wallet 0xae3f…defe

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Summary

Qualified picks
115
Categories scored
6
Categories below 50
4

Best Category: Valorant, grading 60 out of 100 (+0.09 per pick).

Best Category Valorant at 60 out of 100; worst CS2 at 47.

What is a Tail Score?

A mark out of 100, per Category. 50 means no edge at all — this wallet did about what the prices it paid implied it would. Above 50 it beat those prices; below 50 it did worse than them.

The scale does not move. 100 is a wallet beating the prices it paid by 0.45 per pick and 0 is losing to them by the same, on every wallet, on every page, in every month. So a grade you screenshot today still means what it meant when you took it, and two wallets can be put side by side.

Nobody reaches either end. Across every wallet TailMyPicks has scored, the marks run from roughly 5 to 87 — which is what a fixed ruler costs, and what buys the sentence above.

It is not a win rate. A wallet can win four Picks in five and still grade below 50, if the market was already pricing those outcomes at 90c — it paid for the wins rather than finding them. The vs expected and Avg entry columns below are what separate the two.

The mark is deliberately pulled toward 50 when there is little evidence. Three lucky Picks do not produce a high grade; several hundred consistent ones do. So a modest grade on thousands of Picks means something a high grade on twelve does not.

Because it is shrunk this way, a Category grade is a conservative reading. The headline figure for a wallet is its best Category, so it always understates how badly the wallet does in its worst one — which is why the table below is per Category and not one blended number.

Record by Category

Ordered by how much this wallet actually traded in each Category, not by score — so the Categories it plays most appear first whether they went well or badly. Open any row to see the picks its numbers were computed from — all of them.

CategoryQualified picksWin ratevs expectedRealizable edgeAvg entryROI per pickTail Score
Lol Inactivelast resolved Aug 2, 2026, EDT5752.6%30 W · 27 L+0.5wins+0.01per pick52cpaid+6.2%equal weight51+0.01 edge/pick
Lol — the 57 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in Lol, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
LoL: SK Gaming vs G2 Esports - Game 2 Winnerbacked SK Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)22c$506Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$505.99
LoL: KT Rolster vs Hanwha Life Esports - Game 1 Winnerbacked Hanwha Life Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)51c$925Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$925.5
LoL: LNG Esports vs Invictus Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked LNG Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)45c$450Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$450
LoL: ThunderTalk Gaming vs Team WE (BO3) - LPL Group Ascendbacked Team WE · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)43c$1,061Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT+132.6%+$1,407.01
LoL: ThunderTalk Gaming vs Team WE - Game 1 Winnerbacked Team WE · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)69c$897Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$897
LoL: Nongshim Red Force vs BNK FEARX (BO3) - LCK Round 3-4 Rise Groupbacked BNK FEARX · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)51c$200Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT-100%-$200
LoL: Nongshim Red Force vs BNK FEARX - Game 2 Winnerbacked BNK FEARX · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)50c$794Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+100%+$794.12
LoL: Anyone's Legend vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked Anyone's Legend · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)78c$494Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+28.2%+$139.25
LoL: Nongshim Red Force vs BNK FEARX - Game 1 Winnerbacked BNK FEARX · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)51c$615Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT-100%-$614.91
LoL: Movistar KOI vs Team Vitality (BO3) - LEC Regular Seasonbacked Movistar KOI · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)66c$490Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT-100%-$490.06
LoL: Movistar KOI vs Team Vitality - Game 2 Winnerbacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)30c$450Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+233.3%+$1,051.14
LoL: Anyone's Legend vs Bilibili Gaming (BO3) - LPL Group Ascendbacked Anyone's Legend · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)48c$722Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT-100%-$721.57
LoL: Movistar KOI vs Team Vitality - Game 1 Winnerbacked Movistar KOI · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)67c$985Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+49.3%+$485.02
LoL: Anyone's Legend vs Bilibili Gaming - Game 2 Winnerbacked Anyone's Legend · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)47c$349Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+112.8%+$393.71
LoL: Anyone's Legend vs Bilibili Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked Bilibili Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)57c$676Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+74.4%+$502.6
LoL: ThunderTalk Gaming vs EDward Gaming - Game 2 Winnerbacked EDward Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)49c$757Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT-100%-$757.41
LoL: ThunderTalk Gaming vs EDward Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked ThunderTalk Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)64c$500Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+56.3%+$281.25
LoL: LOUD vs paiN Gaming (BO3) - CBLOL Regular Seasonbacked LOUD · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)61c$384Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+63.9%+$245.46
LoL: Karmine Corp vs Movistar KOI - Game 2 Winnerbacked Movistar KOI · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)36c$289Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$289.07
LoL: Karmine Corp vs Movistar KOI - Game 1 Winnerbacked Movistar KOI · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)37c$300Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$300
LoL: Top Esports vs ThunderTalk Gaming (BO3) - LPL Group Ascendbacked ThunderTalk Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)36c$297Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$296.55
LoL: Team Vitality vs G2 Esports - Game 2 Winnerbacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)27c$236Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$235.65
LoL: Top Esports vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 2 Winnerbacked ThunderTalk Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)30c$946Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+233.3%+$2,207.57
LoL: Team Vitality vs G2 Esports - Game 1 Winnerbacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)28c$289Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$289.46
LoL: Top Esports vs ThunderTalk Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked Top Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)73c$1,572Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+37.1%+$582.86
Showing 25 of 57 picks, newest first.
Valorant Inactivelast resolved Aug 2, 2026, EDT3174.2%23 W · 8 L+4.9wins+0.16per pick58cpaid+34%equal weight60+0.09 edge/pick
Valorant — the 31 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in Valorant, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
Valorant: G2 Esports vs Sentinels - Map 1 Winnerbacked Sentinels · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)38c$950Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT+163.2%+$1,550
Valorant: Leviatán Esports vs NRG (BO3) - VCT Americas Stage 2 Group Alphabacked NRG · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)45c$27Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT+122.2%+$32.91
Valorant: Leviatán Esports vs NRG - Map 2 Winnerbacked Leviatán Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)60c$798Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT+66.7%+$532.32
Valorant: Leviatán Esports vs NRG - Map 1 Winnerbacked NRG · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)79c$604Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+26.7%+$161.17
Valorant: Team Envy vs FURIA Esports (BO3) - VCT Americas Stage 2 Group Alphabacked Team Envy · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)53c$780Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+90.1%+$702.74
Valorant: FULL SENSE vs Rex Regum Qeon (BO3) - VCT Pacific Group Alphabacked Rex Regum Qeon · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)46c$294Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+116.3%+$341.76
Valorant: Gen.G Esports vs Rex Regum Qeon - Map 2 Winnerbacked Gen.G Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)72c$496Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 26, 2026, EDT+39.6%+$196.38
Valorant: Eternal Fire vs GIANTX - Map 2 Winnerbacked Eternal Fire · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)66c$787Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT-100%-$786.75
Valorant: Pcific Esports vs Team Vitality - Map 2 Winnerbacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)66c$600Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+51.7%+$310.37
Map Handicap: 100T (-1.5) vs KRÜ Esports (+1.5)backed 100 Thieves · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)45c$977Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 24, 2026, EDT+122.2%+$1,194.49
Valorant: EDward Gaming vs All Gamers - Map 2 Winnerbacked All Gamers · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)64c$491Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 24, 2026, EDT-100%-$490.98
Valorant: DetonatioN FocusMe vs Paper Rex - Map 2 Winnerbacked Paper Rex · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)76c$229Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 24, 2026, EDT+31.2%+$71.43
Valorant: EDward Gaming vs All Gamers - Map 1 Winnerbacked All Gamers · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)52c$264Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 24, 2026, EDT-100%-$263.71
Valorant: Paper Rex vs T1 (BO3) - VCT Pacific Group Omegabacked Paper Rex · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)62c$413Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 18, 2026, EDT-100%-$412.52
Valorant: KRÜ Esports vs LOUD - Map 2 Winnerbacked LOUD · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)57c$170Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT+75.4%+$128.25
Valorant: Team Vitality vs Natus Vincere (BO3) - VCT EMEA Group Alphabacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)61c$584Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT+63.9%+$373.51
Valorant: Team Vitality vs Natus Vincere - Map 2 Winnerbacked Team Vitality · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)64c$392Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT+56.3%+$220.5
Valorant: Team Vitality vs Natus Vincere - Map 1 Winnerbacked Natus Vincere · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)43c$600Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT+132.6%+$795.35
Valorant: Karmine Corp vs Eternal Fire - Map 2 Winnerbacked Eternal Fire · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)58c$489Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT-100%-$488.98
Valorant: Fnatic vs GIANTX - Map 1 Winnerbacked Fnatic · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)67c$493Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 16, 2026, EDT+49.9%+$245.67
Valorant: 100 Thieves vs NRG - Map 4 Winnerbacked NRG · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)55c$507Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 12, 2026, EDT-100%-$507.11
Valorant: 100 Thieves vs NRG - Map 3 Winnerbacked NRG · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)52c$800Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 12, 2026, EDT+92.3%+$738.46
Valorant: 100 Thieves vs NRG - Map 2 Winnerbacked 100 Thieves · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)55c$785Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 12, 2026, EDT+81.5%+$639.41
Valorant: BBL Esports vs NRG - Map 2 Winnerbacked NRG · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)53c$183Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 11, 2026, EDT+88.7%+$162.28
Valorant: BBL Esports vs NRG - Map 1 Winnerbacked BBL Esports · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)67c$300Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 11, 2026, EDT+49.4%+$148.1
Showing 25 of 31 picks, newest first.
Dota2 Inactivelast resolved Jul 15, 2026, EDT1250%6 W · 6 L-0.8wins-0.07per pick57cpaid-21.7%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
Dota2 — the 12 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in Dota2, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
Dota 2: 1win vs Vici Gaming (BO3) - Esports World Cup Survivalbacked 1win · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)57c$600Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 15, 2026, EDT-100%-$600
Dota 2: Team Spirit vs Team Liquid (BO3) - Esports World Cup Survivalbacked Team Liquid · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)37c$188Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 15, 2026, EDT-100%-$188.1
Dota 2: Team Spirit vs Team Liquid - Game 2 Winnerbacked Team Liquid · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)66c$300Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 15, 2026, EDT+51.1%+$153.16
Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Xtreme Gaming (BO3) - Esports World Cup Survivalbacked Xtreme Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)46c$300Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 14, 2026, EDT-100%-$300
Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Xtreme Gaming - Game 2 Winnerbacked Team Liquid · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)59c$487Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 14, 2026, EDT+69.5%+$338.7
Dota 2: Team Liquid vs Xtreme Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked Team Liquid · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)59c$295Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 14, 2026, EDT-100%-$295.43
Dota 2: 1win vs Team Yandex - Game 2 Winnerbacked 1win · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)52c$529Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 12, 2026, EDT-100%-$529.38
Dota 2: Vici Gaming vs Team Spirit - Game 1 Winnerbacked Team Spirit · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)74c$167Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 9, 2026, EDT+35.2%+$58.61
Dota 2: MOUZ vs Team Nemesis - Game 1 Winnerbacked Team Nemesis · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)69c$135Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 9, 2026, EDT+45.8%+$61.64
Dota 2: L1ga Team vs PlayTime - Game 1 Winnerbacked L1ga Team · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)57c$397Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 8, 2026, EDT+75.4%+$299.49
Dota 2: GamerLegion vs Xtreme Gaming - Game 2 Winnerbacked GamerLegion · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)41c$127Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 8, 2026, EDT-100%-$127
Dota 2: GamerLegion vs Xtreme Gaming - Game 1 Winnerbacked Xtreme Gaming · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)62c$542Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 8, 2026, EDT+62%+$336.2
All 12 picks, newest first.
CS2 Inactivelast resolved Aug 2, 2026, EDT1050%5 W · 5 L-0.9wins-0.09per pick59cpaid-25.7%equal weight47-0.03 edge/pick
CS2 — the 10 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in CS2, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
Counter-Strike: Spirit vs MOUZ - Map 4 Winnerbacked Spirit · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)35c$962Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$961.93
Counter-Strike: Spirit vs MOUZ - Map 2 Winnerbacked MOUZ · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)51c$515Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT+94.2%+$485
Counter-Strike: Spirit vs MOUZ - Map 1 Winnerbacked Spirit · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)58c$580Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 2, 2026, EDT-100%-$579.99
Counter-Strike: Astralis vs MOUZ (BO3) - BLAST Bounty Playoffsbacked Astralis · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)55c$974Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT-100%-$973.94
Counter-Strike: Astralis vs MOUZ - Map 1 Winnerbacked MOUZ · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)55c$335Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT-100%-$335
Counter-Strike: FaZe vs Spirit (BO3) - BLAST Bounty Playoffsbacked FaZe · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)44c$485Lost — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT-100%-$485.49
Counter-Strike: FOKUS vs MOUZ - Map 2 Winnerbacked MOUZ · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)75c$293Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+33.8%+$99.25
Counter-Strike: DENDELE CS vs FaZe (BO3) - BLAST Bounty Qualifierbacked FaZe · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)73c$1,883Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 25, 2026, EDT+37%+$696.36
Counter-Strike: NIP vs Heroic (BO3) - Stake Ranked Episode 3 Playoffsbacked Heroic · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)73c$315Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 17, 2026, EDT+37%+$116.37
Counter-Strike: BetBoom Team vs Team Nemesis - Map 2 Winnerbacked BetBoom Team · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)71c$160Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 3, 2026, EDT+40.8%+$65.31
All 10 picks, newest first.
Fifa International Inactivelast resolved Jul 11, 2026, EDT333.3%1 W · 2 L-0.6wins-0.18per pick52cpaid-38.3%equal weight48-0.02 edge/pick
Fifa International — the 3 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in Fifa International, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
Argentina vs. Switzerland: Team to Advancebacked Switzerland · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)23c$191Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 11, 2026, EDT-100%-$191.45
Will Argentina win on 2026-07-11?backed Yes · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)78c$436Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 11, 2026, EDT-100%-$436.24
Canada vs. Morocco: O/U 1.5backed Over · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)54c$196Won — open this pick on its own pageJul 4, 2026, EDT+85.2%+$166.99
All 3 picks, newest first.
WNBA Inactivelast resolved Aug 1, 2026, EDT250%1 W · 1 L0.0wins-0.02per pick52cpaid+4.4%equal weight500.00 edge/pick
WNBA — the 2 picks behind this row

Every qualified pick this wallet made in WNBA, newest first — these are the picks the row above was computed from, not a sample of them. P/L held is what each pick would have been worth held to resolution, not cash this wallet withdrew. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in. A market name opens TailMyPicks’s own post-mortem of that market — who else was on it, and what they paid — and a result opens that one pick on a page of its own, which is the link to send somebody.

MarketEntrySizeResultResolvedReturnP/L held
Spread: Indiana Fever (-8.5)backed Indiana Fever · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)48c$395Won — open this pick on its own pageAug 1, 2026, EDT+108.9%+$430
Dallas Wings vs. Washington Mysticsbacked Dallas Wings · on Polymarket (opens in a new tab)57c$200Lost — open this pick on its own pageJul 31, 2026, EDT-100%-$200
All 2 picks, newest first.

vs expected is how many more (or fewer) Picks this wallet won than the prices it paid implied it would. It is the column that tells a real edge apart from a record bought by backing favourites. Realizable edge is what that comes to per Pick for somebody copying the wallet, after the cost of getting in behind it. Avg entry is the average price it paid, so a strong record built on heavy favourites shows as one. ROI per pick counts every Pick equally rather than by size, which is how a record earned across many Picks is told apart from one carried by a few large ones. Days are shown in US/Eastern, the zone Polymarket writes its markets in — an American night game settles after midnight UTC, so any other zone would name the day after the one it was played on. Inactive means nothing has resolved in that Category recently. The score is kept and the wallet stays reachable here; it only leaves the default leaderboard.

Not every trade counts. A Pick has to clear four thresholds to be scored.

TailMyPicks scores a wallet on what it can actually be judged on: positions held to resolution, in markets with enough volume to be real, at prices where being right was not already priced in.

  • The market traded at least $500.
  • The entry price was between 0.00 and 0.80 — a near-certainty is not a call.
  • The position was at least $10 — dust is not a position.
  • The market has resolved, so there is a right answer to grade against.

Thresholds behind these numbers: set by an operator decision, not measured.